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(Some Guy)   Stupidest question asked by the MSM today: "How entrenched is organized crime in the Chicago area?"   (nwitimes.com) divider line 57
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2007-07-09 03:15:32 AM  
i204.photobucket.com
 
2007-07-09 03:49:18 AM  
You didn't see anything Subby.
 
2007-07-09 06:39:04 AM  
Remember children, You can get more done with a kind word and a gun, than you can with a kind word alone.
 
2007-07-09 06:40:34 AM  
crime? what crime?
 
2007-07-09 06:41:21 AM  
I would tell you but then I would have to kill you.
 
2007-07-09 06:43:24 AM  
"Organized crime...does not exist."
~J. Edgar Hoover.
 
2007-07-09 06:44:12 AM  
No worse than Florida?
/I agree with Mr.WiseNiceGuy
"What Crime, I didn't see nothing"
 
2007-07-09 06:44:26 AM  
oh, good
 
2007-07-09 06:50:00 AM  
Yah, because the best way to determine the extent of organized crime is to do a survey, and NOT ask an expert.

That's some real nice reporting there, Lou.
 
2007-07-09 06:51:57 AM  
Holy Makel Andy, what is that photo?

Are ya sayin the Makel Snappers are a racket?
 
2007-07-09 06:55:06 AM  
The article is incomplete. I didn't see Rod Blagojevich's name mentioned.
 
2007-07-09 06:58:30 AM  
I like how they print the full names and locations of the commenters too. Kinda looks like a hit list to me.
 
2007-07-09 07:00:45 AM  
Come on farkers, this is an interesting topic. if this was Iraq/Transformers/religion/boobies thread we would be up to 100 responses by now!

/got nothing
//ask jimmy the squealer
 
LSK
2007-07-09 07:02:23 AM  
I don't like the stereotype that Chicago is still a hotbed for organized crime. Al Capone is DEAD - get over it, news media.

/As is Elvis
//but that never stopped anyone
 
2007-07-09 07:13:25 AM  
retrocrush.buzznet.com

/ "There is no Mafia ...."
 
2007-07-09 07:17:42 AM  
...you listen to tony, there ain't no freakin' thing that we do.
 
2007-07-09 07:18:39 AM  
home.att.net
 
2007-07-09 07:27:48 AM  
submitter: "How entrenched is organized crime in the Chicago area?"

Not as much as Washington?
 
2007-07-09 07:45:37 AM  
The Mob is pervasive in Chicagoland (hell they used to RUN Cicero until Betty Loren Maltese turned out to be dumber than advertised), But they stayed that way by (unlike the New York Families) staying out of the spotlight and being largely invisible to the ordinary citizen. One of the highlights of my Law school career was getting to observe a real, old school mob trial (bonus: it involved the brother of the used car king of Chicago).


What made it so interesting was not the tria itself which was pretty standard, but the fact that the other student assigned to observe it with me was a nice older guy who made no secret of the fact that until a long stint in federal prison , he used to be a member of the Chicago families.

Before that trial, I had always been a little skeptical of that claim and assumed that 3/4 of what he told me was utter BS. However, that trial boriught out a who's who of the Chicago underwold and my buddy got an amazing number of nods, handshakes, shoulder squeezes, double hand clasps, and winks by guys in very shiny , very expensive suits wearing a few more rings that you might think stictly necessary.

Let's just say I was a lot less skeptical after that
 
2007-07-09 07:46:25 AM  
submitter: "How entrenched is organized crime in the Chicago area?"

As gangs, not nearly what it was in the past.

Most of them gave it up and became politicians. now they get elected by the general public to run their operations .
 
2007-07-09 07:46:33 AM  
Organized crime in Chicago as well as the rest of the country acts as the legal system for those who can not or will not call the cops when they have been victims.

If someone steals your shipment of weed you cannot call the cops or you will end up on FARK.
 
2007-07-09 07:55:46 AM  
Magorn

Used to be a member? I thought there was no getting out.
 
2007-07-09 07:56:42 AM  
one dollar in, two dollars out. as the saying goes.

i call BS too.
 
2007-07-09 08:06:45 AM  
"How entrenched is organized crime in the Chicago area?"

