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(Daily Mail)   Live Earth concerts: artists flight distance = 222,623.63 miles, carbon emissions produced by all concerts = 31,500 tons, carbon emissions including TV audience = 74,500 tons, hypocrisy = off the scale   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 359
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2007-07-07 02:45:53 PM  
I'm a beliver

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2007-07-07 02:50:08 PM  
Shostie:

I seem to remember that there is more to the federal government than the executive branch. Or did you fail social studies in elementary school?

No kidding?

Did the school you went to also teach you which branch of the Federal Government was in charge of foreign policy and the intelligence (read dirty tricks) organizations?

That's some special school you went to there snookums.
Did they have Olympics there and everything?
www.boozallen.com.au
 
2007-07-07 02:50:24 PM  
FriarTuck: Stupid Guitar: Global warming IS happening, man IS the cause of it,

Global warming is happening. The earth has gotten about 1 degree hotter since we've started taking measurements.

With the elimination of many herd-thinning diseases, we have more people.

The answer is, what do you plan to do about it? It will have to be by force, as most of the world is undeveloped or developing.

Stupid Guitar:and our economy will be crippled if things keep going the way they are going.

-Please elaborate.


/oh god say peak oil...


OMG LET'S ALL PANIC!!! One degree since we started measuring...what 110 years ago? The arrogance of these people believing that this has never happened before! Who says we weren't 7 degrees warmer 1000 years ago?

And why should I believe a thermometer from 115 years ago??? Technology back then wasn't all that great. Are the rest of you still using 8 track players & Edisonphones? GMAB!
 
2007-07-07 02:52:18 PM  
Random Reality Check: glassa,

That's some pretty powerful heap of dumb you got there.

Al Gore's pocketbook keeps getting stuffed because of his work in Global Climate Change?

You wouldn't be able to dig up any documentation to back that claim, now would you big boy?


Are you really so naive to think he's NOT making money off all this? He DOES own stock in that carbon offset company. Oh, and then there's this little propaganda movie.

Follow the money.
 
2007-07-07 02:55:04 PM  
I always though that Gore was a hypocrite when I found out that he wasn't living in a cardboard box on the side of the road.

farking hypocrite.
 
2007-07-07 02:55:55 PM  
Farnn: Glassa: 4) Global climate change isn't happening and yet all these do-gooder conmen accomplish is getting our taxes even higher and Al Gore's pocketbook keeps getting stuffed because of the dumbasses who believe his every word.

That's the one thing everyone should agree on though. I don't think there is anyone who is involved in the global warming debate who thinks that global climate change isn't happening. The point of contention is what the cause is.


Ok, fine. Global Climate change is happening. But it's been happening since the beginning of time. The only thing that's changed is the arrogance of humans.
Change is constant.
I supposed humans caused the Ice Age. And humans caused the end of the Ice Age too.

Oh, I forgot...CO2. Too bad we all exhale it. Too bad plants have to have it to live. So, how many people should we kill to lower the CO2 levels?
 
2007-07-07 02:56:27 PM  
Say what you will about the concerts, but all those bassists playing "Big Bottom" is hilarious.
 
2007-07-07 02:57:10 PM  
Lackadaisical: Say what you will about the concerts, but all those bassists playing "Big Bottom" is hilarious.

Really? Man, I gotta find this somewhere!
 
2007-07-07 02:59:37 PM  
I don't know if anybody has raised this point yet, but unless they flew on private jets to the concerts they are actually being more carbon efficient by further filling flights that would travel a given route whether or not these concerts were happening.

But hey, don't let this get in the way of your railing against dem der evil Librils.
 
2007-07-07 03:01:47 PM  
glassa:

OMG LET'S ALL PANIC!!! One degree since we started measuring...what 110 years ago? The arrogance of these people believing that this has never happened before! Who says we weren't 7 degrees warmer 1000 years ago?

And why should I believe a thermometer from 115 years ago??? Technology back then wasn't all that great. Are the rest of you still using 8 track players & Edisonphones? GMAB!


Good God that is just incredibly nearly unfathomably ignorant!

You have no concept of what you're talking about, do you?

