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(Some Guy)   Lawmaker thinks there are too many lawyers so he tries to eliminate all the funding for the state law school. "We don't need more ambulance chasers. We don't need frivolous lawsuits"   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 64
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2007-07-13 12:14:11 AM
Hero tag on vacation?
 
2007-07-13 12:15:59 AM
A lawmaker unfamiliar with the concepts of cause and effect, supply and demand, what a shock. Lawsuits are triggered by people with disputes, not by the lawyers who fight the battles. This is roughly the same as suggesting we wouldn't have wars if we stopped training soldiers.

And with fewer lawyers, I wonder what would happen to the price for services with the remaining lawyers with less competition. Hmmm.

A cunning plan he has. It's so cute when they try to think on their own, isn't it?
 
2007-07-13 12:46:55 AM
Too many lawyer?

Not enough education.
 
2007-07-13 01:55:28 AM
Merkin_ball: Hero tag on vacation?

It's hiding behind the Dumbass tag. You think the 2nd amendment assures all the others, just wait 'til Shakespeare gets his wish.
 
2007-07-13 01:57:13 AM
I thought for sure this was going to be a Kansas story. But Wisconsin? I expected better, man.
 
2007-07-13 01:57:22 AM
Actually, training soldiers gives our leaders an incentive to use them. You build up a military industrial complex that pushes hard for war so they can sell more product. You can't sell the gov't more cruise missles til they use up the ones they have.
 
2007-07-13 01:58:32 AM
So many lawyers so few s's...
 
2007-07-13 01:59:35 AM
Maybe he should stop making laws if he doesn't want to have people trained to interpret them.
 
2007-07-13 01:59:40 AM
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2007-07-13 02:14:27 AM
This guy better hope he never needs a lawyer himself.

Although piss on those lucky Wisconsin bastards. You don't even have to take a bar exam if you graduate from a Wisconsin law school!
 
2007-07-13 02:16:32 AM
theodicey: Maybe he should stop making laws if he doesn't want to have people trained to interpret them.

I'm sure the irony of someone who makes law attempting to undermine the source of future lawmakers, prosecutors and judges was lost on Mr. "I haven't thought my cunning plan all the way through."

/Dumbass tag on vacation?
 
2007-07-13 02:16:37 AM
I'm studying for the Bar right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

But seriously, even though I hate the vast majority of my fellow students for being smug little pricks, the hate on lawyers is cliche and dumb. We get criticized for refusing bad clients, and we get criticized for representing them. Everyone hates shark lawyers...right up until the time they need one. A lawyer is merely an extension of his client's wishes, and can only act within the laws that these asshat legislators make anyways.

I daresay the small number of dishonest lawyers is still more than the number of honest politicians.
 
2007-07-13 02:16:57 AM
As a guy about to go to law school, I'm really getting a kick out of this cliche.
 
2007-07-13 02:18:33 AM
Needs HERO tag!

If this doesn't work, could we arrange for a national lawyer convention at some place that has "faulty" wiring?

wejash: A lawmaker unfamiliar with the concepts of cause and effect, supply and demand, what a shock. Lawsuits are triggered by people with disputes, not by the lawyers who fight the battles. This is roughly the same as suggesting we wouldn't have wars if we stopped training soldiers.

Yes, but having less lawyers around would mean less of them to eagerly take up frivolous lawsuits that end up ruining people financially over petty shiat that doesn't even matter.

There is a reason behind the term "ambulance chaser". Lawyers generally don't earn crap, because there's too many of them and too much competition, so they take all the cases they can possibly get. Even if it means suing someone into oblivion because their client hurt themselves on their property.
 
2007-07-13 02:21:51 AM
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Actually, training soldiers gives our leaders an incentive to use them. You build up a military industrial complex that pushes hard for war so they can sell more product. You can't sell the gov't more cruise missles til they use up the ones they have.

Training soldiers doesn't create a military industrial complex. It creates a militia that likes to ski. And you get to call yourself Switzerland.

Wanting to build a huge farkin' empire and make everyone do as you say, that takes a mil-ind complex. To fill a large bank account in Switzerland.
 
2007-07-13 02:22:59 AM
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2007-07-13 02:29:09 AM
I agree with those who say this article deserves a HERO tag.

Illicit, I was going to post something more elaborate, but saw your Weeners. You nailed it.

