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2007-07-13 05:01:18 AM  
oh yeah...give someone a stimulant when they are hyper, great idea! Stupid doct...hey, look, a big red ball! hehehehehe *bounce bounce*..mmmm shiny
 
2007-07-13 05:12:41 AM  
Actually, mild stimulants work for ADHD.

I was diagnosed ADHD when I was in my late 20's. Got put on adderrall (basically a compound of amphetamine salts). I was more productive at work than ever for a while. Suddenly I could take a project from start to finish without getting sidetracked by bits of string and small shiny balls of tinfoil. What took me two weeks before took me four days.

I just have to wonder how different my time in school would have been if they'd diagnosed me when I was 6 and had this stuff available in the 70's, rather than the common dismissal of "he's a daydreamer".

-l
 
2007-07-13 05:22:33 AM  
Loligo - rather than the common dismissal of "he's a daydreamer".

I always got that too - "must try harder" and all that. I've been tempted to pick up some Adderall from somewhere just to give it a shot. I can't concentrate on anything these days.
 
2007-07-13 06:54:28 AM  
Mr_Ectomy

Do you honestly think that neuroscientists didn't check that out?

The mild stimulant seems to increase frontal lobe function and this somehow prevents posterior parietal cortex from bouncing from stimulus to stimulus. But no one really knows how it works.

But it's not like people didn't see if it DID work. This is how drugs get made.

On the other hand this is clearly as a result of effective lobbying by the pharmaceutical industry. Hey guys it's really important that you focus on this disease that we have a handy prescription drug for.
 
2007-07-13 06:55:14 AM  
I agree they have totally aband.....OHHHH cookies!!!
 
2007-07-13 07:36:35 AM  
We actually had a student in our county, back before Ritalin, who had in his IEP that he was to be given a cup of black coffee every so often. Kid turned out to be an excellent student; apparently the stimulant helps the correct neurons fire and the incorrect ones play cards or something. Go figure.
 
2007-07-13 08:18:23 AM  
Loligo: had this stuff available in the 70's

ritalin/methylphenidate has been around since the '50s
 
2007-07-13 08:29:17 AM  
I'm with Tom Cruise on this one.
 
2007-07-13 08:30:08 AM  
Hey Subby, you don't need keys - your seat is reserved!
 
2007-07-13 08:30:39 AM  
isn't that because it's a made-up condition?
 
2007-07-13 08:33:10 AM  
I have a friend with this and he's not the easiest guy to get along with, even when you like him. He's been up and down the meds road and still can't find something to take the edge off. Like any disease, it's only funny when you don't have it and don't know anybody who does.

/LOLOL!!!111 I has a shiny objeckt!
 
2007-07-13 08:35:00 AM  
Wanna ride bikes?
 
2007-07-13 08:35:53 AM  
meanviking: I'm with Tom Cruise on this one.

Nope. Just over-prescribed in America, hardly at all over here.

Mobro4000: isn't that because it's a made-up condition?

Nope. Just over-diagnosed in America, hardly at all over here.

While I was in the States I knew of LOADS of kids with "attention deficit" who were just a bit hyper and who's parents couldn't handle it. Since I've been back I've met one chap with it, and he really, really does have it.

Sorry, but I get annoyed at the "made up condition" thing, I'm bipolar and I get it a lot, till people get to know me and get an idea of what I'd be like without my meds...
 
2007-07-13 08:36:43 AM  
Loligo: Actually, mild stimulants work for ADHD.

I used to smoke and that would help me keep things under control.
 
2007-07-13 08:36:56 AM  
What about us adults who just have ADD? Oh well, I guess squeaky wheel gets the grease.
 
2007-07-13 08:38:44 AM  
I prolly have ADHD.

I just consider it part of my personality. My sick annoying personality.
 
2007-07-13 08:40:03 AM  
Let's go ride bikes!
 
2007-07-13 08:40:04 AM  
The health service is failing adults with ADHD. The health service is fai--ohh look pancakes. The health ser--where are my keys? I'm taking a road trip

there that makes the joke funny
 
2007-07-13 08:41:07 AM  
The health service is failing adults with ADHD. The health service is fai--ohh look pancakes. The health ser--where are my keys? I'm taking a road trip

/agree
 
2007-07-13 08:43:23 AM  
ADHD is as fake as Jessica Simpsons tits. Just another excuse for being a bad parent.
 
2007-07-13 08:43:53 AM  
I stole some of my kid's methylphenidate once to see if it would help. It made me much more productive for a few hours. I didn't focus any better, it just made everything faster -- working, goofing off. I don't think it's a long-term solution for me.

