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(WCBStv.com)   If you're being deployed to Iraq and are afraid of getting hurt, hiring a hit man to shoot you might be a solution worse than the problem   (wcbstv.com) divider line 59
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2007-07-14 04:20:54 AM  
People used to get executed for this kind of thing.
 
Fie
2007-07-14 04:42:47 AM  
... or killed in Iraq for not doing this kind of thing. Hell of a choice, really.
 
2007-07-14 05:17:12 AM  
Getting shot over here so you don't have to get shot over there? This man has a future in politics.
 
2007-07-14 07:38:45 AM  
liquidlen: This man has a future in politics.

i lol'd a little
 
2007-07-14 08:23:33 AM  
Why enlist if you know you're just going to pussy out in the end?
 
2007-07-14 08:49:22 AM  
Telling the Army you are gay is easier.
 
2007-07-14 09:23:42 AM  
Something think something cunning plan something something...
 
2007-07-14 09:24:13 AM  
nobozo

Yeah, I always wondered why people who are called up for duty and don't want to go don't show up wearing FAAABULOOOOUS clothes and start coming on to their superiors. They'd get canned on the spot. I mean- right? Why doesn't everyone do that?
 
2007-07-14 09:25:14 AM  
Koalaesq: nobozo

Yeah, I always wondered why people who are called up for duty and don't want to go don't show up wearing FAAABULOOOOUS clothes and start coming on to their superiors. They'd get canned on the spot. I mean- right? Why doesn't everyone do that?


Didn't work for Klinger, now, did it?
 
2007-07-14 09:25:36 AM  
It's just a shame The hit man didn't just kill him.
 
2007-07-14 09:25:43 AM  
nobozo: Telling the Army you are gay is easier.

No, I think you can do that now.

/I had to go with being Canadian. That still works.
 
2007-07-14 09:26:11 AM  
This is a perfect lesson on reading history helps present situations. If he bothered to he could have realized he could just come to canada and never go back. no gunshot wound. no iraq. But lots of beer!
 
2007-07-14 09:30:42 AM  
I can't wait for all the guys who have had their enlistments involuntarily extended start getting out. Prepare for a golden age of farked up shiat happening.

We'll have a plethora of new material to work with.
 
2007-07-14 09:31:04 AM  
In other news, that's the easiest job that hitman's had his whole career.
 
2007-07-14 09:31:34 AM  
doyner
If this were a popular war people would be executed or imprisoned for this type of behavior.

"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, fred."
 
2007-07-14 09:38:06 AM  
Very little sympathy from me. Doesn't even sound like post traumatic stress disorder, it sounds more like he just didn't feel like going back and figured since there was a very good chance of him being shot anyway, having someone shoot him while at home would give him a valid reason not to go. Either way, what kind of excuse is post traumatic stress disorder? How many soldiers that end up in life or death situations probably don't have some form of that?

Sorry, last time I looked we haven't reinstated the draft, he voluntarily joined with the knowlege that he may be shipped out. He can't say that he didn't understand upon joining that if he got shipped out he would be shot at and potentially injured or killed.

I can't say I agree with the war, but if you join you are obligated to go where the army wants you to go and do what the army tells you to do, end of story. You can't just join and decide that you suddenly don't like what you signed up for. If you want the option of quitting your job when you feel like it,DON'T join the millitary.
 
2007-07-14 09:41:50 AM  
Yes, and army recruiters are so honest about what its going to be like when they show up at the high schools.. and on TV and radio ads too.
 
2007-07-14 09:43:12 AM  
The poor hit man is in trouble now. The idiot probably ratted him out. This is why hit men should never take a job like this. You get caught quicker if you let them live!
 
2007-07-14 09:45:48 AM  
Coward, farking coward
 
2007-07-14 09:46:48 AM  
Poor guy. Just goes to show you how ridiculous this waste of an idiotic stupid pointless war this farking Bush-mess has become.

Useless lying murderous thug of a president.

/Obviously, this, like just about everything else that is evil and unholy, is Bush's fault.
 
2007-07-14 09:49:22 AM  
I can't say I agree with the war, but if you join you are obligated to go where the army wants you to go and do what the army tells you to do, end of story.

Incorrect. An individual's moral obligation supercedes orders from any military commander, as was established in Nuremburg.

Perhaps this fellow agreed to follow the orders of his government based on the Constitution's assertion that government's purpose is to protect the rights of its people. If he discovered in Iraq that his government was placing other interests before the well-being of its populace, he would be morally obliged to end his participation in the military.

I do not know this man and he may have other reasons, but this is not the "end of story".
 
2007-07-14 09:49:32 AM  
Ihaveanevilparrot

He's done a tour of duty.

Sounds like he served his tour in an active combat zone, taking fire and seeing his buddies get blown into pieces so small they scoop bits into the body bag.

He's definitely a coward for realizing after he got home that he'd likely never be back, that the Pentagon would authorize extended tour after tour after tour until they burned every fragment of humanity out of him, then spat him out because they couldn't afford to look after him.