The measurement is one degree average - this does not mean one degree everywhere evenly distributed. In fact, some places will even get colder, you know, due to different weather patterns. Add to that the change in ocean currents, wind patterns and rainfall to get a better picture of what is really happening. And that doesn't even begin to account for the fact that we have seen a 33% decrease in the amount of sunlight reaching the earth in the last half century due to Global Dimming (also known as particulate pollution) and that is causing problems you probably couldn't even begin to comprehend - based on the rest of the ignorant crap you posted above.

As to your assertions that Al Gore is getting rich of his work in Global Climate Change, you really don't have any proof that this is the case, do you? All speculation based on the same inability to form a clear thought while at the same time making up your own reality.

You'd better pray Intelligent Design is real - otherwise I'd be really concerned about Darwin, if I was you.
 
2007-07-07 03:06:33 PM  
what is actually the goal of this concert?
 
2007-07-07 03:07:04 PM  
'Live Earth concerts: artists flight distance = 222,623.63 miles, carbon emissions produced by all concerts = 31,500 tons, carbon emissions including TV audience = 74,500 tons, hypocrisy = off the scale'


Smug, arrogant, liberal hypocrites - every one.

/and it took 'big oil' to make it all happen too...
 
2007-07-07 03:09:46 PM  
glassa:
Ok, fine. Global Climate change is happening. But it's been happening since the beginning of time. The only thing that's changed is the arrogance of humans.
Change is constant.
I supposed humans caused the Ice Age. And humans caused the end of the Ice Age too.


You do know that meteor impact and/or volcanic eruptions have caused these problems, right? Ever heard of eighteen hundred and froze to death? No, I'm sure you haven't.

Yes, climate change has been going on pretty much since the beginning of the planet, that is a given - but that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about the impact mankind has in the last half millennium, cutting down continents that used to be covered by trees, burning an ocean of oil, etc.

Oh, I forgot...CO2. Too bad we all exhale it. Too bad plants have to have it to live. So, how many people should we kill to lower the CO2 levels?

It isn't the Co2 you blithering idiot - why the heck do you uneducated morans focus on that. Co2 isn't even a large part of the problem, particulate pollution is - if you can grasp that concept. In fact, the contrails you see from jets flying over also have an impact, as we discovered when 911 happened - but you probably didn't hear about that either - too bad AM talk radio didn't fill you in.

Being ignorant take motivation to cure - being lazy can be a lifetime affliction.

Take your pick.
 
2007-07-07 03:12:07 PM  
Dinki: Yes they should all never leave home, just to show how eco-conscious they are.

Straw man FTW!
 
2007-07-07 03:13:21 PM  
glassa: Follow the money.

Always good advice.

Here is the money being made by polluters:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Here is the money being made by global warming activists:

$
 
2007-07-07 03:16:15 PM  
Subby and his mates can fark off and die.

There is plenty of valid criticism you can aim at the environmental movement, but "consuming" in the process of holding events to promote awareness isn't one of them.

Remember 5 years ago, when many right wing politicians denied there even was global warming? Now they're acknowledging it's a problem, and making vague noises about doing something about it. If it wasn't for the greenies and people like Gore helping to convince voters that this issue needs to be taken seriously, nothing would ever get done.

Nitpicking over how much energy or carbon the pro environment movement uses is the height of dickery. It's going to be government policy and solutions on a macro level that solve global warming, not how much Co2 greenpeace produces when they hold a musical circle jerk.
 
2007-07-07 03:17:28 PM  
skipjack

Curious if the fairness doctrine supporters will allow for the same type of prime time program to rebut all the BS that is certain to flow from these idiots.

I'm thinking no.


Someone's been watching John Gibson. Way to parrot the talking points. So does this mean that you're now in favor of the fairness doctrine?
 
2007-07-07 03:17:30 PM  
Arnold T Pants

I think that gray area to the right of the posted comments should have the definitions of all the known logical fallacies
 
2007-07-07 03:18:40 PM  
Ok, climate change: There is no doubt that it is happening. No doubt. You can put it down to the human-caused theory, or the one about regular cyclical change. But, there is also no doubt that we're having a negative impact on the world.

Maybe you don't believe that cars (amongst other things) are causing the greenhouse effect, but they are causing some nasty local effects. Go to LA if you don't believe me, London as well. We're causing mass extinction of hundreds of animals. You can put it down to Darwin, survival of the fittest if you will, but you'd be an idiot and a douche (sorry for the insults, but saying screw the elephants, orang outangs etc. is selfish beyond words), we've progressed far beyond SoF, we've come farther than any other animal could dream of.

