Friar Tuck - GM is bringing the Opel Astra here as a 2008 Saturn Astra

67 Beetle: GM is bringing the Opel Astra here as a 2008 Saturn Astra

cool. I might have to pick one up on resale in a few years. Are they bringing over a diesel or a hybrid? I heard GM had been working kinda hard on that...

FriarTuck: I think you're being had by raerae. The reference is to an old Twilight Zone where the early moved closer to the sun, causing deadly global warming.

Maybe he thought it was a documentary.

binnster: Maybe he thought it was a documentary.

Enlightenment-Apply directly to the brain.

rush22: Calling someone a hypocrite is classic trolling fark behavior.

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FTFY

67 Beetle: I looked at edmunds and it looks like the Astra is only coming here in 140 hp 1-4 form. No low emissions diesel and no hybrid. Boo.

A hatchback/wagon is the best alternative to an suv for me. I drive a Ford Expedition now but that's the equivalent of driving an oldsmobile 442 right before they switched to unleaded. Fun as all hell but not exactly practical. (MMM...muddin). Luckily I drive maybe a 100 miles a week.

Friar Tuck - I don't believe they are planning the Saturn Astras to be hybrid or diesel (at least, I haven't heard about any, unfortunately). I believe they have the hybrid SUV and hybrid sedan (VUE and Aura), but I'm still waiting on them to come out with something that gets a good 50-60 mpg. Whether that will be a 2009 Astra?...

Why do so many of you tow the Republican party line instead listening to the actual scientists who study this shiat?

It's a great relief to find that I've been had by a clever troll. I'd hate to think that stupidity that dense existed in the wild.

One aspect of this whole debate is the willfull refusal to understand the science behind climate change and energy sources on both sides. I have grown very tired of the Luddite segment of the left that refuses to examine the benefits of nuclear power. If we're going to tackle anthropogenic climate change, then we have to look at all the alternatives. Nuclear power is clean and safe, and we have enough material to fuel reactors.

Partisan: Why do so many of you tow the Republican party line instead listening to the actual scientists who study this shiat?

Because everyone knows that the Academic world is nothing but a bunch of godless leebralls who must be ignored.
That's why my kid is home schooled. I want to isolate him from all those evil teachers and satanic ideas found in books which should be burned.

BorgiaGinz: I have grown very tired of the Luddite segment of the left that refuses to examine the benefits of nuclear power.

Who, exactly. "The left" is pretty vague.

FriarTuck: you're just sore because we bought Jaguar and now they have 44 oz cupholders and working electronics.

Hehe, sorry to be sarky at you, I just loathe SUVs, had too many asses damn near run me off the road in the US in those things, they seem to have a "small cars don't exist" attitude. Plus most people just don't need a vehicle that big! I say most, for all I know you mave have to load up 7 kids or something, I don't know, joys of an internet forum.

As for Jags, yer welcome, they were shiate. I'd drive a Bentley or a BMW given the chance.

FWIW, I would never have an SUV in europe. I've lived there. The roads are just too narrow. If I bought a big car I'd be a touring wagon or something similar. I drove an opel astra wagon for a few weeks one time and liked it. I was hoping GM would bring the opel here but it never happened.

Nooo, and too many twats have them over here and it creates chaos. Several of them trying to manouver in a city street, ugh. Simple answer, don't treat the wife's vagina as a clown-car and one won't need an SUV. Sorted. People over here, (and mostly in the States) only do it to show off anyway. My dad in law had a massive truck a few years back, but only 'cos he needed it to haul shiate about a lot. Soon as he didn't he got a tiny wee thing (LOL), a Ford I think but I have no idea what, and now he's chuffed as fark because the thing has actual steering! Manouverability FTW...

Jesus Christ in a hand-basket....i'm apolitical and generally wary of both conservatives and liberals, but damn you leftists sure annoying little biatches! So loud and self-righteous - almost mirror images of your sworn enemies, the dreaded neo-cons, but more annoying in your own smugness and sense of self importance.

