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2007-07-13 09:19:20 AM  
andcal: ADD == ADHD.

It is both a real condition, and an overprescribed excuse for bad parenting.

Yes, people do have it.

No, people don't have it in the quantities in which their quackjob psychologists are prescribing pills for it.
 
2007-07-13 09:21:25 AM  
People who don't have it will never understand it, and just dismiss it.

People who have it will understand, that the computer or a video game has massive ammounts of mental stimulous... and thus can hold the user's attention span because it's constantly changing.

That, and it's something we can accomplish 100% and feel good about succeeding in something, instead of being told we failed, or only finished the project 1/2 way.

I'm great at starting projects and organizing them. But after a few days, I just lose all interest.

IT and Networking is now my strongest point, because I love it and it's always changing.
 
2007-07-13 09:22:27 AM  
ADHD threads bore me. It's the same damn discussion every time.
 
2007-07-13 09:23:47 AM  
Revek: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ADD OR ADHD
Take a kid with "ADD" and stick him in front of his favorite video game. He'll sit there for HOURS.
ADD
I think not.
It's just a convenient excuse for lack of discipline

There is nothing quite like ignorance. I guess you have to have it to understand it.


While a bit crude, he is dead on in his intentions. ADD or ADHD or whatever may be an issue, but most professionals agree Ritalin is probably only the correct option in about 1-2% of children. Not sure what the national usage average is, but you can bet the farm its a helluva lot higher than that.
 
2007-07-13 09:25:07 AM  
Not enough boys are getting the initiative stoned out of them.
 
2007-07-13 09:25:20 AM  
look, I just came into this thread because I thought there was going to be pancakes. I don't see any pancakes. WHERE ARE MY PANCAKES GOSH DARN IT!!!
 
2007-07-13 09:25:34 AM  
Symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder include inattention and impulsiveness


millions of alcoholics line up for health care for their "adhd" even as it declines.

ADHD threads bore me. It's the same damn discussion every time


probably because the ones repeating the discussion, have it?
 
2007-07-13 09:25:48 AM  
Maddogjew
I blame your parents, they should have beaten you every time you let your mind wander off of the task at hand.

Thats what my parents did instead of getting me help it didn't work. I love hearing you losers talk about it like you know what it really is. Having said that it does have its advantages in problem solving .
 
2007-07-13 09:26:16 AM  
ddaug4uf: Revek: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ADD OR ADHD
Take a kid with "ADD" and stick him in front of his favorite video game. He'll sit there for HOURS.
ADD
I think not.
It's just a convenient excuse for lack of discipline

There is nothing quite like ignorance. I guess you have to have it to understand it.

While a bit crude, he is dead on in his intentions. ADD or ADHD or whatever may be an issue, but most professionals agree Ritalin is probably only the correct option in about 1-2% of children. Not sure what the national usage average is, but you can bet the farm its a helluva lot higher than that.


Concerta works better for me than ritilin.

Ritilin spikes your system, and is out in 3.5 hours. Concerta lasts 18 hours and doesn't keep me up at night.

without it, I'm an absolute disaster. Once I take my concerta in the morning, guess what? I don't have to "worry" about forgetting something, or "worry" that I might screw something up. It frees my mind to concentrate on other job related goals.
 
2007-07-13 09:26:58 AM  
Veritas:

I am 52 and have been taking ritalin for three years.

It saved my sanity and business.

My one employee will quit if I stop taking it.

I am FAR less annoying and rude during the time it is in my system.

When it wears off (around 3PM) I like my brain to be in it's creative mode.

It helps me do the business stuff during the day and allows the weird to come out at a more appropriate time.

Veritas: your statement described me perfectly.
 
2007-07-13 09:28:02 AM  
I'm ADD, but I like the way my brain works, the way I see the world. caffeine calms me down (to the point of falling asleep often times), never been on Ritalin, or any of the other ADD drugs. My better-living-through-chemistry friend introduced me to Choline. It has been very beneficial, it helps balance out the "hey look a kitty!" factor, without taking away those aspects of my consciousness that I enjoy and make use of.

/Lots of Choline in beets and eggs.
//DO NOT WANT that omlet!
 