What works somewhat better for me is 1.) unplugging the internet, and 2.) chasing the state of being that some people call 'hyperfocus'. It's quite pleasurable and rewarding and I get things done. It makes coworkers laugh, because I'm only dimly aware of my surroundings when I do that.
 
2007-07-13 08:44:23 AM  
I for one welcome the classification of certain personality types as diseases.

/conform
//obey
///sleep
 
2007-07-13 08:44:39 AM  
Wow, look at all the rejects blame some made up disease for the problems they have. I blame your parents, they should have beaten you every time you let your mind wander off of the task at hand. Y'all need to quit blaming everything else for you being such a scatter-brained POS.


/not serious
//ADD and ADHD is way over-diagnosed though
 
2007-07-13 08:45:33 AM  
If it wasn't for ADHD I wouldn't be on Fark all the the time.
 
2007-07-13 08:45:35 AM  
Life is a syndrome.
 
2007-07-13 08:46:27 AM  
I have ADHD so I am really getting a kick out of these replies...

No seriously I was diagnosed fairly early (in age and timeline). Way before the Ritalin craze. Eventually I grew out of the "H" part during my teenage years and starting in my early 20's eventually learned how to work with it. Don't even notice it now, if I still have it at all (if that's possible)

It was hell though working/trying so hard in school and getting almost jack in grades. Hope none of my kids will get it...err...when I have them.
 
2007-07-13 08:51:56 AM  
Maddogjew
Wow, look at all the rejects blame some made up disease for the problems they have. I blame your parents, they should have beaten you every time you let your mind wander off of the task at hand. Y'all need to quit blaming everything else for you being such a scatter-brained POS.


/not serious
//ADD and ADHD is way over-diagnosed though


no shiat on that last part. I remember many of many of many test, exams, brain scans (not scans like cat scans but those sticky things they put all over your head) because my dad wanted to make sure they had my diagnosis correct. then about ten years later it seemed all a parent had to do is go to a doctor and say "my kid has a lot of energy and doesn't want to do his homework". how about a diagnosis of "well ma'am, your son is kid. kids are like that".?
 
2007-07-13 08:52:19 AM  
millertrey - A bigger font does not make you any more important or any less of a troll.
 
2007-07-13 08:52:35 AM  
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ADD OR ADHD
Take a kid with "ADD" and stick him in front of his favorite video game. He'll sit there for HOURS.
ADD
I think not.
It's just a convenient excuse for lack of discipline
 
2007-07-13 08:52:40 AM  
The sad thing is, the headline describes a conversation I had with a friend last week verbatim. Something about pancakes then we drove 10 hrs to some place in PA. Stayed a day and got drunk then went back.
 
2007-07-13 08:53:32 AM  
Subby

Great headline I really laug--oh look, a bunny!
 
2007-07-13 08:54:53 AM  
Internet = ADHD basically..

work.. work.. just check the web.. work.. work.. just check the web.. work.. web..web..work..web..work.. etc etc
 
2007-07-13 08:55:38 AM  
I long for the old days, when instead of having ADHD, you were simply not very bright.
 
2007-07-13 08:56:43 AM  
Iona_Trailer: Take a kid with "ADD" and stick him in front of his favorite video game. He'll sit there for HOURS.

this works because of the video game design--bright colors, for example, stimulate the brain much as Ritalin does.
 
2007-07-13 08:57:38 AM  
Iona_Trailer

yes,
because a drugged populace is an obedient populace
 
2007-07-13 08:57:41 AM  
My solution, which isn't for everyone, was to 1) stop playing video games at night (they usually cause me to get angry, and you wouldn't like me...etc.), 2) stop eating gluten, which is next to impossible since it is in so many food products, but not eating breads and drinking liquor and wine instead of beer helps, and 3) get outside and exercise. It obviously isn't a cure for ADHD or anything else, but I've been able to focus more at work and other things because of it.

/YMMV
 
2007-07-13 08:58:24 AM  
No joke: I have ADHD and my doctor perscribed sex as an excercize for mental (and physical) stimulation.

He showed me in the medical journal of whatever, that sex was therapudic.
 
2007-07-13 08:59:52 AM  
Had I been born 20 years later, I'm sure I'd have been diagnosed with ADHD as a kid. They blamed everything from boredom to red cordial in my day.

Eventually, my kindergarten teacher discovered that she could get me to focus by keeping me supplied with huge piles of picture books, which I would slavishly read cover to cover.

By the time I reached primary school I was a highly advanced reader and if I wasn't constantly stimulated with bigger, more challenging books I became uncontrollable. One day in fourth grade my teacher gave me the dictionary to read out of sheer frustration. I ended up reading the whole damn thing (boring story, predictable ending).

I do think ADHD is overdiagnosed/overmedicalised. In a lot of cases (not all) the kids probably just need something to concentrate their energy on, the parents just haven't found the right subject yet.