As long as somebody named Daley is in the government then organized crime is in full control. Why the FBI doesn't clean the place out is a continual mystery.
 
2007-07-09 08:16:57 AM  
Nathan Farr: Magorn

Used to be a member? I thought there was no getting out.


which is one of the reasons I didn't really believe him until that trial; but it became clear to me that not only had he been a memeber, he'd been a somebody once upon a when. I know that he got his GED, and his BA behind bars, and for whatever reason when he told them he was walking, nobody gave him any grief. Never asked him the fulll story because as he said about a few things "probably safer you don't know..."

His experience made him, far and away, the best criminal defense attorney I'd ever seen. His felony convictions almost prevented him from getting his license but eventually he found a state where they weren't an automatic DQ, and is now working as a Public defender
 
2007-07-09 08:17:35 AM  
Nathan Farr: Used to be a member? I thought there was no getting out.

That is what I was thinking, that guy had better ask someone else to start his car for him.
 
2007-07-09 08:44:05 AM  
As someone who lives here, I think it's safe to say that corruption and graft are huge parts of Daley's administration and Blago's Springfield. Given the number of ridiculously blatant graft schemes and Federal indictments, that's not really a revelation.

However, Chicago is so spotless you can eat off the streets. The public platers are filled with flowers and healthy trees. The lakefront is meticulously maintained, safe as the suburbs and packed with people having a good time. Violent crime is close to an all-time low. Cabrini and Robert Taylor are gone. The economy is booming, companies are begging to relocate here. The streets are ridiculously well maintained given our harsh winters. The public facilities are better than any other US city (Lincoln Park Zoo, Shedd, Grant Park, Millennium Park etc anyone?). The 'burbs have terrific schools and are safer than safe.

Yes without the corruption our taxes may be slightly lower but I'm not sure it would be better run. Say what you want about organized crime... they sure know how to take care of business.
 
2007-07-09 09:01:27 AM  
Torgo: As someone who lives here, I think it's safe to say that corruption and graft are huge parts of Daley's administration and Blago's Springfield. Given the number of ridiculously blatant graft schemes and Federal indictments, that's not really a revelation.

However, Chicago is so spotless you can eat off the streets. The public platers are filled with flowers and healthy trees. The lakefront is meticulously maintained, safe as the suburbs and packed with people having a good time. Violent crime is close to an all-time low. Cabrini and Robert Taylor are gone. The economy is booming, companies are begging to relocate here. The streets are ridiculously well maintained given our harsh winters. The public facilities are better than any other US city (Lincoln Park Zoo, Shedd, Grant Park, Millennium Park etc anyone?). The 'burbs have terrific schools and are safer than safe.

Yes without the corruption our taxes may be slightly lower but I'm not sure it would be better run. Say what you want about organized crime... they sure know how to take care of business.


I've always said that my three years in Chicago were an object lesson what it's like to live under a benevolent dictator. Yeah he's corrupt and autocratic, but he runs a DAMN fine city, with non-pareil Public transportation, incredible public parks, and great services for kids...
 
2007-07-09 09:02:07 AM  
Today it seems that organized crime has taken on a whole new meaning.

Organized protests of our government have been actively criminilized by the current administration.
 
2007-07-09 09:02:53 AM  
agree with torgo

but if you are talking entrenchment it's like this:
local,city and state politics
God knows how many judges and cops
construction companies
vending machine companies
street gang "operation fees"
every flavor of white collar crime
etc.
 
2007-07-09 09:07:47 AM  
One word: very
/is from the "Chicago area"
//is in on the joke that "the Chicago area" refers to Illinois in its entirety
 
2007-07-09 09:22:55 AM  
I wouldn't say, as Rob't McCormick called it, 'Chicagoland,' is all of Illinois, there is the farm belt surrounded by Peoria, and there is Egypt, which is as corrupt as Chicago, but more rural. It does, however, encompass parts of Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan. Rockford represents the western boundary.
 
2007-07-09 09:28:30 AM  
I don't know nuttin' 'bout nuttin'.
 
2007-07-09 09:39:10 AM  
My family is from E. Chicago and the stories of the flappers in the family, the cops on the Dillinger case, etc... It seems that back in the day, especially around the Cal City area, it was just part of life that was much more open than it is now.

