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(   South Carolina is the latest SEC school to be investigated by the NCAA. One player was driving a $60,000 Cadillac Escalade just months after signing to play football.   ( divider line
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2002-09-05 09:13:09 AM  
Like this only happens at South Carolina, come on
2002-09-05 10:48:22 AM  
You mean a team went from 0-11 one year to a major bowl in less than 5 years by cheating? Gasp!
2002-09-05 10:49:04 AM  
That fact and a number of possible improprieties within the Gamecocks football program have drawn the interest of an NCAA investigator

2002-09-05 10:49:45 AM  
That kinda shiat absolutely KILLED the SMU football program. It's not worth it. They have never been good since, and are a joke of a shell of the football team they used to be.
2002-09-05 10:53:21 AM  
"Interesting"?!?! that is an obvious "Dumbass" tag...or at least "Obvious" ...but it is NOT "Interesting"
2002-09-05 10:53:36 AM  
I went to college with a guy who was a student manager for the men's basketball team. The team made it to the final four NCAA at its peak year. The coach would write in "uniforms: $40,000.00" in the budget, and then would use the money to buy a car for the star player. This way he covered up the cost so the board of trustees and NCAA officials wouldn't get suspicious. It also kept the best players at the college. I heard that this is the norm at top men's basketball programs. The ironic thing is that my friend would be sent out to get food for the team at away games, and he had to practically beg the coach for reimbursement. Cheap bastard.
2002-09-05 10:56:04 AM  
I played soccer for UGA - it sucked a$$! They didn't give us a friggin dime for equipment, jerseys, etc...

We had to rob highschool cheerleader car washes for gas money.

Effing football...don't even use thier feet.
2002-09-05 10:56:31 AM  
I went to USC back in the 80's - the jocks had pretty much anything they wanted.
2002-09-05 10:56:33 AM  
If the boosters would just do it right, and give the money to the player's parents who would then give it to the players, everything would be fine. NCAA rules say that parents of the player can give their kid as much money as they want.

Or players could be a little more discrete about their new found wealth. Who is going to believe that some kid from the ghetto, living on a sports scholarship, is going to all of the sudden afford these things? They should save the money, and spend it on less noticeable things. At least just buy a new Maxima of something like that.

C'mon now.
2002-09-05 10:57:18 AM  
I'd love the job of being an NCAA Investigator. I could sit around Farking every day, and once a year wander over to a practice, note the license plates of all the expensive new cars in the parking lot, submit my report, and go back to Farking until next year.

That's a tough job.
2002-09-05 10:57:51 AM  
Maybe he's a rapper too...
2002-09-05 10:57:51 AM  
Sorry, I have to say it. GO COCKS!!!

(I'm currently sitting here in my dorm room here at the University of South Carolina by the way.)
2002-09-05 10:58:16 AM  
In other words, "NCAA probing 'Cocks"
2002-09-05 10:58:18 AM  
I don't know why, but this just broke the camel's back for me. Society is falling apart around us, and there's nothing anybody can do. There's no honor, no decency, no respect, no compassion, no integrity, no values, just the pursuit of the almighty bling-bling. People wouldn't walk across the street to spit in your ear if your brain was on fire unless there was a C-note in it for them.

The government is busy taking away your rights and most citizens are content with that, university football teams are cheating, people kill each other over sneakers, kids listen to pounding loud music in their cars until they go deaf (and in many cases, it isn't even music--it's just a series of low rumbles for effect), Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakahn are telling white America they have to pay for slavery, and people are using 9/11 as a get-rich-quick scheme.

Give me some hope. Please. Somebody.

Stop the ride, I'm gonna puke.
2002-09-05 10:58:41 AM  
Yeah, but I bet these guys aren't sleeping well at night. They probably never get laid either.

Can anybody play devil's advocate on this one?
2002-09-05 11:00:31 AM  
Nice to know these athletes are getting a Grade A education. Just hope the Caddy Crack Wagons are bulletproof. Those underfunded Chem students may try to blow a hole clean through it!
2002-09-05 11:02:31 AM  
09-05-02 10:58:41 AM Baldactor
Can anybody play devil's advocate on this one?