2007-07-13 09:32:25 AM  
Mr_Ectomy: oh yeah...give someone a stimulant when they are hyper, great idea! Stupid doct...hey, look, a big red ball! hehehehehe *bounce bounce*..mmmm shiny

Remind me never to ask you for medical advice.
 
2007-07-13 09:34:30 AM  
Too bad we can't teach our kids a little meditation instead of ramming pills down their throat.

But these are all "new" facets to humanity, right? Which require "new" pills? Bullshiat.
 
2007-07-13 09:34:46 AM  
I love these "syndromes" and "diseases" that somehow didn't exist until the drug companies had the proper product to treat them.... Hmmmmm.....

Actually, ADHD did exist when I was a kid--it was called "being a dumbass" and you got grounded to your room for at least a day for it. Don't worry, that low-tech low-cost solution isn't coming back. That was back in the seventies, when parents still disciplined their kids.
 
2007-07-13 09:35:58 AM  
ddaug4uf: I guarantee you reported ADHD cases and the advent of "Time-out" and all the other kinder, gentler punishment methods are directly proportional to each other.

I would say it's due to a diet of nearly all processed, fatty foods and utter lack of exercise.
 
2007-07-13 09:39:51 AM  
swaxhog: ddaug4uf: I guarantee you reported ADHD cases and the advent of "Time-out" and all the other kinder, gentler punishment methods are directly proportional to each other.

I would say it's due to a diet of nearly all processed, fatty foods and utter lack of exercise.


You mean on the part of the lazy ass (non)parents, right?
 
2007-07-13 09:45:27 AM  
millertrey
ADHD is as fake as Jessica Simpsons tits. Just another excuse for being a bad parent.

The thing about that is, I believe that those tits are real.
 
2007-07-13 09:45:36 AM  
I think we see a number of problems here.

The society and schools are set-up for people who like to sit in chairs and respond with the pat answer. I have taught for 15 years and it is getting worse. Good teachers are leaving the profession. School dollars are going to testing companies by the millions. The US is getting students that like to sit in chairs and tell people what they want to hear.

I believe that some people need help with their focus. Drugs are just one of the answers. In the United States, we take a drug for anything and everything. Drugs are advertised everywhere. Drug companies are a business and businesses are about money.

Many of these studies are paid for by the drug companies.

Next I would like to rant about what these drugs do to brains and livers, but I really need to get some work done today.

Summary:
Drug companies = Greed
Some Drugs are needed.
Schools are being raped of money and the good teachers have left are leaving.
 
2007-07-13 09:46:34 AM  
Iona_Trailer: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ADD OR ADHD
Take a kid with "ADD" and stick him in front of his favorite video game. He'll sit there for HOURS.
ADD
I think not.
It's just a convenient excuse for lack of discipline


You really shouldn't speak out about things that you don't have a farking clue about. If you actually picked up a book and did some research on ADHD you would know that people with ADHD often hyper-focus on certain tasks and behaviors. People with ADHD have decreased levels of Dopamine. Playing video games are full of action and stimulate brain activity causing increased Dopamine production. That is why Stimulant medications work for people with ADHD b/c the low doses of stimulants increase production of Dopamine; therefore increasing their ability to focus and concentrate.
 
2007-07-13 09:50:23 AM  
I knew that ADD/ADHD was fake the second I was diagnosed with it back when I was seven. I knew then that I was just some snot-nosed kid and not a defect. In reality, ADD roughly thanslates to "childhood".
 
2007-07-13 09:52:00 AM  
Peridot:
People who don't have it will never understand it, and just dismiss it.



Also, if a person doesn't have it and took just one 5th the amount of Adderall that I am prescribed, they would be higher than a kite! Wired, my friend. Not me though. When I take it it just quiets down all the chatter in my brain. I honestly used to worry that I was schizophrenic. I'm 45 years old and remember being one of those hyperactive kids. It did cause problems at times because even though I did know right from wrong, sometimes I just couldn't stop myself. But anyhoo, like I've said before, I'm too old to give a rats ass what anybody else thinks about my personal brain chemical misfirings. So STFU & GBTW.
 
2007-07-13 09:52:01 AM  
seriously, add/adhd are about as real as "nature deficit disorder" and i would guess that both are quite related.

/parent is a verb not a noun
 
2007-07-13 09:52:43 AM  
Edit: never took a single bit of medication, and made A's for the rest of that time. Thank you parents for that one.
 