This makes us responsible for the damage we do. Pollution of rivers, the Great Lakes dying, the list goes on and on. So we can argue forever about this global warming thing, maybe it's true (I think it is to some extent, but that's just me), maybe it's not, but the arguing is distracting us from the FACT that we're screwing up, and screwing up badly. That's irrefutable. I'm not a greenie-extremist, but I am concerned that this polemic is distracting us from making a real difference.

Maybe we're running the planet into the ground, well, the segment of the planet that allows us and most other animals to live; it's probably unavoidable now, but there's so much we could do to slow it down and extend our tenure on this world. The constant bickering, stupid pop-concerts and soforth really aren't helping.

Just do your bit, recycle what you can, don't drive a mostly empty SUV on an unecessary trip to Wal-Mart, don't drop your trash on the ground (that drives me nuts!), pressure mass manufacturers to cut down on unecessary bloody packaging, take your own bags to the supermarket so they don't waste millions of carrier bags, etc. etc. It doesn't take a great deal of effort.

Ignore Al Gore if you will, he is a massive douchebag after all, but don't deny that we're hurting our enviroment badly. Course we won't destroy the planet, it's a bit too big for that, but we could seriously shorten our time on it, and certainly make it less comfortable and interesting to live on.
 
2007-07-07 03:20:34 PM  
Have the LIBS suck it yet, I don't have time to read all the comments.
 
2007-07-07 03:28:44 PM  
glassa: So, how many people should we kill to lower the CO2 levels?

not building any more coal fired power plants and shuttering all existing ones within 25 years would do very well with C02 levels. Just replace the coal fired power plants with vastly superior and cleaner nuke plants.
 
2007-07-07 03:33:04 PM  
And before some smartass points out that saving carrier-bags isn't going to "Save teh Whales", I'm well aware of that. But there are charities whose work it is to put pressure on whaling-nations, to help protect endangered animals (and not just the cute ones), give them a few cents, pennies or pesos, depending on where you're from. Maybe they're not as important as the guys who work to protect endangered children, true, but compared to our close ancestors we're all rich beyond the dreams of averice, so drop a couple of quid, bucks etc. into both; it's not going to hurt you. Leave Al Gore and his twattishness out of it, we don't need some self-aggrandising multi-millionaire to tell us how to do it.
 
2007-07-07 04:01:52 PM  
The politicians aren't acknowledging GW because anything's been proven. They're doing it to get votes from the gullible idiots that believe in it like Muzzies believe in jihad.

You really think Al Gore believes in that shiat? Obviously not enough to change his lifestyle to stop it. Same with all these performers this weekend. They are on stage to get you granolas to buy more CDs, and GW is only the latest schtick they are using to sucker you in.
 
2007-07-07 04:02:50 PM  
Global warming event: A one time increase in carbon emmissions to lessen carbon emmissions = bad.

Iraq war: A prolonged increase in killing to stop killing = good.

That about right?

/selective retard outrage ftw
//the Iraq argument is probably crap anyway
 
2007-07-07 04:05:07 PM  
Limousine liberals are the worst.
 
2007-07-07 04:10:42 PM  
Submitter, you are an acehole.
 
2007-07-07 04:14:25 PM  
Al Gore's last name is GORE! He can't stand for ANYTHING good!

Seriously, it's a short-term hit for a hopeful long-term gain. Gore isn't stupid. He's not one of those sign-holding weenies with idiot ideas like hemp-powered cars. He's figured this stuff out. If he didn't think this concert was going to result in people reducing carbon emissions by at LEAST that much, the concert never would have been held.

It is more of a valid criticism than I usually see, though. Most of the time the critics make me wonder what on Earth going green is hurting, other than a pocketbook or two. Besides, green is hot these days. Any company that gets serious about going green, or even looks like they are, stands to make a lot of money.
 
2007-07-07 04:16:38 PM  
I can feel the temperature falling already.
 
2007-07-07 04:22:02 PM  
So there are these things called "concerts" happening? That's something new, right? And, let me get this straight here... they're not merely about entertainment and profits, they're trying to "raise awareness" for a "cause" while they're at it?

Why that's just wrong! Wrong WRONG WRONG!!! I am positively incensed and outraged at this idea! How can so much evil exist in this world??? Oh God, save us from this blight upon humanity! This is the worst thing EVAR!!!
 