Why don't you all just STFU and let the good people of the world get on with things [i.e. those of us who genuinely ARE making a difference like scientists and the like].

adadkbar93: I am sorry, but I lost respect for these hypocrites when I walked through parking lots at Giants Stadium filled with trash (most recyclable) piled up NEXT TO cars with bumper stickers like "SUVs: The real terrorists." Meanwhile, the trash, glass, and cans bins are like 50 ft. away from these idiots--who, after whatever crunchy show they were at, end up running over their shiat while trying to speed away from the lots only to IDLE emissions into traffic for hours on the turnpike.


So you are sure that the people going into whatever event they were at were the ones who littered? and why did your better than thou self not pick up some of the trash yourself?

I sure do hope global warming increases a lot. I love hearing the arguments.

damn you leftists sure annoying little biatches! So loud and self-righteous
Why don't you all just STFU

Good plan for the Democrats to follow:

STFU

/because sitting back and taking it in the ass is such a winning strategy...

Partisan: Why do so many of you tow the Republican party line instead listening to the actual scientists who study this shiat?

Cause Rush told me that us humans could not harm the earth even if we tried to...

Raskolnikov's Angst: Why don't you all just STFU and let the good people of the world get on with things [i.e. those of us who genuinely ARE making a difference like scientists and the like].

And when these scientists advocate fundamental changes in global energy use, should the 'leftists' STFU then too?

The whole attack the messenger and ignore the message is so typical of conservative scraps. The number they quote for miles flown seems excessively high, unless they somehow figured out that every member of every entourage flew over in a private jet alone.

Partisan 2007-07-07 01:36:45 PM
BorgiaGinz: I have grown very tired of the Luddite segment of the left that refuses to examine the benefits of nuclear power.

Who, exactly. "The left" is pretty vague.

The people on my side of the aisle, very generally speaking. I don't expect much from the Bushies because they are dimwitted twerps, to a man. However, the people who support the issues I do (equal rights for gay people, environmental responsiblity, ending the war in Iraq) ought to know better, yet, in their own way, they often spout some truly uninformed tripe. The progressive movement incorporates idiots who are anti-vaccination because they think an ingredient causes autism, who oppose nuclear power plants, who think that the Earth is a living being, who think that SUVs are causing global warming, and other assorted nonsense.

I would like to see more science literacy and more rational thought injected into the issues by both sides, so that we can fix the problem before it's too late.

TheHoodedClaw: I trust that every eco-warrior and libertarian on here is willing to have a uranium or thorium power plant in the neighbourhood? You really should be.

I don't mind. Just don't let the Russians run it.

This is kind of like destroying Iraq to save it.

Maybe subbie has a point, but I still admire people who do stuff like this. As an environmental I knew used to say, "If you love the wild places so much, live in the city and visit once in a while. Don't build your house there!"

Maybe we should just stay home and write letters to Congresspeople to show our concern, (not that I really think it would do any good, anyway) but hell, who wouldn't rather go to a concert?

Interesting fact, they just announced that the stages and decorations are made of recycled items, now that I look at them, the decorations behind the actors are the tops of oil cans, they are using low energy flourescent bulbs, recycled tires for something, and the plates and cups are bio degradable corn based plastics.

/suck it cons.

Hahahahahaha...

I haven't been able to stop laughing every time the whole "Concert for the environment" thing is mentioned.

submitter: Live Earth concerts: artists flight distance = 222,623.63 miles, carbon emissions produced by all concerts = 31,500 tons, carbon emissions including TV audience = 74,500 tons, hypocrisy = off the scale

Sitting with your thumb up your ass doing nothing and hoping that nothing is happening bad with the environment is such a better thing to do eh subby?

All of these Benefit

They serve more to stroke the egos of the organizers and give the performers some good PR and face time, than they ever do changing anything.

Hey Bono & Bob Geldof, you really want to fight poverty in Africa???

How about doing something about the Corrupt Government Kleptocracies that dictate every single damn African nation, instead of just throwing money at the problem in a hollow feel-good gesture. Money that is stolen by above said Corrupt Government Kleptocracies.

Zalan: Sitting with your thumb up your ass doing nothing

hey now, I burned some tires this morning so my landfill wouldn't have to take up the space with stuff that wont biodegrade.