Ummmm - they keep the Sex Crimes Unit of every college town's police department busy?

That's the best I have.
2002-09-05 11:03:52 AM  
09-05-02 10:57:51 AM DrumCorpsAlum

Which dorm are you in? I haven't been to Columbia in a while... lived on S. Beltline until 92, when I moved to Dallas.

Is Group Therapy still open in 5 pts?
2002-09-05 11:15:53 AM  
I graduated from Irmo. Was in the insane marching band as a picc player. What corps did you march with, Drumcorpsalum?

Everyone might want to note that this article is either wrong or old:

"Watson played in South Carolina State's 26-20 win over Tennessee State on Saturday; he ran for 29 yards on seven carries. Bulldogs coach Buddy Pough declined comment on Wednesday."

USC played New Mexico State in their season opener last week and won 34-24. I don't think Watson's even playing anymore.

Besides, Lou Holtz has really cleaned up the program. He wouldn't let Watson, the star player, play in the 2000 Outback Bowl after he was out driving high on pot after curfew and got caught by the cops. Can you say that for some other top 25 schools?
2002-09-05 11:19:21 AM  
Shame I can't learn how to close HTML tags properly.
2002-09-05 11:21:39 AM  
Well, now's as good a time as ever:
2002-09-05 11:24:04 AM  
OK, I'll play Devil's Advocate for you. Suppose these guys didn't get all the cars, women, money, and pass all their classes without attending, what would happen to them?

* They might end up running for office, like Jesse Ventura. * They could end up on TV, plugging AT&T like Carrot Top.
* They could be the "next Adam Sandler" in the movies.
* They could be Madonna's 100,000th score and write a book about it.
* They could show up on Jerry Springer talking about how much they want to divorce their sister and marry their second cousin's sister's twice-removed aunt.

So it could be much worse.

And JerkStore, lighten up, it isn't that bad.
2002-09-05 11:25:17 AM  
Every time I click on a link to a page hosted by it takes me to the same page. I'm sure he appreciates getting all of the hits from Fark, but I like getting actual stories. Maybe Fark could start linking to for sports stories.
2002-09-05 11:28:27 AM  
Tigers are gonna pound those cheating gamecock bastards this year.
2002-09-05 11:30:42 AM  
Sorry if it's too long, but I thought this was appropriate:

Planning for the fall football season in the South is radically different from up North. For those who are planning a football trip in the South, here are some helpful hints.

Women's Accessories:
NORTH: ChapStick in back pocket and a $20 bill in the front pocket.

SOUTH: Louis Vuitton duffel with two lipsticks, waterproof mascara, and a fifth of bourbon. Money not necessary - that's what dates are for.

Stadium Size:
NORTH: College football stadiums hold 20,000 people.
SOUTH: High school football stadiums hold 20,000 people.

Campus Decor:
NORTH: Statues of founding fathers.
SOUTH: Statues of Heisman trophy winners.

Homecoming Queen:
NORTH: Also a physics major.
SOUTH: Also Miss America.

NORTH: Rudy Guliani
SOUTH: Archie & Peyton Manning

Getting Tickets:
NORTH: 5 days before the game you walk into the ticket office on campus and purchase tickets.
SOUTH: 5 months before the game you walk into the ticket office on campus and put name on waiting list for tickets.

Friday Classes After a Thursday Night Game:
NORTH: Students and teachers not sure they're going to the game, because they have classes on Friday.
SOUTH: Teachers cancel Friday classes because they don't want to see the few hung over students that might actually make it to class.

NORTH: An hour before game time, the University opens the campus for game parking.
SOUTH: RVs sporting their school flags begin arriving on Wednesday for the weekend festivities. The really faithful arrive on Tuesday.

Game Day:
NORTH: A few students party in the dorm and watch ESPN on TV.
SOUTH: Every student wakes up, has a beer for breakfast, and rushes over to where ESPN is broadcasting "Game Day Live" to get on camera and wave to the idiots up north who wonder why "Game Day Live" is never broadcast from their campus.

NORTH: Raw meat on a grill, beer with lime in it, listening to local radio station with trucktailgate down.
SOUTH: 30-foot custom pig-shaped smoker fires up at dawn. Cooking accompanied by live performance by "Dave Matthews Band," who come over during breaks and ask for a hit off bottle of bourbon.