2007-07-07 04:27:36 PM  
Considering that in the end, all life on Earth will die out and the memory of humanity will fade into oblivion, I almost hope that we do encounter some sort of disaster scenario as a result of our gluttonous consumption habits (of which I am not exempt). While it would cause great discomfort in my own life, it would force people to accept the realities that exist outside of themselves. Namely, that there's only one planet, and caring about childish things like countries, the "economy," possessions, and all that selfish nonsense only served to speed up our inevitable extinction.
 
2007-07-07 04:34:29 PM  
The_Sponge

Limousine liberals are the worst


This is why the GOP has been slapping around the democrats. They don't have cool buzz words and sound bites. Some of my favorites are "shock and awe", "card carrying member of the ACLU", "Cut and Run", and "I'm the decider".
 
2007-07-07 04:40:33 PM  
uh huh. bye, fark.

/had it
 
2007-07-07 04:43:58 PM  
I'm not a big believer in the whole "Global Warming" issue.
1st: Scientists can't agree on it. How is a poilitician going to be an "expert" on this when scientists can't.


In much the same way scientists couldn't agree that smoking caused cancer because some scientists where being paid by tobacco in much the same way the nay sayers are being paid by oil companies. When Florida is underwater it wont matter.

2: Our universe is shrinking. This means we are closer to the sun than a hundred years ago. Our planet is going to get hotter, as a result.

The Universe is expanding!

3. Our sun does occasionaly shoot out sun flares. These flares will hit the earth...takes time...hence another reason why our planet is warming.

Did you do any research before you wrote this, do you know what sun spots and sun flares actually are and what they do exactly. I suggest you go away and read about them and then chop off your reproductive organs.

4. Majority of issues Al Gore has discussed in his movie have already been exposed as flawed.

See the answer to 1.

I see why you are not a big believer in the "Global Warming" issue. The good news is that in 50-100 years when Half of New York and Florida are under water your opinions wont matter because youll be dead.
 
2007-07-07 04:50:02 PM  
Is this really the kind of stupid shiat the Right is desperately clinging to now?

It's like saying that if you march for Labor rights, you're a hypocrite because you're "laboring" when you walk.

In case you retards haven't noticed, most of the country doesn't believe a damn thing that comes out of your whorish corporate cocksuckers anymore. It doesn't take a genius to realize that the Right has been Wrong about almost everything. And that they lie as a matter of course.

We'll take scientists over corporate shillwhores, thanks the same though.

Sorry that Progress is so damned progessive...
 
2007-07-07 04:57:40 PM  
Those who are mentally capable of seeing past the lies of al gore know not only about global warming, but know what gore's true agenda is. It's unfortunate, with the net & all the info out there, more are suckered into the new hippie movement.
 
2007-07-07 04:58:09 PM  
A hippie with a trash-bag raincoat came to my door yesterday asking for my support in e-waste take back legislation. Specifically, to lobby my congressman to defend the state's legislation against federal undermining.

So I gave him five bucks, a bottle of water, and hand-copied their form letter, though I did change it to include supporting stem cell research and net neutrality, ending the war and impeaching Cheney and Bush. Hope the 39 cent stamp gets it there.

//Hooray for me!
 
2007-07-07 05:06:49 PM  
Pumpsnatch: more are suckered into the new hippie movement.

So tell me, why is it better to keep building coal fired power plants instead of building more nuke plants?

/sometimes it's just about chemistry and physics and nothing else
 
2007-07-07 05:13:29 PM  
928 4 Life: "It's like saying that if you march for Labor rights, you're a hypocrite because you're "laboring" when you walk."

-----------------

Actually, I'd say it's more like showing up to a UAW strike driving a Toyota.
 
2007-07-07 05:16:33 PM  
WhyteRaven74, I'm actually for more nuke plants. The french seems to have revolutionized the way they are built & their designs seem more efficient & safer. I agree, coal fired plants in todays world make little sense. China opens 1-2 new ones every week.
 
2007-07-07 05:18:50 PM  
So if we stop having live Earth concerts, and stop talking about anthropogenic climate change the problem will go away right?



www.natural-health-information-centre.com
 
2007-07-07 05:24:55 PM  
None of this will do a bit of good. It's the Sun that causes climate change. Hotter Sun = Hotter Earth.