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2007-07-13 02:33:31 AM
People like him is why there is very little progress in Wisconsin.
 
2007-07-13 02:36:30 AM
petty and idiotic.
designed specifically to get him wingnut brownie points.
he bills him self as a "tax avenger" or something or other.
dumbass.
 
2007-07-13 02:42:52 AM
armchair quarterback fark responses in 3.. 2.. oh wait.. I mean.. -1, -2, -3, -4..
 
2007-07-13 02:46:18 AM
Down with the Educators!
 
2007-07-13 02:50:36 AM
Since Wisconsin has too many lawyers why should it keep underwriting the cost of training wannabe lawyers? Supply and demand baby. When and if the supply drops off again maybe they'll need to throw more money into the viper training pit. Until then though the baby lawyers may just need to pony up and pay something resembling fair market value for whatever education they get.
 
2007-07-13 02:50:56 AM
Being a lawyer is overrated.

/lawyer
 
2007-07-13 03:00:50 AM
Opiate of the Lasses

Amen. I have a bumper sticker that says "Lawyers are Heroes" for a reason. When you've been done wrong, whether it's by the police, another citizen, the government, or anyone else, the best friend you can have is your lawyer. A lawyer is someone who has been trained to represent you, and is bound by oath to do that to the best of their ability. They're your friend, not your enemy.

It was a cunning move of politicans and big business to paint lawyers as the enemy.

/Good luck on the bar.
//I'll be taking it in a year.
///Being a lawyer isn't overrated; if you don't like the job, you should have thought about that before law school.
 
2007-07-13 03:25:50 AM
Opiate of the Lasses: I daresay the small number of dishonest lawyers is still more than the number of honest politicians.

That's implying that there are honest lawyers and politicians, though.

/ducks
 
2007-07-13 03:38:32 AM
If only he had the power to write laws that would better protect people from frivolous lawsuits...
 
2007-07-13 04:22:33 AM
A good first step, but the law won't stop anyone from entering law school. It will just shift the burden of payment more to the wealty and corporations who benefit from lawyers in the first place. If we spend tax dollars on post graduate education, it should be where we get the best bang for the buck. Put the law school subsidies into engineering and medical schools, where they are desperately needed. The aging baby boomers will need huge numbers of gerontologists and other healthcare professionals very soon. We need engineers to help design more efficient cities, cars and infrastructure. We've already lost our technological dominance to India and soon to China, who are beating the US in numbers of patents filed. If you scream about illegal immigration, you should also be concerned with the numbers of H1B visas for IT, electrical and chemical engineers whose jobs should be taken by American graduates. If people want to study for careers that are in oversupply, we'll see plenty of lawyers driving cabs, tending bar and offering $99 divorces in an effort to compete. We'll also see fewer corrupt desperate egomaniacs attorneys looking to run for public office so they can line their pockets with our tax dollars. According to http://www.abanet.org there are just over 1 million lawyers in the US, roughly three lawyers per 1000 people. Compare that with WHO statistics of 620,000 US doctors, not all of whom practice medicine, which is 1.6 per 1000. Now ask yourself, how many times have you seen a doctor and how many times have you needed a lawyer, and which would you rather see first after a car accident? Tiny, embargoed Cuba has almost 4 doctors per 1,000 people. More general practitioners = more availability of care which should equal an increase in supply and a moderation of cost. By that logic, we should also have more geneticists and drug researchers researching new drug technologies in an effort to drive down the price.

No only do I support moving subsidies from law to medical schools, I think a national QUOTA on law school graduations is a good idea until our lawyer per capita ratio approaches that of Spain or Costa Rica.
 
2007-07-13 04:22:37 AM
Anybody remember the "Lawyer Roping" ad that got yanked off the tube by some pantload lawyer?
Presented as a rodeo event, it showed a lawyer in a rumpled suit, on the run with papers hanging out of his brief case, looking over his shoulder as the cowboy rides up and throws a perfect lasso around him.
Harmless enough and it was truly funny to see...except to the afore mentioned pantload...
Beautiful!!!
 
2007-07-13 04:38:45 AM
This guy is a forward thinker.

Isn't he the legislator who was sponsoring a bill last year to arm teachers, principals, and administrators in public schools?
/wingnut comes to mind
 
2007-07-13 05:33:06 AM
Why does this guy have an R by his name?

from one of many:

As the famous remark by the plotter of treachery in Shakespeare's King Henry VI shows - "The first thing we must do is kill all the lawyers," - the surest way to chaos and tyranny even then was to remove the guardians of independent thinking.
 