Yeah, definitely a coward. Asshats. I hope your lunch is delicious today in your air-conditioned lunchroom, and your drive to work isn't a terrifying ordeal where you pray someone hasn't buried some old soviet artillery shells into the road to blow you into mush.
 
2007-07-14 09:52:12 AM  
Whateva_I_DO_WHAT_I_WANT

Unless you've experience an active combat zone for an extended period of time (computer games don't count) then I really have to question your ability to denounce someone as a coward for not wanting to go back.
 
2007-07-14 09:53:22 AM  
Bored Horde:

He is a coward. Technically thats deriliction of duty AND destruction of government property. He is an absolute coward for not seeing through what he signed for
 
2007-07-14 09:53:22 AM  
ehunter: Yes, and army recruiters are so honest about what its going to be like when they show up at the high schools.. and on TV and radio ads too.

Yes, and no one has access to the news or internet where you can see the reality of war or joining the milltary.

Every other thread has farkers condemning people for ignorance and stupidty EXCEPT when it comes to a thread about the millitary.
Then it's "Oh, that poor soldier, they didn't understand what what would happen! The recruiters lied!."

Yes, recruiters lie, but anyone with half a brain would research something before they just blindly sign their life away.
I thought about joining the millitary at one time, but there are reasons that I did not do so. Mainly because I didn't feel that I could follow through on devoting several years to something I wasn't completely sure about. I never even talked to a recruiter and I was smart enough to make that decision.

The millitary is not a top secret institution that no one understands the consequences of joining. Recruiters may lie, but anyone that doesn't understand what they are doing when they join the millitary is either extremely ignorant or stupid.
I have several friends that joined the millitary. The recruiters said one thing, and before they joined I talked to them and gave them several articles and sources that explained what would probably happen when they joined, regardless of what the recruiters said. They still used the excuse that "but the recruiters said this." If you take all your information from just one person (the recruiter), and disregard information from several other sources, that still makes you a moron.
 
2007-07-14 09:55:01 AM  
Bored Horde: Whateva_I_DO_WHAT_I_WANT

Unless you've experience an active combat zone for an extended period of time (computer games don't count) then I really have to question your ability to denounce someone as a coward for not wanting to go back.




Fallujah Iraq. 2004-2005 "the most dangerous city on the planet"
 
2007-07-14 09:55:19 AM  
Satan_Himself: I can't say I agree with the war, but if you join you are obligated to go where the army wants you to go and do what the army tells you to do, end of story.

Incorrect. An individual's moral obligation supercedes orders from any military commander, as was established in Nuremburg.

Perhaps this fellow agreed to follow the orders of his government based on the Constitution's assertion that government's purpose is to protect the rights of its people. If he discovered in Iraq that his government was placing other interests before the well-being of its populace, he would be morally obliged to end his participation in the military.

I do not know this man and he may have other reasons, but this is not the "end of story".



Those are not the reasons he stated in the article. The reasons stated in the article are that he has post traumatic stress disorder.

While I see what you are saying, I don't think it has bearing on this particular person. He may have the moral beliefs that you've stated, but those aren't the reasons he used for doing what he did.
 
2007-07-14 09:56:31 AM  
Bored Horde: Whateva_I_DO_WHAT_I_WANT

Unless you've experience an active combat zone for an extended period of time (computer games don't count) then I really have to question your ability to denounce someone as a coward for not wanting to go back.


i60.photobucket.com

Fallujah Iraq. 2004-2005 "the most dangerous city on the planet"
 
2007-07-14 09:56:53 AM  
Bored Horde: Ihaveanevilparrot

He's done a tour of duty.

Sounds like he served his tour in an active combat zone, taking fire and seeing his buddies get blown into pieces so small they scoop bits into the body bag.

He's definitely a coward for realizing after he got home that he'd likely never be back, that the Pentagon would authorize extended tour after tour after tour until they burned every fragment of humanity out of him, then spat him out because they couldn't afford to look after him.

Yeah, definitely a coward. Asshats. I hope your lunch is delicious today in your air-conditioned lunchroom, and your drive to work isn't a terrifying ordeal where you pray someone hasn't buried some old soviet artillery shells into the road to blow you into mush.



Where did I call him a coward?
 
2007-07-14 10:01:23 AM  
"The next time you do this, when you don't get shot, you'll have more fun."
 
2007-07-14 10:09:02 AM  
Not quite sure on the duty/honor thing here, I don't agree with the war, but do agree with honoring the commitments he made when he joined up.

What made me chuckle about the whole thing, was his wife texting the hit man....is this really someone you want sleeping next to you?
 
2007-07-14 10:55:52 AM  
Allow me to raise an altogether different issue: In general (when military desertion isn't involved), how is hiring a hitman to shoot you a crime? Unless you defraud your insurance company into paying the costs of medical treatment for said bullet wound, who is the victim?
 
