Subby wins. The lights on the stage of the Sydney show just went out.

zn0k

it's cute how you and your buddies are ignoring all the good arguments in this thread and focus on the trolling ones.

The closet thing to a "good argument" that has been presented so far, is the ridiculous notion that going green would cripple the US economy.

Stupid Guitar: Norad:
Yep, cause all these worthless high-profile expenditure concerts will eliminate global warming.

If you're over the age of 25 and think this makes a difference, please. Walk off a very tall building & make sure you fall face-first.

This concert may not eliminate global warming, but WILL influence some people to become more eco-friendly. You see, contrary to your negative and destructive beliefs, a lot of people will realize that it's important to take care of the planet we live in. Through awareness and action, we can hopefully secure a healthy world for future generations to live in.

Now you, on the other hand, can hopefully grow some testicular cancer AND choke on your own bile in the backseat of Dick Cheney's limo.

Good Day.

Somebody post the internet tough guy pic.
/sniffs own fart again

Murkanen: is the ridiculous notion that going green would cripple the US economy.

you also haven't addressed the issue of:

1) how to make the third world comply and make the effort worthwhile. And no 'set a good example' is not enough.

2) how we have the moral authority to tell undeveloped nations they can't develop, or must develop using our tech.

3) why this is yet another regressive taxation scheme on par with other 'moral issue' regressive taxes like cigs, booze, and sales tax. Is it your moral authority that lets you make lower income people pay more for staple products?

FriarTuck

Hear hear. I'm all for environmental causes, but I'm not willing to go hungry for it. We have enough taxes on everything that makes life miserable enough. There needs to be more local grassroots initiatives, the feds couldn't possibly handle something like this without a whole lot of taxpayer dollars going down the toilet.

FriarTuck: Murkanen: is the ridiculous notion that going green would cripple the US economy.

you also haven't addressed the issue of:

1) how to make the third world comply and make the effort worthwhile. And no 'set a good example' is not enough.

2) how we have the moral authority to tell undeveloped nations they can't develop, or must develop using our tech.

3) why this is yet another regressive taxation scheme on par with other 'moral issue' regressive taxes like cigs, booze, and sales tax. Is it your moral authority that lets you make lower income people pay more for staple products?


I agree with #1 & 2. I can't agree with #3 cause cigs and booze are not required living

I'd support more funding to cities to conduct their own environmental projects. Such as tree-planting, local industry payoffs for cleaner fuel and machinery.

It all starts at the roots. To make it global, we need to start local. Grammar check on that tagline.

Is this the daily global warming thread where pro-pollution conservatives seagull the thread until Jon Snow shows up then they mysteriously bail?

/heats up popcorn

AlgertMan: I agree with #1 & 2. I can't agree with #3 cause cigs and booze are not required living

Fair enough. The point isn't that they are required.
It is that it is a tax that disproportionally hits poor people in the pocketbook (it hurts the McJobber more to pay $4 a gallon than the stockbroker). It also has the stink of nanny-state paternalism.

I'm over it now:

Um, you forgot one scenario, the most likely one IMO.
4) Global warming might be happening, and man might be the cause of it, so in order to prevent what might possibly happen, we cripple our economy with taxes and ridiculous restricitions. We're all poor, but at least we feel better about ourselves.

Somebody post the internet tough guy pic.
/sniffs own fart again

Global warming IS happening, man IS the cause of it, and our economy will be crippled if things keep going the way they are going. You really don't have a point to argue. Then again, what can you expect from a fart-sniffer?

Why are most conservatives paranoid, insecure white people?

/I've always wondered.

Stupid Guitar: Got proof? Undeniable, absolute proof? Proof without any possibility of contention?

BudTheSpud: Such as tree-planting, local industry payoffs for cleaner fuel and machinery.

Trees are beautiful, but they don't take in a significant portion of CO2 to make a cost difference. Plus consider that tree is bought from a tree farm where it is watered with tap water for 2 years.

Cleaner air is great, but you are talking about particulate matter in the air. Doing that won't help co2 either.

Those are good ideas. Those are not the ideas that these people who are running the concerts are looking for.

Stupid Guitar: Global warming IS happening, man IS the cause of it,

Global warming is happening. The earth has gotten about 1 degree hotter since we've started taking measurements.

With the elimination of many herd-thinning diseases, we have more people.

The answer is, what do you plan to do about it? It will have to be by force, as most of the world is undeveloped or developing.

Stupid Guitar:and our economy will be crippled if things keep going the way they are going.

-Please elaborate.


/oh god say peak oil...

Waynebuckwheat probably watches American Idol.

/he loves marketing and being told what to think.
//thanks wayne, you have once again proven the power of MARKETING.
///go back to church and reading drudgereport.

Unright: Is this the daily global warming thread where pro-pollution conservatives seagull the thread until Jon Snow shows up then they mysteriously bail?