2007-07-13 09:52:44 AM  
ddaug4uf: swaxhog: ddaug4uf: I guarantee you reported ADHD cases and the advent of "Time-out" and all the other kinder, gentler punishment methods are directly proportional to each other.

I would say it's due to a diet of nearly all processed, fatty foods and utter lack of exercise.

You mean on the part of the lazy ass (non)parents, right?


F- you guys and your "blame the parents" excuse.

So a parent with a child who has autism is to blame? Maybe it is their fault for buy a house too close to power lines? WTF man.

People with ADHD act out and get riddiculed. There is clearly something different about them. It's not behavioral. It's not them acting out for attention. It is more of a fundimental lack of production of dopamine(spelling?) in the brain that keeps people on track.

I bet you a large portion of prisoners who are doing time for bonehead crimes and getting caught with no priors are undiagonsed ADHD.

It ignorant, "must be the parents / bad behavior / willful misconduct" not ADHD. God forbid there is a REASON for why we exist the way we are.
 
2007-07-13 09:54:17 AM  
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: millertrey
ADHD is as fake as Jessica Simpsons tits. Just another excuse for being a bad parent.

The thing about that is, I believe that those tits are real.


Haha, good catch.
 
2007-07-13 09:58:49 AM  
I have a mild case of adult ADD. Didn't find out until after college when I saw a list of symptoms. Next time I went to the doctor I asked him, he gave me Provigil off-label. Good stuff. I get much, much less distracted at work now, and can get a lot more done than I could before. Only take it on weekdays though.

/Still get distracted sometimes
//Obvious, since I'm posting on fark
 
2007-07-13 10:01:18 AM  
realjd: I have a mild case of adult ADD. Didn't find out until after college when I saw a list of symptoms. Next time I went to the doctor I asked him, he gave me Provigil off-label. Good stuff. I get much, much less distracted at work now, and can get a lot more done than I could before. Only take it on weekdays though.

/Still get distracted sometimes
//Obvious, since I'm posting on fark


Oh, oh... you have a valid reason. Better not let some of these guys see it, they might think your parents were to blame.
 
2007-07-13 10:03:17 AM  
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhd.cfm#symptoms:
--Feeling restless, often fidgeting with hands or feet, or squirming while seated
--Running, climbing, or leaving a seat in situations where sitting or quiet behavior is expected
--Blurting out answers before hearing the whole question
--Having difficulty waiting in line or taking turns.


what kid doesn't do this?!! First of all, kids have a lot of energy. It is a parents job to allow their child to exert this energy. Secondly, we live in a fast-paced society where multi-tasking is necessary to survive, commercials are full of quick-paced editing, and nothing lasts for a long term.

More from the link: There is little compelling evidence at this time that ADHD can arise purely from social factors or child-rearing methods. Most substantiated causes appear to fall in the realm of neurobiology and genetics. [...] They are finding more and more evidence that ADHD does not stem from the home environment, but from biological causes. Knowing this can remove a huge burden of guilt from parents who might blame themselves for their child's behavior.

I don't like to wait in line. I don't like to sit still in front of my computer. I need 50 tabs opened at once. Why? Because I am flipping bored and would rather surf fark than code. It's motivation not "brain chemicals".
 
2007-07-13 10:03:23 AM  
Peridot: F- you guys and your "blame the parents" excuse.

So a parent with a child who has autism is to blame? Maybe it is their fault for buy a house too close to power lines? WTF man.

People with ADHD act out and get riddiculed. There is clearly something different about them. It's not behavioral. It's not them acting out for attention. It is more of a fundimental lack of production of dopamine(spelling?) in the brain that keeps people on track.

I bet you a large portion of prisoners who are doing time for bonehead crimes and getting caught with no priors are undiagonsed ADHD.

It ignorant, "must be the parents / bad behavior / willful misconduct" not ADHD. God forbid there is a REASON for why we exist the way we are.


Not in the numbers that are diagnosed and given drugs, no. The parents are certainly to blame. Just look at Jamie's School Lunches fiasco as a prime example.

Why do these kids have a lack of production of dopamine(spelling?). Hmmm, couldn't be because of the 100% trans-fat diet and sitting around all waking day. Nope, it's a lack of Focusin in their system. Thank god that billion dollar drug company just happens to have a cure.
 