2007-07-14 11:02:05 AM  
Here's an e-z way to get out of being sent back to active duty. I can not disclose my source, other than they have 20+ years of active duty in the military. The technique detailed below has been often used sucessfully at a base, and has caused the military person (mid-level officer) quite a number of problems as a result. They are now deployed overseas, hope they come back alive, not missing any limbs or their mind.
1. Get stinkin' drunk.
2. Drive drunk-near the local police station.
3. Get arrested for drunk driving.
4. Military rules do not allow enlisted personnel who have been arrested to leave the country.
 
2007-07-14 11:07:25 AM  
just cut off your trigger finger.
 
2007-07-14 11:31:28 AM  
He definately chose a bad way to go about it, but I do feel bad for the guy. The Army is not well known for treating PTSD cases that come up. Yes, he signed up for his tour, and he knew he'd be deployed. He'd already completed one tour, and apparently it was so horrific for him that he would rather be maimed and sent to prison than do a second. I don't think he's a coward, I just think he's caught in a crappy situation. Trust me, if you haven't been in a fight before, let alone a daily patrol schedule through IEDs and RPGs, you have absolutely no room to call him a coward. I hope he's given a general other than honorable discharge and sent home, it's not like he'd be any good to the Army now, and he sounds like he has a lot to sort out.

/Currently serving my second tour in Afghanistan
 
2007-07-14 12:17:03 PM  
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2007-07-14 12:19:29 PM  
BORED HORDE is PWN3T
 
2007-07-14 12:19:47 PM  
While I see what you are saying, I don't think it has bearing on this particular person. He may have the moral beliefs that you've stated, but those aren't the reasons he used for doing what he did.

I didn't claim that he had.
 
2007-07-14 12:29:52 PM  
General_Failure: He definately chose a bad way to go about it, but I do feel bad for the guy. The Army is not well known for treating PTSD cases that come up. Yes, he signed up for his tour, and he knew he'd be deployed. He'd already completed one tour, and apparently it was so horrific for him that he would rather be maimed and sent to prison than do a second. I don't think he's a coward, I just think he's caught in a crappy situation. Trust me, if you haven't been in a fight before, let alone a daily patrol schedule through IEDs and RPGs, you have absolutely no room to call him a coward. I hope he's given a general other than honorable discharge and sent home, it's not like he'd be any good to the Army now, and he sounds like he has a lot to sort out.

/Currently serving my second tour in Afghanistan


yah, but you know the military. If he wants out they will keep him, and if he wants to stay in they will do their damndest to kick him out.
 
2007-07-14 01:13:51 PM  
That sucks. Out $500, facing criminal charges, possibly PTSD, and probably going to get deployed again anyway (my guess, based on some facts I pulled out of my ass).

The second thing I thought of was Saving Private Brian
 
2007-07-14 01:26:32 PM  
If he hadnt served a tour of duty Id condemn him same as many others are. Im not saying what he did was right, but I can understand it. I dont think it was treasonous.
 
2007-07-14 01:27:05 PM  
This piss poor failure of life needs to be castrated then tied to 4 horses and slowly be pulled apart. Thats how i feel if you sign up do your damn time and be proud of it.
 
2007-07-14 01:32:24 PM  
General Specific: Allow me to raise an altogether different issue: In general (when military desertion isn't involved), how is hiring a hitman to shoot you a crime? Unless you defraud your insurance company into paying the costs of medical treatment for said bullet wound, who is the victim?

Thats conspiracy to commit willful destruction of government property.
 
2007-07-14 01:52:27 PM  
for all the guys holding their balls in their mom's basement and screaming coward at this guy (cept for you army guy) you seem to have not rtfa. He's been DIAGNOSED with PTSD. He's literally mentally ill you asshats.
 
2007-07-14 02:14:17 PM  
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Unavailiable for comment.
 
2007-07-14 02:17:25 PM  
I'm surprised that there aren't *more* people practically gnawing their limbs off in order not to go back again.
 
2007-07-14 03:18:26 PM  
Eh, I feel for the guy. I think part of the skyrocketing problem with both troop fatigue and suicides in the military is because jackasses like Whateva_I_DO_WHAT_I_WANT just chalk it up to cowardess whenver someone doesn't want to go back. You may well be qualified as a soldier, but like many other soldiers, you aren't well qualified as a psychiatrist, psychologist, or any kind of doctor. PTSD is real, and you aren't doing the country, the citizens, or your fellow soldiers a favor by fostering an atmosphere in which mentally ill people are given guns and drugs and sent back to the front lines.
 
2007-07-14 03:18:41 PM  
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That['s a Big Payback!
 
2007-07-14 03:21:55 PM  
Speaking of mental illness, heres the other shiat Whateva_I_DO_WHAT_I_WANT posts:
http://www.youtube.com/user/radagast26

I think I just got trolled.
 
2007-07-14 03:35:13 PM  
You shouldn't overly criticize military members for enlisting and then regretting their decision until you've seen what they've seen, especially if you're posting live from your mother's basement and you're over 19.

Most people enlisted prior to the current administration's unjust war; plus, he's done one more tour than most on this website. Remember that next time you grab your cheeto-stained mouse and start clicking away frantically to be the first to say something oh so clever on Fark.
 
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