Maybe this will do the trick:

Here's the plan, we continue to pollute, raise greenhouse gasses and other shait like that. We die off and something else takes over. Works for me.

//does not believe that humans started global warming
///does believe that we are not helping
////cockroaches FTW!!

Larry Labia: Why are most conservatives paranoid, insecure white people?

Why are most 'environmental activists' comfortably rich white people who seem to despise the very wealth that allows their down-soft comfortable life?

Larry Labia: You know, I've never watched A.Idol, Big brother, Lost, or any other 'reality' show. Probably don't waste more than an hour a week on TV. Science channels, Discovery. Other than that, it's worthless.

//you major or minor?

WayneBuckwheat:

Stupid Guitar: Got proof? Undeniable, absolute proof? Proof without any possibility of contention?

I have the conclusions that I've come to from reading about the issue, by both sides of the story. Is it absolute? Conclusive without contention? Of course not. But there's a lot more scientific evidence around that supports the theory that Global Warming is happening than the belief that it doesn't exist.

Though maybe I should be more open-minded to the Rush Limbaugh theory of cow-farts causing Global Warming. Do you have undeniable proof to guide me along?

Larry Labia: Waynebuckwheat probably watches American Idol.

you are probably poking a teeny little chubby through your boxers since you got to waive claimed intellectual superiority in someone's face.

What does watching an a-capella show where people are judged like Star Search have to do with "the greatest moral issue of our time"?

Just curious...is it like how you create an air of moral superiority in an attempt to mock your opponents only to alienate the majority?

Because if you're for climate change you better figure out how to get average people to do what YOU want, without the point of a gun preferably.

Stupid Guitar: No, see, I respect that. You've drawn your own conclusions, as have many others. Crap like oxy-limbaugh & hannity have no cred on virtually ANY topic - they are entertainers, using that term loosely. I know what I've read on both sides and have developed my own conclusions. Thanks for clearing that up.

Stupid Guitar: But there's a lot more scientific evidence around that supports the theory that Global Warming is happening than the belief that it doesn't exist.

The issue isn't that it's happening.

The issue is the cause, and hense the solution.

You can create Rush Limbaugh cow farts (?) strawmen all you want, it doesn't make your solution right.

1) how to make the third world comply and make the effort worthwhile. And no 'set a good example' is not enough.

Efficiency. You can get more with fewer resources and energy loss. For nations that rely heavily on manufacturing or high-energy jobs (indian tech centers), that is a boon.

2) how we have the moral authority to tell undeveloped nations they can't develop, or must develop using our tech.

This falls under the same ridiculous argument about how going green will destroy the US economy. Green tech is currently being incorporated into Chinese and Indian development projects because it helps reduce waste and energy costs in the long term. They aren't doing it for moral reasons, they're doing it for economical and business reasons.

3) why this is yet another regressive taxation scheme on par with other 'moral issue' regressive taxes like cigs, booze, and sales tax.

You're assuming I support excessive taxes on cigs and booze, and I don't.

Is it your moral authority that lets you make lower income people pay more for staple products?

Everyone pays the same. The problem is that the poor have always been the ones to be hit hardest by changes in cost, doesn't matter whether it is food or petrol. Tax breaks and other assistance is available to try and off-set that burden for essentials though.

FriarTuck: Why are most 'environmental activists' comfortably rich white people who seem to despise the very wealth that allows their down-soft comfortable life?

I see what you did there.

Instead of countering with 'liberals', you strategically chose the (even-more) flame-inducing term 'environmental activists'.

That's like me coming back with 'conservative christian' or 'Neo-Nazi'.

It's a simple fact that the term conservative, by definition, is someone who is afraid of change.

And who are most afraid?

Paranoid white people.

(Hilariously ironic we are having this discussion on the internet, because if conservatives had their way thousands of years ago, we'd still be worshipping rocks.)

Conservatives ruin everything.

/Thanks

kronicfeld: Remember, if you want to be an environmentalist and not be labeled a hypocrite, you have to live in a man-made biodome that is not attached to the power grid and sustain yourself on home-grown green vegetables. And ride a mule.

you post that in every green lit thread. It isn't funny and makes little sense. Is that paragraph like wine?

It's a simple fact that the term conservative, by definition, is someone who is afraid of change.
And who are most afraid?
Paranoid white people.
(Hilariously ironic we are having this discussion on the internet, because if conservatives had their way thousands of years ago, we'd still be worshipping rocks.)
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Conservatives wish to keep the status quo by definition they don't fear change.

Liberals (SINCE YOU BEGGED FOR THAT WORD LIKE A HUNGRY LITTLE MUTT) use fear and scare tactics to push through unnecessary change.

As for your worshipping rocks comment, you lost me there. Are you saying Al Gore made Jesus? Perhaps when it's 8am on a saturday you need to lay off that last nip of jack or key bump- you may make more sense.

