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(Gloucestershire Echo)   Police tell drivers not to buy GPS gadget that warns them of speed traps   (gloucestershireecho.co.uk) divider line 82
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2002-09-07 07:54:29 AM
I always said it would be cool to have an invention in your car that emits a frequency or something that makes a law enforcement officer's radar gun explode in their hand if pointed at a car carrying one. THAT would be cool as you go flying past said law officer's car and he is rolling on the ground trying to extinguish his flaming hand.
 
2002-09-07 10:02:39 AM
Geee officer, thanks for the advice!
 
2002-09-07 10:02:58 AM
Yeah, that's all grat and all. But does it download BOOBIES?!!
 
2002-09-07 10:05:04 AM
Slayerswine has some serious issues with law enforcement.
 
2002-09-07 10:07:29 AM
Hopwfully slayer will have no issues with me becoming law enforcement ;-P

plus...i hate the radars...those damn things are so unpredictable and unreliable.....

there are ways of challenging the radar reading ;-P

M
 
2002-09-07 10:07:48 AM
Peter North also has serious issues with PIGS!
 
2002-09-07 10:08:41 AM
just kidding, I have a lady-cop arresting me fantasy


seriously, I got a ticket from a very hot nubian goddess
 
2002-09-07 10:09:26 AM
Police spokesman Steve Partridge said: "Gloucestershire police has an open policy about the placement of cameras and there are warning signs as to their locations...In general, the police would support any initiative which leads to more motorists driving within the speed limit."

So, then, what the fark is the police's problem? Phreakin' hypocrits, methinks.
 
2002-09-07 10:11:25 AM
I agree with Slayerswine. If I aimed a microwave radio transmitter at a person on purpose, they might have a problem with that, and it might be against the law, but when the cops do it, it's ok.

The thing that struck me was the cops saying their roads are clearly marked with the speed limits. Last time I was in the UK (2000) I didn't see any speed limit signs at all except for some electronic signs near Manchester. I was told that drivers were expected to know the limit based on the type of road they were driving on.
 
2002-09-07 10:13:07 AM
Yes, please don't buy a device which tells you where the government has revenue generating speed traps. Then we wouldn't be able to give you, you know, a speeding ticket. Instead you should do what we say, after all the goverenment knows better than you what you should be doing.
 
2002-09-07 10:16:42 AM
What a great product. I wish we would invent a invisible cloak for cars.
 
2002-09-07 10:16:53 AM
 
2002-09-07 10:17:33 AM
Yes, please don't buy a device which tells you where the government has revenue generating speed traps. Then we wouldn't be able to give you, you know, a speeding ticket, and save many lives, which speeding takes away, such as 3 of my friends, who were all victims of some other guy speeding. Instead you should do what we say, after all the goverenment knows better than you what you should be doing, and usually, that is the case, cos there are many idiots out there such as Weaps who act like wankers on the road.
 
2002-09-07 10:20:30 AM
Now if i could only learn how to spell....

damn that english minor of mine...no help at all ;-P
 
2002-09-07 10:30:45 AM
Come on folks. Traffic laws and the officers who enforce them are out there for a reason. Mainly to keep idiots who think speeding and driving like a maniac is just fine.
Excuse me while I slaughter my child now so the idiotic maniac drivers don't get to him first.
Maybe in other countries, speed limits are not needed. But in this country, where people want to drive AS FAST AS THEY CAN SO THEY CAN GET THERE 1 MINUTE EARLY, traffic laws and speed limits are needed.
Now, carry on.
 
2002-09-07 10:31:39 AM
Let me get this straight. THEY get to install hidden cameras, and hide out of sight in their cars with radar speed detectors. In short, they get to use stealth and technology to their advantage. But when the common citizen wants to use stealth OR technology, they cry foul.

I'm for levelling the playing field.
 
2002-09-07 10:33:07 AM
Hey, Swiss_Cheesman, all traffic cameras do is ticket you after the fact, not improve safety. Their primary purpose is to generate revenue for the government. Governments and the companies that make these devices always claim that they save lives and deter lawbreakers, but the statistics seldom bear that out.
 
2002-09-07 10:33:56 AM
Not in australia they dont, they actually have to be visible.