2007-07-13 06:08:50 AM
There are too many lawyers in the US. This is a good start.

/less is more
 
2007-07-13 06:34:55 AM
Lassee.

This is the same nutter who advocated allowing teachers to carry concealed guns in their classrooms after the Virginia Tech shootings.


/If the Monty Python's Sensible and Silly Parties exsisted in the United States, Lassee would be a member of the Very Silly Party.
//glad to be living in London where people are more sensible.
///Don't want to go back to Wisconsin in August. I want to stay here in the UK.
////Lassee is a right berk whose head is so far up his own arsehole, he can see his own tonsils.
 
2007-07-13 06:42:03 AM
Hero tag needed.

Now, if we could just legislate in some farking personal responsibility to go with it...

What? You tripped up and you want to sue local government over the upkeepp of their pavements?

Fark off and watch where you put your feet in future, asshat.
 
2007-07-13 07:15:21 AM
A few (many) years ago US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT had an editorial which advocated paying each graduating lawyer who passed the bar $750,000 to agree not to practice for life. They said that each lawyer cost the taxpayer between two and three times that in court delays, frivolous lawsuits, etc. When you add that to the idea that somebody making $10 an hour is paying taxes to subsidize the education of someone who is going to make >20 times that, I don't see anything wrong with cutting off state funding.

Not saying anything bad about attorneys. Just saying that I don't like having money taken from me forcibly to proliferate them.
 
2007-07-13 07:26:44 AM
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers...
 
2007-07-13 07:57:42 AM
Hate lawyers all you want...

...until you need one.

Then, when the pool of lawyers has been reduced by proposals like this one, and the price of a competent lawyer has skyrocketed accordingly, have fun finding and paying for someone to represent you.

Or, try to represent yourself, and watch yourself become the laughingstock of a court system that has absolutely no vested interest in assuring that you are treated fairly.

Either way, jailarity ensues.
 
2007-07-13 08:27:25 AM
Bah...said lawmaker is probably a lawyer himself. Maybe his business is drying up, so he wants to take some sharks out of the ocean.
 
2007-07-13 09:03:41 AM
FTFA:

"We don't need more ambulance chasers.

We don't need frivolous lawsuits.

And we don't need attorneys making people's lives miserable when they go to family court for divorces"



If the lawmaker is going to do a parody of Pink Floyd's "The Wall," he really needs to work on the meter of his lyrics.

Sorry, "frivolous" just doesn't scan.

Coming along nicely, though, aside from that. Looking forward to the finished version...
 
2007-07-13 09:05:09 AM
I say that it merits a "Hero" tag too.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Act IV, Scene II). William Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 2.
 
2007-07-13 09:18:48 AM
Ahhh, but what a lot of people don't understand is a lot of law school grads never really end up practicing law, or do so only for a limited time. An education in law can be a very valuable resource for business as well.

No longer practice law full-time, do very little of it in fact. Just offered the position of President of a non-profit organization.

BTW, the vast majority of lawyers never see the inside of a courtroom. Most of us practice in areas designed to help clients steer their way through the various myriads of mazes of government regulations and advise clients how to comply with and operate within the law so they do not violate the rights of others or run afoul of the numerous criminal and civil laws which apply to them.
 
2007-07-13 09:31:42 AM
The best you can say about lawyers is that they are a necessary evil. Over the years, any lawyer I've ever dealt with has been lazy, mostly clueless, arrogant, and devoid of ethics.

The conversations are always how we can twist the words of some statute around or how they haven't yet done what they were supposed to do or saying "Don't worry" while they do nothing substantive to prepare the case. Lawyers get paid to convince juries that the slut was asking for it because she showed some leg. And let's not forget that lawyerin' is the training ground for politics. I call it a gateway drug.

If you're a lawyer, I can see you defending your profession as noble but I happen to disagree. You're basically middlemen between the public and the very definition of bureaucracy, the court system. The best defense you can offer is the one I've seen a few post, which is that "We're better than you going to court by yourself!" Great. I guess the world needs proctologists too.
 