Getting to the Stadium:
NORTH: You ask "Where's the stadium?" When you find it, you walk right in.
SOUTH: When you're near it, you'll hear it. On game day it becomes the state's third largest city.

NORTH: Drinks served in a paper cup, filled to the top with soda.
SOUTH: Drinks served in a plastic cup, with the home team's mascot on it, filled less than half way with soda, to ensure enough room for bourbon.

When National Anthem is Played:
NORTH: Stands are less than half full, and less than half of them stand up.
SOUTH: 100,000 fans, all standing, sing along in perfect four-part harmony.

The Smell in the Air After the First Score:
NORTH: Nothing changes.
SOUTH: Fireworks, with a touch of bourbon.

Commentary (Male):
NORTH: "Nice play."
SOUTH: "Dammit, you slow sumbiatch - tackle him and break his legs."

Commentary (Female):
NORTH: "My, this certainly is a violent sport."
SOUTH: "Dammit, you slow sumbiatch - tackle him and break his legs."

NORTH: Neutral and paid.
SOUTH: Announcer harmonizes with the crowd in the fight song, with a tear in his eye because he is so proud of his team.

After the Game:
NORTH: The stadium is empty way before the game ends.
SOUTH: Another rack of ribs goes on the smoker. While somebody goes to the nearest package store for more bourbon, planning begins for next week's game.

Nothing else in the universe comes even halfway close to the glories of Southern football
2002-09-05 11:45:25 AM  
southern football is a bunch of pass happy pansies..
2002-09-05 11:50:16 AM  
The University of Michigan's Mens basketball team use to have a sweet ass suburban. That was before they started to have all these Lincon Navigators and Cadilac Escalades. I remember it had at least 4 tv's in it, not to shabby for about 6 years ago.
2002-09-05 11:52:05 AM  
you mean a lou holtz team with possible NCAA violations.

I'm shocked, just shocked.

He's a scumbag.
2002-09-05 12:01:29 PM  
Spridelletto -

True story: A few years ago, a friend of mine got married on the third Saturday in October. During the reception, myself and some of the groomsmen (after the photos, cake, etc.) ended up in a back room on a cell phone as my dad fed us play-by-plays of the last twelve minutes of the Tennessee-Alabama game. When the groom finally found us, one of the groomsman said, "Hey, don't get mad at us. You're the one who got married during college football season."

Welcome to SEC country.
2002-09-05 12:02:46 PM  
Were any relatives of Marcus Camby playing for the team ?
2002-09-05 12:08:18 PM  
Yeah, Group is still open...and Elbow Room shut down, and is being replaced by a techno type nightclub called "Liquid." Strange.

Also, I'm pretty sure Watson had an "alternative" source of income which wouldn't show up on any records at all...but I'm not positive.
2002-09-05 12:10:58 PM  
Clemson, huh? I used to live near there. Parents still do. I miss the Clemson-USC game. For some reason, that game never gets picked up nationally, and it is definitely one of the best rivalries in college football.
2002-09-05 12:20:34 PM  

Evidently you have never been to an Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois, game. Won't comment about most of your statements, but Ohio State and Michigan almost never have attendance under 95,000. The tailgate at Hineygate at OSU games appear to have at least twice to three times the number of actual ticket holders.
2002-09-05 12:20:35 PM  
I wish I could pull this crap in the NCAA Football 2003 videogame. I have a low prestige school and I lose the best recruits to big (cheating) colleges. They need an "SUV" option on the recruiting screen.
2002-09-05 12:22:11 PM  
Kaka , don't be a moron. The reasons you didn't get crap at UGA for soccer are a) soccer doesn't bring in millions of dollars of revenue and b) title IX made the women's team varsity with scholarships to even out the number of mens and womens teams elligible to receive. You can't just tap a wand and make a men's team varsity w/o doing the same for a women's team. Guess where most of the athletic budget comes from? UGA football. Quit whining.

Hycdubg Did you read the article? They ARE investigating giving money to a parent. Or at least why said parent was suddenly cashing mad checks for huge bling bling just after signing.