And levelling the playfield is stupid. Cmon, just slow the fark down, and you wont get a ticket! Its as simple as that!
 
2002-09-07 10:38:02 AM
Even though statistics still go up after some law is introduced doesnt mean it hasnt been effective. There may be other factors invloved. Because there hasnt been a complete downfall in speeding related accidents, doesnt mean that they havnt helped slow the rate of the accidents.

And in australia (or at least queensland) for speeding cameras to be operative, cops must be there, and fully visible to the road. In my opinion, they should use better stealth tactics.

Red lights on the other hand can have cameras fitted. This HAS WORKED, as it does scare people into not running red lights.
 
2002-09-07 10:38:59 AM
Id also like to add that tickets here are issued on the spot, almost all of the time.
 
2002-09-07 10:43:54 AM
hmm an exploding radar jammer... that should do it.
does anyone know if those anti photo that you put on the license plate works? it suppose to make the plate go so bright so you cannot see the numbers/letters on it.
 
2002-09-07 10:46:35 AM
Here we go again. The legendary traffic enforcement technology war. Next move is going to be the sneaky ambushes where they get you when you think your the safest and most carefree. This is a decades old game.

Their speed measuring devices will always change frequencies, their locations will always change, always to keep you alert. Can't have complacent drivers. The intelligent drivers are the ones that rarely get caught with their pants down on the side of the road. That's what this game is all about.

And about blowing up radar. A small TWT tube can transmit about a kilowatt. A radar gun horn antenna collects what it receives in a tiny resonant cavity with a pickup diode. Guess what happens when you put major wattage inside that tiny little chamber? Laser guns are the same way. They have very fine optics with large aperatures to capture the signal. This is necessary because background noise is a critical problem in nature. Focus the intensity of the sun through this magnifying glass onto its tiny phototransister? You know what happens. But if you get caught doing any of this, I'm sure the local prosecutors will be interested in spending enough time to relate the severity of the problems in federal court.

I used to design and build radar and laser guns as a possibility of bringing them to market. High startup costs and a barage of insanely lame patents killed the projects.
 
2002-09-07 10:56:08 AM
Ever notice how many drivers feel the need to slow down 10 mpr, when they see a cop, even thought they are already going the speed limit? On the other side of the coin, you have these assclowns that weave in and out of traffic at crazy speeds, and there never seems to be a cop around to pull them over. Radar cops aren't making roads any safer. People that speed, will always be that way, no matter how many tickets they get. Slow-pokes, will always drive slow. Speed traps are simply a way to generate money, plain and simple. "To serve and protect", my ass.....more like "to harass and collect."
 
2002-09-07 10:57:37 AM
ofcourse they do those silly police officers! *shake head as i pull up to radio shak*
 
2002-09-07 11:01:01 AM
Red lights on the other hand can have cameras fitted. This HAS WORKED, as it does scare people into not running red lights.

Rear-end crashes go up after red-light cameras go in.
The Red Light Running 'Crisis'
 
2002-09-07 11:01:36 AM
yeah, I always feel really harassed when asked to simply slow down so i dont splatter some kids blood all over my windshield.
 
2002-09-07 11:08:53 AM
When is that last time you saw a kid running down the highway?
 
2002-09-07 11:13:33 AM
Boog87,
you are the reason we need traffic laws.
 
2002-09-07 11:14:14 AM
Swiss_Cheeseman: I see you assume from my post that I speed. This is not the case. I drive a 10 year old Jeep Wrangler that weighs 2 tons and has a tired old 2.5l 4 cylinder to push it around. It can barely get out of it's own way. I don't speed because I can't.

My point wasn't that I would like one of these devices to flaunt safety measures enforced by the government. My point was that I don't like the government watching me for my own good. Having one of these devices could tell me where the government watch check points are so I could be on my *best* behavior. See, I'm an American so I consider things like video checkpoints to be the same as actual manned roadblocks to check up on the subjects. So like with those speedbumps which are referred so quaintly in the UK as a "sleeping policeman" we now have automated video speed traps which could be called "sleeping gestapo".

Oh, sorry about your friends. People die man.
 