2007-07-13 09:35:01 AM
He forgot to carry on in his statement though "... we don't need any more attorneys to help people with bankruptcy, we don't need any more public defenders, we don't need any more prosecutors, we don't need any more tax attorneys, we don't need any more family law attorneys, we don't need any more judges, we don't need any more land-use attorneys, we don't need any more...."

Does this lawmakers honestly think that personal injury is the main focus of those in law school? I'm in law school now, and I can't say that there is anyone in my class who is raring to hang up his or her shingle to start chasing some ambulances. but there are a whole lot of people who are in school to learn a trade to go out and work in a challenging profession.

memphisto When you add that to the idea that somebody making $10 an hour is paying taxes to subsidize the education of someone who is going to make >20 times that, I don't see anything wrong with cutting off state funding.

Though there are some attorneys who make loads of money, many do not. Prosecutors and defenders around where I live have solid five figure jobs and tremendous caseloads, and the same goes for the attorneys in small to mid-sized firms. Even the attorneys who work at larger firms don't get paid tremendous amounts unless they are in the upper echelons.

Also, though an attorney may bill $200 an hour, you can bet that he or she will only see a fraction of that: if he or she is a solo practitioner, there is a lot of office overhead to come out of that (e.g. rent, utilities, secretary... anything one would need to run a business), and if that attorney is working for a firm, they take the cash, and dole out the salary afterward, as they too have overhead to maintain.
 
2007-07-13 09:41:15 AM
FTFA:

"We don't need more ambulance chasers.

We don't need frivolous lawsuits.

And we don't need attorneys making people's lives miserable when they go to family court for divorces"


Translation: My lawyer campaign contributors don't want to face competition from more lawyers.
 
2007-07-13 09:48:01 AM
Why are people acting surprised that an elected official is lacking in skills like, say, critical thinking?

The bar has been set pretty low lately.

www.fbesp.org
 
2007-07-13 10:00:48 AM
It's not the number of lawyers or the number of people bringing in frivolous lawsuits...it's the judges who don't, or aren't allowed to say "Get this ridiculous case out of my court" within 2 seconds of hearing the claim.

Plaintiff: "We are suing because McDonald's has made us fat".

Judge: "Fortunately for you, the exit doors are greased. Now GET OUT!"
 
2007-07-13 10:05:04 AM
Isn't this tossing the baby out with the bathwater? An old saying yes, but it means to throw away the good with the bad.

To stop frivolous lawsuits, this man's suggestion is to STOP EDUCATING THE PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN LAWS??!

Then in 15 years, when we need someone to fight the good fight. there won't be anyone qualified. That's forward thinking.

We should stop training mechanics too, because I keep getting overcharged? Or doctors, for pushing pharmacy products and outrageous fees? Since when does creating a monopoly, equate to the greater good? No matter what the field, there will always be people who abuse their access to the inner circle. Doctors, mechanics, carpenters and lawyers always charge more than is expected.

But just because they might abuse their proximity to the inner circle advantages, we should stop educating people to take their places? Questionable tactics indeed.

We could try instilling ethics, or at least an agreed upon code of conduct.. oh wait. Lawyers probably control that too. but we don't need anymore of those, do we.
 
2007-07-13 10:12:04 AM
Assymetric Haircut: Nice troll. And the "gateway drug" line, that was really witty!

But I do encourage you to represent yourself in court, you clearly know what you are talking about. And remember, if you are ever charged with something you actually did (like speeding or DUI for instance), make sure you volunteer to do the maximum time or pay the highest fine, because you wouldn't want to stoop so low as to twist words or laws around to your advantage.
 
2007-07-13 10:13:12 AM
illicit: Lawyers generally don't earn crap

I stopped reading right there.
 
2007-07-13 10:46:31 AM
The school receives only $2.5 million per year in state funding, or 10 percent of its $20 million budget.

Maybe they should spend the money on math programs instead?
 
2007-07-13 10:53:56 AM
I can see why the governor's office is speculating that this guy has an axe to grind with the law school. The overall amount of litigation may drop, but one law school is a drop in the bucket. Assuming that it would actually have an effect, what would happen?

Reduced numbers of lawyers will not necessarily reduce the amount of frivilous lawsuits compared to legitmate lawsuits.

It will reduce access to law school for those who are less able to pay, and thus reduce societal mobility and access to justice for all. It will lead to less qualified students being admitted because of (their partents) better ability to pay.

It will create higher legal fees when you do need a lawyer. It will reduce the quality of representation you're likely to get.
 
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