2007-07-13 10:04:12 AM  
Ritalin Cures Next Picasso

WORCESTER, MA-Area 7-year-old Douglas Castellano's unbridled energy and creativity are no longer a problem thanks to Ritalin, doctors for the child announced Monday. "After years of failed attempts to stop Douglas' uncontrollable bouts of self-expression, we have finally found success with Ritalin," Dr. Irwin Schraeger said. "For the first time in his life, Douglas can actually sit down and not think about lots of things at once." Castellano's parents reported that the cured child no longer tries to draw on everything in sight, calming down enough to show an interest in television.


From the Onion (new window)
 
2007-07-13 10:07:54 AM  
swaxhog: Why do these kids have a lack of production of dopamine(spelling?). Hmmm, couldn't be because of the 100% trans-fat diet and sitting around all waking day.

Surprisingly, the NIMH site does mention this:
It has been suggested that attention disorders are caused by refined sugar or food additives, or that symptoms of ADHD are exacerbated by sugar or food additives.
 
2007-07-13 10:13:33 AM  
Peridot I'm not trying to be a tool but just a little FYI for ya Concerta is actually Ritalin in a long acting form. Most of the stimulants come in long acting forms now (Adderall XR, Metadate CR). You get a days worth of medicine in a single dose capsule. The first dosage is release immediately and then the next dose is released like 4 hours later.
 
2007-07-13 10:16:02 AM  
Peridot:
Concerta works better for me than ritilin.

Ritilin spikes your system, and is out in 3.5 hours. Concerta lasts 18 hours and doesn't keep me up at night.

without it, I'm an absolute disaster. Once I take my concerta in the morning, guess what? I don't have to "worry" about forgetting something, or "worry" that I might screw something up. It frees my mind to concentrate on other job related goals.


Ritalin and Concerta are both methylphenidate, Concerta is in controlled release form.
 
2007-07-13 10:16:10 AM  
I would take Aderol to accomplish more in my work day ... if I was self employed.

// Seriously.
 
2007-07-13 10:16:11 AM  
I just self-medicate with alcohol.
 
2007-07-13 10:17:30 AM  
Stimulants work great for ADHD. There's a reason they are so abused by many people, they do help you focus big time.

The one big thing about any national healthcare that scares me is they will drop the ball on mental health. Even the best private insurance barely covers mental health issues, let alone some government program needing to keep costs down.
 
2007-07-13 10:19:27 AM  
djmed
yes,
because a drugged populace is an obedient populace



Drugs make you obedient? Timothy Leary would like to have a word with you...
 
2007-07-13 10:19:42 AM  
Peridot: F- you guys and your "blame the parents" excuse.

So a parent with a child who has autism is to blame? Maybe it is their fault for buy a house too close to power lines? WTF man.

People with ADHD act out and get riddiculed. There is clearly something different about them. It's not behavioral. It's not them acting out for attention. It is more of a fundimental lack of production of dopamine(spelling?) in the brain that keeps people on track.

I bet you a large portion of prisoners who are doing time for bonehead crimes and getting caught with no priors are undiagonsed ADHD.

It ignorant, "must be the parents / bad behavior / willful misconduct" not ADHD. God forbid there is a REASON for why we exist the way we are.


Dude, you need to relax. I never said ADD or ADHD didn't exist. The only ignorance involved is yours if you believe there is not a problem with over diagnosing ADD. Psychiatry has devised extremely specific guides for prescribing and monitoring this sometimes-useful drug, but a 500% jump in Ritalin production in the past five years clearly suggests that these guidelines are being ignored and that Ritalin is being vastly over prescribed. The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Psychiatric Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics have all recognized that fact, why can't you? Hell, even Ciba, the largest manufacturer of Ritalin has admitted the drug is being abused. Quit taking attacks personally and look at the big picture, because truthfully, you are not improving the cause of anyone who is a legitimate ADD sufferer by being closed minded and an ass about it.
 
2007-07-13 10:23:29 AM  
What the FARK did they think would happen when they outlawed amphetamines 100%??

/Couldn't get up without his Dexedrine
//thats speed to you UK peeps
 
2007-07-13 10:23:46 AM  
Mr_Ectomy: oh yeah...give someone a stimulant when they are hyper, great idea!