2002-09-07 11:16:52 AM
Weaps-

Put your aluminum foil hat back on and go back inside. I think the contaminated air is getting to you.
 
2002-09-07 11:20:56 AM
Great. Just lovely to see we have the same retards in the US that gleefully piss away their freedom and privacy just like they did in the UK.
 
2002-09-07 11:32:10 AM
Bradth27 - Got it right here, size 7 1/2.
 
2002-09-07 11:33:39 AM
Bradth27:

Traffic laws and the officers who enforce them are out there for a reason. Mainly to keep idiots who think speeding and driving like a maniac is just fine.


My understanding is that accidents are primarily caused when there are speed differentials and intersections. Also, accidents happen frequently in malls and parking lots.

Nobody follows speed limits around here. When everyone is breaking the law, it's a stupid law. The limits are too low. What scientific study determined these speed limits? They're bogus!
 
2002-09-07 11:36:42 AM
boog- some kid in the backseat of a car then.
 
2002-09-07 11:38:15 AM
ArnoldLayne - In my opinion, speed limits are set too high.
 
2002-09-07 11:38:53 AM
The Gloucestershire cops not wanting people to buy a device that warns them of speed cameras doesn't make sense if the cameras are supposed to have a deterrent effect. If the cameras are supposed to deter people from speeding then the cops would want people to know where they are, and this device helps people know where the cameras are.

Since the cops apparently don't want people to be reminded where the cameras are, they are obviously interested in generating revenue through tickets or the far more important statistics which they can use to justify spending more tax money on policing.

This little gadget threatens the revenue stream, not safety. It's pretty unlikely that people are going to go even faster in those areas where there aren't cameras after they buy this thing, but they might be more likely to slow down when the thing beeps at them.
 
2002-09-07 11:45:03 AM
The device is notintended to have a deterrent effect by causing drivers to slow down where THEY KNOW the cameras are at. The camera works by letting the driver assume that the camera could be anywhere. If the drivers knew where the cameras were at, they would only avoid speeding in that particular area.
 
2002-09-07 11:45:27 AM
There are plenty speed limit signs in the UK... they're just all hidden in bushes :) seriously I saw some really bad ones today; the most camoflaged signs are usually followed by a speed camera a few yards afterwards - and they say that they're for safety rather than revenue...

As for being 'expected' to know what the limits are on different class roads, that's true - it's a fairly standard thing across europe, we are taught the limits in driving lessons, and for foreigners they are posted at the borders. Sure cuts down on the amount of signs needed, on motorways and the like. Usually for any limits lower than the standard ones on major roads (ie 60/70 in britain) there's normal signs posted up at fairly regular intervals. Because, well, people are stupid.

All the same, I'm gonna print Trib's limits page off and stick it in my rear window, and a reversed version on my bonnet. Too many seem to have forgotten what they are! Fairly simple... for cars, any divided highways are 70, rural roads 60, towns 30, anything else is posted.. duhhhhhhh

Problem is, much with what seems to be the american case, all the others often seem pretty randomly assigned. Somewhat pointless 60, 50 and 40 limits abound along certain major routes, slowing progress and creating massive jams and road rage. Grrrr!

For the record; held a steady 75 for about 100 miles today. Passed few cars, many trucks; was overtaken by many, many more!
 
2002-09-07 11:46:19 AM
Why am I on trail here? I have never cause an accident because I was driving too fast, let alone hit somebody. I have seen people going the speed limit, cause accident just by not paying attention. My whole point is, people are going to drive "their way" regardless of what tactics cops use. I live in Ohio, where the speed limit on most highways is 60. I know very few people that drive 60. It's not that low to keep things safe, it's just a way to write more tickets. When I was in Kansas, the speed limits around there were 70. I didn't see anymore accidents there, then in Ohio. Don't get me wrong, traffic cops have their place, I just don't think that place should be behind an over pass, hiding, and living off the public's wallet.
 
2002-09-07 11:46:53 AM
Try Blackspot.com


Interesting Technology.
 
2002-09-07 11:48:16 AM
Bradth27:
ArnoldLayne - In my opinion, speed limits are set too high.

Oh no no, they're definitely too low. :) I was glad when the interstate limits went up a few years ago.
 