These days I write for a living. Mind you, a little ritalin might help with my productivity :P

/journalist with a short attention span
 
2007-07-13 09:03:22 AM  
Mike Honcho: My solution, which isn't for everyone, was to 1) stop playing video games at night (they usually cause me to get angry, and you wouldn't like me...etc.), 2) stop eating gluten, which is next to impossible since it is in so many food products, but not eating breads and drinking liquor and wine instead of beer helps, and

Not eating gluten is a good way to reduce the symptoms of the coeliac disease. Apart from having symptoms sometimes similar to ADHD, it's a different disorder altogether.

3) get outside and exercise. It obviously isn't a cure for ADHD or anything else, but I've been able to focus more at work and other things because of it.

Doesn't do much for me.

/ 1h cycling every day.

/YMMV

Your Disorder May Differ
 
PRS
2007-07-13 09:05:03 AM  
Mobro4000: isn't that because it's a made-up condition?
AaaPha: Nope. Just over-diagnosed in America, hardly at all over here.

Now, I can't compare between the US, the UK and my country (.be), but it is striking how many children are diagnosed with ADHD over here in recent years. From 0 in my childhood to say 10% now. I'm hardly in a position to call it 'overdiagnosed' (what do I know...), but I wouldn't at all be surprised. My last summer camp as a scout leader (6-8 yr-olds) there were quite a few who were all diagnosed with ADHD. All of them went an entire camp without meds, and their supposed condition didn't show. Of course, they didn't have to keep still. Which may have helped.
 
2007-07-13 09:06:18 AM  
How many kids with ADD does it take to change a light bulb?


Wanna go ride bikes?
 
2007-07-13 09:06:55 AM  
It sickens me to see some of the adolescents coming into my office diagnosed with ADHD at age 3 or 4 and have been on stimulants since then. Some of their height-weight ratios are in the lowest percentiles for their age...because of long-term use of stimulants.

I'm really, really tired of big-pharma coming up with yet another amphetamine clone and telling us it's the latest and greatest thing to treat ADHD.

NOTE TO BIG-PHARMA: The world does not need another stimulant clone, statin clone, combination drug, extended release, patch-form drug or any other "me-too", bandwagon drug.

/disjointed rant off
 
2007-07-13 09:07:27 AM  
Well I use Mac/Linux...
Ya beat me damnit!
 
2007-07-13 09:09:20 AM  
"You drive fast, you listen to loud music, you move job constantly all the time, you think nothing of moving house to house, you can't settle and have stable relationships, your relationships with your family are on tenterhooks all the time because of how you are."

Ohhhh, I get it - you're an annoying moron.

Not to go all Tom Cruise, but ADHD is not a "disease" in a medical sense - it's a difficulty in meeting social norms. You have more trouble sitting still and concentrating than a "normal" people - so what? There is no valid medical reason to deem this a heath threat.

"But it affects my work". To think there are people who would drug themselves in order to become a more effective wage slave is pathetic - why not just go straight for the lobotomy and get it over with...
 
2007-07-13 09:09:32 AM  
How many adults with ADD does it take to change a lightbuld?
HEY Lets go have Sex!
 
2007-07-13 09:15:03 AM  
I guarantee you reported ADHD cases and the advent of "Time-out" and all the other kinder, gentler punishment methods are directly proportional to each other.
 
2007-07-13 09:17:04 AM  
not to be offensive...but I think ADD or ADHD...whatever we're calling it today...it all bullcrap.

I think people just get bored or aren't interested in something.

"Oh no! Billy can't pay attention in Math class."

"Uh oh...he's got the ADD."

"Get a rope."

/phooey

www.mchenrycountyblog.com
 
2007-07-13 09:17:52 AM  
nictamer: Not eating gluten is a good way to reduce the symptoms of the coeliac disease. Apart from having symptoms sometimes similar to ADHD, it's a different disorder altogether.

Indeed. Not a cure, but I've been doing it for almost six months now and I feel better than I ever did on any sort of anti-ADHD or anti-whatever drugs.

Your Disorder May Differ

Yes, it does, but I can sympathize with the ADHD folks: http://www.paleodiet.com/autism/ (new window)
 
2007-07-13 09:17:56 AM  
Headline is dead-on. I swear I had a conversation with my ADHD boyfriend that went just like that, except it was ice cream instead of pancakes.
 
2007-07-13 09:18:29 AM  
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ADD OR ADHD
Take a kid with "ADD" and stick him in front of his favorite video game. He'll sit there for HOURS.
ADD
I think not.
It's just a convenient excuse for lack of discipline


There is nothing quite like ignorance. I guess you have to have it to understand it.
 
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