WayneBuckwheat

Got proof? Undeniable, absolute proof? Proof without any possibility of contention?

Nothing has proof without any possibility of contention.

While you're at it, invest in the companies the concert is supposed to be protesting...just like performer Madonna does.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288295,00.html

PC LOAD LETTER: I will say that the left brought us the end of slavery (Republicans were liberals), founding of this nation, child labor laws, social security, an attempt a racial equality, sexual equality, and such, while the right has well, tried to reverse everything listed. Is there something original and beneficial the right has done? I am sure there's something, but I am drawing a blank.

That's amazing when you just lay it right out there. Why don't more people notice this?

I ask the Lord on a daily basis how humanity can be so farking stupid.

I going to get ten (10) Hummers to help the cause.

FriarTuck:
Stupid Guitar:and our economy will be crippled if things keep going the way they are going.

-Please elaborate.

/oh god say peak oil...

Well, if our coastal cities become increasingly subject to flooding, and/or sinking into the ocean, you don't think that will have an effect on our economy? If our cities become so overwhelmed with smog and pollution, that it's citizens health problems interfere with their ability to work and contribute to society's needs? What if crops can't grow because the enviroment has become too harsh, food supplies are comprimised?

And what about Peak Oil? Say we leave that subject aside. Aren't gas prices rising anyway? People nationwide are already getting rid of their gas guzzlers, don't you think that's affecting the automotive industry? Last I checked, that was a part of our economy.

Larry Labia: Why don't more people notice this?

people never notice the dipshiat liberal ideas that never get passed. Only the good ones that get majority support.

The idiot liberal ideas that get passed and turn out poorly tend to get repealed and forgotten by history.


/nice parry in calling Lincoln a liberal, PC LOAD LETTER. Free Soiler, thinker, lawyer, Illinois state wrestling champ, owner of a cool jawbeard, a man who crapped once every two weeks, absolutely. "Liberal" in the way you use it, hell no.

FriarTuck: Conservatives wish to keep the status quo by definition they don't fear change.

Liberals (SINCE YOU BEGGED FOR THAT WORD LIKE A HUNGRY LITTLE MUTT) use fear and scare tactics to push through unnecessary change.

As for your worshipping rocks comment, you lost me there. Are you saying Al Gore made Jesus? Perhaps when it's 8am on a saturday you need to lay off that last nip of jack or key bump- you may make more sense.

Scare tactics?

Like the fear of terrorism to start a war in Iraq?
Like the fear of black people breaking in your house to sell guns?
Like the fear of death to market religion?

Conservatives THRIVE on fear.

It keeps Midwesterners, Southerners, and Texans scared enough to keep consuming.

As far as my internet comment goes....

Link

/Imagine where we would be if some liberal, scientific thought occurred during the CONSERVATIVE and FEARFUL dark ages.
//Flying cars.
///Thanks conservatives.

Mac Savvy: It just becomes ridiculous when this is being used as a political issue while it is obvious by the amount of waste they are producing that slowing global warming isn't their objective- stealing as many votes as possible by appealing to young people is the motive. That may or may not be the case, but it sure looks that way...

That could easily be remedied by all politicians advocating awareness and change. But that would make their energy masters unhappy, I suppose.

"stealing as many votes as possible by appealing to young people is the motive."

<b>Young people do not vote.</b>

PC LOAD LETTER

The right tries to discredit original thinking because it interferes with the Bible's version of things. It is quite clear.

Stupid Guitar: And what about Peak Oil? Say we leave that subject aside.

oh no. Let's explore it, and explore it good. Tell me why you think the price of oil will rise exponentially. Tell me why the flow of oil will be like cutting a cable line instead of slowly turning off the faucet when new tech is developed. Please god tell me, I want a good laugh.

Stupid Guitar:People nationwide are already getting rid of their gas guzzlers, don't you think that's affecting the automotive industry? Last I checked, that was a part of our economy.

So you consider a household having to buy a smaller car because of gas costs a positive thing for the economy? Let's forget the fact that a new car will cost more with insurance than an old car will hurt you in gas prices. How would spending more money on less product help the whole economy? Perhaps you can address how we will go about getting that hard carbon cap? There are a lot of questions here. Often it is entertaining to hear the answers.

CheetahOlivetti: So severe, chronic constipation makes you conservative. Sure does explain Cheney's charming facial expressions

you should write for leno. I'm serious, that's funny. People are on the floor here. I think I might get evicted.

It is almost like the Conservatives and Global Warming Deniers are afraid to find a marketable replacement for the internal combustion engine. I don't get this. How long have we used engines largely dependent on gasoline, a hundred years? It is weird how these Conservatives recoil at the thought of anything Green. It is though they equate Big Oil with God.

As a sentient machine poised to take over the world after humanity dies off as a result of global warming, I’m really getting a kick out of most of these replies.