BorgiaGinz: and other assorted nonsense

Thats just it, assorted. Anti-Vaccinations, anti-nuclear power, etc. make up a very small minority of 'leftists'; consequently these are non-issues that get brought up only by Fox-News anchors trying to vilify the "loony left". Dismissing activism of global warming over a few odd people talking about vaccinations is really throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Arent the people that would go to a Live Earth Concert already on the global warming bandwagon? I mean isnt the concert basically preaching to the converted? whats the point? show the rest of the world a bunch of wannabe hippies care about the enviroment?

crue: whats the point? show the rest of the world a bunch of wannabe hippies care about the enviroment?

yeah they should just stfu lol

Lord almighty...

Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right, Left/Right.

You're all freaking WRONG you argumentative farktards. The one side is a bunch of hysterical little whiners, the other is a reactionary, hyper-aggressive bunch of knee jerkers.

If you all care so much (myself included) why don't you get off your fat arses, quit posting utterly pointless polemic on internet forums, get an education if you lack one, and work together to figure out A. what's going on, and B. what to do about it. You people are so insanely polarised, all you do is argue and do nothing whatsoever of any use.

"Sound and thunder, signifying nothing" pretty much sums up American political discourse these days.

It wouldn't be so bad if this were an actual discussion, but it's just the usual lefttard/righttard bickering, and to an outsider you look like a right bunch of berks.

Sorry to rant, apologies to those of you who aren't in the left/right hatefest.

BTW, this concert is silly.

Wow, I have some sand in my vagina tonight, s'cuse me while I rinse...

Aaah, better now.

I wish I could be there so I could get all of those signatures on my petition to ban the dangerous chemical, Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO). You know, for the children.




YouTube:Even Penn & Teller support the ban of dangerous DHMO.

Want to help with environmental issues and global warming? Get people to stop building coal fired power plants and use nuke power instead.

/not kidding

AaaPha

A-farking-men.

I have reached the point where I can no longer tolerate the partisan propaganda (and it is propaganda) coming from each side anymore.

I get equally angry at the Michael Moore's of the world as I do at the Sean Hannity's of the world, and I think this is probably the only correct place to be. Aggressively Independent.

JimmyFartpants:

How about doing something about the Corrupt Government Kleptocracies that dictate every single damn African nation...

Hey Jimmy,

Who do you think is keeping those Corrupt Government Kleptocracies in power? Liberals?

I think Theodore Roosevelt, who knew a thing or two about altruistic causes, said it well,

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

I haven't read the entire thread since I don't have the time, but after reading the first half I had to post. Everyone insulting conservatives for no reason and claiming they are all religious nut jobs who are trying to hurt the country, just think how that makes you look. Do you think half of this country is really a bunch of sheep following what Bush and Cheney and Limbaugh tell them to?

Taking that tone really discredits your argument and makes you look stupid. Plus how many people do you think you will win over by insulting your opponent?

And there are many conservatives who are not in these demographics that you place them all in. I consider myself a conservative, though a modern one and not a republican(I vote for the candidate I feel agrees with more of my philosophies whichever party he is in). Personally I don't believe that Global warming is entirely mans fault. If you look back in time, you would realize that the earth itself goes through periods of warming and cooling. During the middle ages they actually grew grapes in England for wine which would have required a warmer climate. And the last ice age, which was caused by an average temperature drop of only a few degrees, ended about 10,000 years ago.

However I do support decreasing our use of gasoline. Not for environmental reasons but because I don't want us to base our middle eastern diplomacy on our gasoline consumption. Because I want our gas consumption to go down, I actually welcome the increase in gas prices, though even with the increase gas consumption hasn't changed much. People always complain about the cost of filling up the tank, but if you look at sales, no one is really cutting down, and hybrid sales are a lot lower than you would expect them to be from all you hear about them.

I have actually thought that a $2.00 a gallon additional tax on gas would help reduce usage. However a tax like that would hurt the lower and middle classes a lot more than the upper class. So, instead of just having a tax increase, why not deduct the amount we would earn from such a tax from the amount we earn from the lowest income tax bracket. This change would give people an incentive to drive less so that they could spend their money on other purchases.