2002-09-07 11:49:48 AM
The Gloucestershire cops not wanting people to buy a device that warns them of speed cameras doesn't make sense if the cameras are supposed to have a deterrent effect. If the cameras are supposed to deter people from speeding then the cops would want people to know where they are, and this device helps people know where the cameras are.



absolutely agree with you on that. funny how that works out.

money money money, not necessarily safety, safety, safety.
 
2002-09-07 12:03:26 PM
I got a ticket for running a red light on a road that has a speed limit of 55 MPH.

I have a serious problem with this. In some circumstances it is SAFER to go through the red light, especially in circumstances when your speed is high. I really don't think the cameras should be installed on roads with a speed limit of 45 or higher, it is just ridiculous.

I'd rather get a ticket then get rear ended.

I'm seriously thinking about getting this product.
http://www.photobuster.com/super_protector.htm

Anyone know if it actually works?
 
2002-09-07 12:04:12 PM
Link reposted

Photobuster
 
2002-09-07 12:11:55 PM
What i don't understand is , if the police have a problem with the device why don't they just shut down the manufacture ? Or ban it from the market ?
Putting the onus on the consumer is ridiculous .
If it wasn't available it wouln't be a problem , now would it .
 
2002-09-07 12:15:28 PM
Umm, because the police do not have the power to ban things?
 
2002-09-07 12:22:17 PM
ummmmmmmmm the police don't , but the government does .
Last time i looked the police are a government agency and do have some pull with government .gees you think .
 
2002-09-07 12:33:51 PM
Beamer67ca
"What i don't understand is , if the police have a problem with the device why don't they just shut down the manufacture ? Or ban it from the market ?"

Because you'd have to effectivly legislate against GPS systems = No more sat-nav in your car. It couldn't be done, too many buisness intrests.

www.abd.org.uk
 
2002-09-07 12:47:06 PM
If you listen to the UK gov, they'll tell you one third of accidents are caused by speeding. That is simply put a lie. The real figure is closer to 7.3%. The one third figure is made up from adding together several causes that involve speed or velocity in thier discriptions, e.g. 'Failure to judge other persons path or speed', but not actually caused by speeding.

There is such a thing as excessive speeding (nobody would agree that 70mph on a suburban street is sensible) but most accidents a caused by plain bad driving, which is hazardous at any speed.

[/rant]
 
2002-09-07 12:52:35 PM
In the past 2 years I've been in two accidents, which were serious enough to total the vehicle both times. The first one happened because some arsehole turned left in front of me at an intersection. The speed limit on the road was 45, I was going between 40-45. Although, I do regularly drive 5-10mph over the speed limit, but I slow down below the speed limit when aproaching a busy intersection because that's the SAFE thing to do. The second one happened while I was stopped waiting to merge onto a busy highway (I-15 in salt lake city), the traffic was so congested that the onramp was moving at a stop and go pace. Somebody got tired of waiting and decided to BACK down the onramp. The guy that hit me was watching this fool reverse down the onramp, rather than pay attention to what was directly ahead of him, and rear ended me going about 55mph. The speed limite was 65.

So, both of these wrecks happened while all vehicles involved were traveling BELOW the speed limit. Speed doesn't kill people, it's the sudden stop. If you're driving 65 (speed limit of the highways in my neck of the woods) or driving 165, you won't get into a wreck unless you actually hit something. Speed limits are bs laws designed to generate revenue. Plain and simple. They give the appearance of increasing safety, therefore law makers don't have any motivation to draft better laws which do actually increase safety. How about we eliminate speed limits altogether, and draft a plan where people who get into accidents by fault of themselves recieve very stiff penalties. Like suspended driving privileges for 2 years and a $1000 fine. I know if I were faced with such penalties I'd be a much more cautious driver. The guy that caused my first accident got a measly failure to yeild the right of way ticket, and the second guy got a speed to fast for conditions ticket (how speed limits should actually be enforced... according to the particular driving conditions). Both of these tickets allowed them to keep their licenses, and the fines are next to nothing. A slap on the hand basically.

I'm one of the lucky ones, I lived through these accidents. Who knows if the next people these guys wreck into are going to be so lucky.
 
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