Jerkstore you are just realizing this is the way US society and more particularly, sports life, is built? Wake up.

DickNixon: I won't even give you a bold tag. Clemson? Please, you're killing me here! They couldn't even beat UGA's terrible playing Saturday. And I'm a huge UGA fan.

Spredilto: see above comment to Dick
2002-09-05 12:34:20 PM  
I think tha "Obvious" tag is more appropriate. What do you expect from a school with a big football program? Glad my alma mater dropped their program years ago.
2002-09-05 12:37:43 PM  
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Busted again.
2002-09-05 12:41:03 PM  
Will someone give friggin' an icon already?
2002-09-05 12:42:23 PM  
Danvon - No, but I have been to the afforementioned Clemson and USC (but not Clemson-USC, unfortunately), LSU and Tennessee. USC held a record for consecutive sell outs for quite some time, and may still, and that was when they were awful. Neyland stadium in Knoxville consistently gets well over 100,000 per game, and if you haven't seen the "Volunteer Navy" sailing in on the Tennessee River on Thursday - Thursday for crying out loud - it's a sight to behold. And LSU, night game, and about 80,000 people stewed in bourbon. I won't pass judgment on the schools you listed because I haven't been there, but sheer numbers don't impress me. Anybody can build a big stadium, but it's the atmosphere that counts. Speaking of that, I will say that Southern Mississippi fans sure know how to tailgate.
2002-09-05 12:47:56 PM  
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2002-09-05 12:54:27 PM  

Fight Tigers Fight Tigers

Fight Fight Fight
2002-09-05 12:54:48 PM  
I don't mean to say that southern schools don't have a good atmosphere, its just that they dont have the monopoly. The atomsphere at Michigan, Ohio State and also Notre Dame are equally impressive.

I had the opportunity to go to the Sugar Bowl a few years ago and went away impressed at the overall attitude that southern schools do put forth.

Here is something I think we can both be sure of, schools out west (particularly California) don't hold a candle to the attitude that we are discussing

I will agree that the "North" attitude that you describe is alive and well in the Northeast, except for maybe Syracuse.
2002-09-05 01:00:59 PM  
Yeah, Big 10 and Big 12 fans do hold their own pretty well compared to SEC fans. And I will agree with you about fans on the West Coast. Even the passionate ones lack a certain fervor.
2002-09-05 01:09:10 PM  
any big football school that can fill a 100,000 had tailgaters, rabid fans, people that will name their first born after a farking mascot, etc..

you're not talking about southern schools, you're talking about big football schools..

tennessee, alabama, texas, fsu, florida, etc. all have big time traditions but don't forget about the better big ten schools and notre dame..
2002-09-05 01:17:05 PM  

I think you nailed it.
2002-09-05 01:26:13 PM  
at 87K, add Georgia to that list, 8th largest in the nation. That said, 1980 was a long time ago. Being ranked does not count.

Now we just need to let Shockley play.
2002-09-05 01:29:22 PM  
09-05-02 11:00:31 AM Gbcinques
Nice to know these athletes are getting a Grade A education. Just hope the Caddy Crack Wagons are bulletproof. Those underfunded Chem students may try to blow a hole clean through it!

And I certainly hope they achieve this goal. That or the CS students will reprogram the city's light signal timing so that they land in an unfortunate "accident". MUWHAHAHA!
2002-09-05 01:38:45 PM  
For every dumbass recruit who goes out and buys a fancy car, how many more discreet paid recruits are there?
2002-09-05 01:54:39 PM  
For whoever submitted the headline: Hello and welcome to three years ago. The Escalade incident (which Watson never bought or owned) was reported BY THE UNIVERSITY to the NCAA, Watson paid for the use of the vehicle, and everything was cleared up. As far as the community service thing, Watson had been kicked off the team by Coach Holtz before that was even an issue.

Talk about reaching. Try checking facts (or reading the article) before posting long-winded, outdated headlines as 'news'.
2002-09-05 02:02:02 PM  
Actually, VIIseven7, ESPN is reporting this today:

Excuse my minimal html skills. It does say the school self-reported the violations, but the article is reporting that there may be a current investigation.
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