There is also one problem with all these environmentalists who want us to change over to non CO2 emitting power. They are afraid of nuclear power. It would provide an enormous amount of cheap, clean power for this country however it is never brought up.

You know, if this concert really annoys you, you don't have to watch it. You don't have to heed it's message. Nothing yet will stop you from doing whatever you want on this issue.

/Tired of the pointless bickering
//Politics and Science aren't football!!

Farnn: I haven't read the entire thread since I don't have the time, but after reading the first half I had to post. Everyone insulting conservatives for no reason and claiming they are all religious nut jobs who are trying to hurt the country, just think how that makes you look. Do you think half of this country is really a bunch of sheep following what Bush and Cheney and Limbaugh tell them to?

No, only about hmm, 26% or so. Makes you wonder what would make the die hards stop supporting him, him performing a live abortion on tv while taking a dump on the pope, and then eating a live kitten?

100 Watt Walrus: Norad Yep, cause all these worthless high-profile expenditure concerts will eliminate global warming.

Nobody thinks they will, asshat. It's about raising awareness. The concerts don't make a difference, but if more people learn about reducing their carbon footprints as a result of the PR, that can make a difference. If you can't figure that out, it's you who belongs on the edge of the very tall building.

What is it with all these idiots who are anti-climate awareness? I mean, there are only 3 scenarios here:

1) Global warming isn't happening. People organize to help make the environment cleaner. Nothing bad happens.

2) Global warming is happening. People organize to help make the environment cleaner. We possibly save future generations from a very ugly world.

3) Global warming is happening. People do nothing. Result: Some degree of ugly world - described often enough elsewhere that I won't bother here.

So please tell me, what's so terrible about #1? Why NOT try to make the planet cleaner and greener?

How about
4) Global climate change isn't happening and yet all these do-gooder conmen accomplish is getting our taxes even higher and Al Gore's pocketbook keeps getting stuffed because of the dumbasses who believe his every word.

That's all Al cares about. The more he scaremongers the more his bank account grows.

Shostie: writes,

Actually, it probably is liberals. And conservatives. Basically anyone in power at the moment.

Whoever is in power would be the Bush Administration - in case you missed the recent memos.

Did you honestly think that any government in Africa stays in power against the US's wishes?

Zalan: No, only about hmm, 26% or so. Makes you wonder what would make the die hards stop supporting him, him performing a live abortion on tv while taking a dump on the pope, and then eating a live kitten?


Thank you for listening to my point and showing everyone an example of what I was trying to get people to stop doing. Insulting your opponent and ignoring their argument based on the party they support, does nothing but discredit yourself and ensure that only those that agree with you listen, which defeats the purpose of whatever you have to say.

5) Global warming is happening. People in the US and Western Europe organize to help make the enviroment cleaner. The rest of the developing world keeps not giving a fark about the enviroment...

Tad_Waxpole: I get equally angry at the Michael Moore's of the world as I do at the Sean Hannity's of the world, and I think this is probably the only correct place to be. Aggressively Independent.

Sigh. Of relief that is.

Good to know that amongst the diatribe spouting polar-tards here there are still some sane people left in America. I hope that attitude grows; my kids have the right to leave here and live in the US when they're old enough if they choose to, they're half-Yanks, and by that time, with any luck, the US will have got over the severe mental-breakdown it seems to be suffering at the moment.

I suffer from (mild) bipolar disorder, and sometimes what goes on in these threads is very much like what happens inside my head on a bad day. Luckily I have good medication these days. I wonder what "medication" will stabilise America? You guys really need a unifying President, I have no idea who that could be, but I wish y'all luck.

glassa,

That's some pretty powerful heap of dumb you got there.

Al Gore's pocketbook keeps getting stuffed because of his work in Global Climate Change?

You wouldn't be able to dig up any documentation to back that claim, now would you big boy?

Glassa: 4) Global climate change isn't happening and yet all these do-gooder conmen accomplish is getting our taxes even higher and Al Gore's pocketbook keeps getting stuffed because of the dumbasses who believe his every word.

That's the one thing everyone should agree on though. I don't think there is anyone who is involved in the global warming debate who thinks that global climate change isn't happening. The point of contention is what the cause is.