Now go pick up some garbage if you want to clean up the Earth. I do.

/Global warming alarmists may now make fun of me and call me names
//Sticks and stones
 
2007-07-07 05:29:22 PM  
ipsofacto: A hippie with a trash-bag raincoat came to my door yesterday asking for my support in e-waste take back legislation. Specifically, to lobby my congressman to defend the state's legislation against federal undermining.

So I gave him five bucks, a bottle of water, and hand-copied their form letter, though I did change it to include supporting stem cell research and net neutrality, ending the war and impeaching Cheney and Bush. Hope the 39 cent stamp gets it there.

//Hooray for me!


I have some bad news for you buddy...
 
2007-07-07 05:29:59 PM  
its been about 3 months since the sky was blue here in the little nook where i live. I would try to fall in love with the lovely shade of gray brown that it now is, but that and the lack of rainfall, 3 digit temperatures and forest fires are kind of distracting me. excuse me while i go hoe the dirt that used to be my garden.

...farking anti-eco terrorists...say there is no global warming...sheesh...you would think instead of trying to bash Gore they would at least try to do something to help the environment. what ARE they doing other than criticizing?
 
2007-07-07 05:31:08 PM  
Pumpsnatch:

Those who are mentally capable of seeing past the lies of al gore know not only about global warming, but know what gore's true agenda is. It's unfortunate, with the net & all the info out there, more are suckered into the new hippie movement.


But of course you wouldn't dream of sharing any of the details here, would you? Not when it's so much easier for your mental capabilities to just throw some innuendoed claptrap up instead, I reckon.
 
2007-07-07 05:37:30 PM  
This smog sure beats haveing clean air to breathe. I eagerly anticipate increased bacterial and viral infections of the respiratory tract, and even more frequent incidence of cancer, asthma, and emphysema. Soldier on pollution enthusiasts! Al Gore whoop whoop!
 
2007-07-07 05:37:59 PM  
Zalan: Interesting fact, they just announced that the stages and decorations are made of recycled items, now that I look at them, the decorations behind the actors are the tops of oil cans, they are using low energy flourescent bulbs, recycled tires for something, and the plates and cups are bio degradable corn based plastics.

I guess that's to offset *snicker* the amount of carbon based energy that will be used for travel to the respective venues:

The most conservative assessment of the flights being taken by its superstars is that they are flying an extraordinary 222,623.63 miles between them to get to the various concerts - nearly nine times the circumference of the world. The true environmental cost, as they transport their technicians, dancers and support staff, is likely to be far higher.

The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of carbon emissions, according to John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com, who specialises in such calculations.


Whoa! That's going to take a large order of light bulbs and cups to offset *snicker* that much energy!
 
2007-07-07 05:42:21 PM  
Rovian: This smog sure beats haveing clean air to breathe. I eagerly anticipate increased bacterial and viral infections of the respiratory tract, and even more frequent incidence of cancer, asthma, and emphysema. Soldier on pollution enthusiasts!

As noted above (and in the article) the artists and organizers are working very hard to make your dream a reality.
 
2007-07-07 05:45:39 PM  
Good evening Wimbledon!!
 
2007-07-07 05:53:47 PM  
I'm sure everything's already been said, but I'm going to throw my voice into the mix too.

Sometimes the "so and so is trying to save the environment but they let off X amount of GHGs" argument works, sometimes it doesn't.

When it's someone having to take a flight in order to spread the work of environmental protection to people who will probably learn something, then the argument doesn't work.

But that's not the case here. This concert isn't going to make people care about the earth any more. It's going to make people think, "I can continue living an extravagant lifestyle just like all the celebrities, as long as I talk about environmental protection a lot."

If the people running this concert cared about the earth, they would trade in their mansions for reasonable houses.

You can't save the earth by throwing money at it, you have to make sacrifices, which is something the people throwing, and the a lesser extent attending this concert, can't grasp.
 
2007-07-07 05:57:22 PM  
The Reverend Smith

As noted above (and in the article) the artists and organizers are working very hard


I doubt that when climate scientists are collecting data for their statistics and mathematical models they will include the numbers from live earth and Al Gores house. Just a hunch. It would seem to me that these numbers are several degrees of magnitude away from the larger more frequent, and significant sources of climate changing emissions.
 
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