/Don't go to E. Chicago without small arms training anymore
 
2007-07-09 09:45:58 AM  
On the other hand, name one major city where organized crime ISN'T deeply entrenched in one way or another.

/No, Phoenix doesn't count.
 
2007-07-09 09:59:25 AM  
Well my Italian descended friend's uncle was the mayor of Cal City and got his very own federal indictment a few years ago. Now whether he was really "in on it" or just a poseur, I don't know. But from that personal anecdote, I'd say it's pretty prevalent. And while the city center is lovely (though someone needs to donate some money, stat, to the Museum of Science and Industry for some updates) there are some fairly skeevy areas south-side that some of us bedroom community dwellers have to go through to get to the nice stuff.

/still think it is nicer than D.C. and would move back in a heartbeat if I could find a job I liked as much.
 
2007-07-09 10:01:56 AM  
As a former subscriber of the NWI Times, I'm not surprised that they'd have something like this. Dumbest paper ever. Anyways
there's no mafia or anything like that, just a collection of honest businessmen who are friends with other honest businessmen and teamster union heads.
 
2007-07-09 10:26:45 AM  
Simple answer to subby's/MSM's question.
There is no Chicago without organized crime.
It's so thoroughly integrated that you can't buy a paper or a meal or get a ride on public transportation, let alone live there without someone in the families getting a cut of the action.
 
2007-07-09 10:26:56 AM  
Too bad most of the people who answered that question aren't even in the city of Chicago.
 
2007-07-09 10:54:58 AM  
there is no such thing as the mafia
 
2007-07-09 11:21:06 AM  
ladykills82: Too bad most of the people who answered that question aren't even in the city of Chicago.

If you think that The Outfit is only located within the Chicago city limits, you've got another thing coming. They like the suburbs just as much as the other suburbanites out there.

Cicero anyone?

/Was born in Chicago Heights, yeah, no organized crime ever existed in that burb ....
 
2007-07-09 11:34:11 AM  
Is organized crime better or worse than disorganized crime?
 
2007-07-09 11:43:02 AM  
Organized>Disorganized
because
Mafia>Gangbangers

Live here, haven't had to really deal with either types yet. At least that I was aware of...
 
2007-07-09 12:01:50 PM  
"How entrenched is organized crime in the Chicago area?"

Very much: 2%
Somewhat: 1%
A little: 1%
Not at all: 3%
I don't know nothin' 'bout nobody. Capisce?: 93%
 
2007-07-09 01:31:04 PM  
signaljammer: I wouldn't say, as Rob't McCormick called it, 'Chicagoland,' is all of Illinois, there is the farm belt surrounded by Peoria, and there is Egypt, which is as corrupt as Chicago, but more rural. It does, however, encompass parts of Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan. Rockford represents the western boundary.

That's why this is referred to as a joke. It's more of a political statement than anything else. BTW Rockford is a nice city and gets a bad rap. Or at least it used to.
 
2007-07-09 01:58:44 PM  
Way to ask a bunch of suburbanites.
 
2007-07-09 02:55:03 PM  
Because no one in the suburbs would know, of course.
It's not like any suburbanites work in the city or anything. I mean, Chicago is an entity all to itself, the suburbs have no connection whatsoever. Surely there isn't corruption and organized crime outside of city limits *koffkoffblagokoffkoff*
Why that would be preposterous.

/*le gasp
//well, i've exercised my sarcasm muscle for the day
///that was a stupid question to ask, though the answers are amusing.
 
2007-07-09 03:34:08 PM  
Organized crime is SO entrenched that if all the criminals leave, the city will fall down and totally cease to function. This would also take out the 'burbs since that's where the more successful criminals live.
 
2007-07-09 03:52:38 PM  
framitz: Organized crime is SO entrenched that if all the criminals leave, the city will fall down and totally cease to function. This would also take out the 'burbs since that's where the more successful criminals live.

This is actually probably true. If even 10% of New Jersey's strip clubs and solid waste management companies are mob-owned, then getting rid of the mob would eliminate...

...let me do the math here...

10% of New Jersey's total economy.
 
2007-07-09 05:36:18 PM  
Ah, the Northwest Indiana Times.

My dog won't even piss on it.
 
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