Sounds like misinformed bullshiat to me! But hey, this is Fark.

/on Adderall for two years
//did my research before I decided to start taking it
///best decision I ever made
 
2007-07-13 10:24:23 AM  
Whether or not I have adhd isn't a factor in my life.

Whether or not to run the same risk I did in 94 of having a doctor give me the wrong prescription amount... and put me in danger of a heart attack however... been there done that. I'll stick with not taking medicine thank you.
 
2007-07-13 10:24:44 AM  
So how do the trolls feel about other mental conditions that require medication? Maybe a manic schizophrenic just needs to meditate.

It's really frustrating to hear the same old crap. Sure, it's overdiagnosed. So give bad parents a hard time, not adults who personally suffer. I assure you: it sucks.

But on the plus side I can legally do speed on airline flights.
 
2007-07-13 10:25:29 AM  
Having ADD is horrible. No matter how hard I try, I just space out and lose focus without meds. It's been a problem my whole life. I can't read books or anything like that, I just can not focus. I get mad at people who says it doesn't exist and the kid is just dumb.

When I am on the meds I am a different person. I am focused, efficient, and am able to be like a normal person. It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't make it any less real.
 
2007-07-13 10:25:30 AM  
Amphetamines quiet everyone's brain and make them focus. That's why they're so widely used by college students nowadays. I sincerely hope real cases of ADD have more going for them than that amphetamines make them more productive.
 
2007-07-13 10:29:08 AM  
Concerta IS Ritalin you moron ... just time released. Don't you even know what you put into your body?

Methylphenidate is a keytone, like cocaine only really shiatty. Enjoy your heart attack at 40, I'll stick with my D-amphetamine sulphate kthx!

*pew pew*
 
2007-07-13 10:30:10 AM  
Iona_Trailer: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ADD OR ADHD
Take a kid with "ADD" and stick him in front of his favorite video game. He'll sit there for HOURS.
ADD
I think not.
It's just a convenient excuse for lack of discipline


So many of you have no idea what you are talking about. Spend a little time talking to a neurologist or a pediatrician about families with ADHD that are able to function for the first time because of medical therapy. It's not about sitting still for a few minutes. And if you have a reputable physician, telling them that Tommy is a little fidgety in class is not going to earn you a Focalin or Adderall prescription.
 
2007-07-13 10:38:58 AM  
To echo what many have said, I too have ADD/ADHD (the terms are considered to be interchangeable now). I assure you, it is not a made up disorder.

I was diagnosed when I was 18. I had a year of college under my belt, and was on academic probation. Medication changed my life. I was like a born again Christian, but instead of walking around and telling everyone how much good Jesus was doing for me, I was telling them how amazing the medication was.

Ritalin, however, is not for me. Yes, it gave me the ability to focus, but it absolutely robbed me of the charisma and spark that I had. I found, in fact, that I was too able to focus and would spend my afternoon just doing things like staring at a wall. I've been on Adderall for the past 5 years, and it's been SO much better.

Medication helps in squillions of areas. People who don't have ADHD think it's all about attention span, but it's not. It's so much more about impulse control, the ability to retain details, and feeling like no matter how hard you try, you're just a step or two behind everyone else, even though you're so much smarter than they are. Since I've started taking Adderall, even my handwriting has improved. I can look at a piece of paper and tell you if I was on medication that day or not.

I know that what I've said is just more of the same, and I know that I'll probably never be able to convince the haters that this is a real disorder, but if anyone has any questions about the diagnosis process or just the disorder in general, I'm more than happy to answer you candidly. You'll find my email in my profile.

/Running late now because I got side-tracked posting.
//OMG! That cloud looks like a bunny!
 
2007-07-13 10:40:13 AM  
ADD and ADHD are the most over-diagnosed bullshiat disorders people have come up with so far. Just undisciplined people trying to find a quick fix for their problems.

If you can't pay attention, get someone to biatch slap you...after a few times I guarantee you will give them you undivided attention. And it's cheaper and safer than prescription drugs!
 
2007-07-13 10:40:31 AM  
So not being able to finish what you start is a disorder.

Got it.
 
2007-07-13 10:41:12 AM  
Riding bikes is boring.

Wanna change lightbulbs?

Isn't that what Ritalin and that other crap is for?
/Or you could just do prescription cocaine...
 
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