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(John Scalzi)   SF writer Fred Saberhagen has died, and Wikipedia is home to officious pricks   (scalzi.com) divider line 226
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2007-07-03 09:45:56 AM
That is sad.

Didn't he throw a no-hitter for KC back in the day?
 
2007-07-03 09:50:15 AM
Don't know about the baseball bit; but it is always cause for a moment of silence, to have lost one of the great authors (sf or no).
 
2007-07-03 10:02:42 AM
That's a shame. I remember reading his books The Dracula Tape, The Holmes-Dracula File, and An Old Friend of the Family back in the 70s. I haven't thought about those books in years. I'm going to have to stop by the bookstore and pick them up.
 
2007-07-03 10:05:21 AM
Sorry to hear about Saberhagen, but Scalzi isn't helping his cause by relying on Harlan Ellison. Harlan has become increasingly erratic the last few years, and his public behavior combined with his continual Luddite-esque bashing of the internet as a source for anything has probably turned the Wikis against using him as a source for anything. They're also likely afraid that if they misquote Harlan they'll get sued, or he'll mail them a dead woodchuck or something.

I'm a fan of Harlan's (given my login, how could I not be), but his best years are definitely behind him. And whether he heard the news directly from the Saberhagens or not, IMHO the Wikis were right to wait until Locus picked up and confirmed the story.
 
2007-07-03 10:05:55 AM
Damn you, theOther. You beat me to that one, big time...
 
2007-07-03 10:46:30 AM
Cordwainer Deathbird: Sorry to hear about Saberhagen, but Scalzi isn't helping his cause by relying on Harlan Ellison. Harlan has become increasingly erratic the last few years, and his public behavior combined with his continual Luddite-esque bashing of the internet as a source for anything has probably turned the Wikis against using him as a source for anything. They're also likely afraid that if they misquote Harlan they'll get sued, or he'll mail them a dead woodchuck or something.

I get the feeling that Harlan is waiting for the Internet to become that giant Earth computer in 'I Have No Mouth..' and that he spends his days wetting himself over that.

Man, why do most of the greats of Sci-Fi go nuts when they get older? Dammit...
 
2007-07-03 10:46:33 AM
Quatloo needs to be raped by an angry haitian with AIDS.
 
2007-07-03 10:46:57 AM
News like this drives me Berzerk.
 
2007-07-03 11:01:14 AM
Guntram Shatterhand: Man, why do most of the greats of Sci-Fi go nuts when they get older?

[threadjack]

To be fair, in Harlan's case a lot of it is his ego. He's had a sever case of "I'm the god" for a long time, and the "living legend" card has been played about him for so long he's started to believe it.

But since this is a thread about Saberhagen and Wiki, I'll stop there. My opinions of Harlan aren't very relevant to that subject.

[/threadjack]
 
2007-07-03 11:03:10 AM
"sever" = "severe"

Cordwainer Deathbird = can't spell for shiat
 
2007-07-03 11:24:16 AM
But I thought Woundhealer was the only Sword not destroyed by Shieldbreaker?

/godspeed, Mr. Saberhagen
 
2007-07-03 11:25:04 AM
Fred Saberhagen. I've met him dozens of times, especially at Los Angeles at a Science Fiction convention only 4 years ago. He was a writer Guest of Honor and my father was the Fan Guest of Honor and they talked to each other a lot.

But, yeah, Wikipedia is full of pricks.
 
2007-07-03 11:25:23 AM
rikdanger: News like this drives me Berzerk.

WINNER!
 
2007-07-03 11:26:09 AM
Brett was a pinacle element for the Royals winning their first (and most likely only) World Series in 85
 
2007-07-03 11:26:11 AM
RoyBatty: Harlan Ellison met god, and told god, "You're the god? You ain't shiat!"

(true story!)

(no, really, true story!)


That sounds more like Larry Ellison
 
2007-07-03 11:26:44 AM
For the rest of America... I simply have to ask... Fred Who?
 
2007-07-03 11:26:57 AM
source pls
 
2007-07-03 11:27:54 AM
<i>For the rest of America... I simply have to ask... Fred Who?</i>

Go back to your Nascar and American Idol.
 
2007-07-03 11:28:47 AM
That is very sad indeed.

I guess Santa Fe, NM is where good sci-fi writers go to die.

RIP Fred and Roger Zelazny too.
 
2007-07-03 11:29:07 AM
Sounds like Wikipedia is home to GoodLife.
 
2007-07-03 11:29:59 AM
Wikipedia is not supposed to be a source for breaking news. It's a reference, and until facts are established they don't want to put breaking news in the entries. Makes sense to me.

They could say "there are reports that..." but even then, that would be acting like a newspaper. Does it matter if they're a couple hours or days late with a major update that, if wrong, makes them look stupid?

I don't understand why this guy is so booty-hurt over it. Eventually the entry will be correct, don't have a cow.
 
2007-07-03 11:30:27 AM
Dammit, his Berserker series was killer. Should have sued Paramount over the Borg. Great author.

/Scalzi's Old Man's War is awesome as well.
 
2007-07-03 11:30:54 AM
I'm Fred Saberhagen so I'm really getting a kick...oh, nevermind.
 
2007-07-03 11:31:02 AM
If anybody wants to read the farked up conversation, here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fred_Saberhagen#Death

/never had this happen when adding another science fiction writer's death back in early 2005
 
2007-07-03 11:32:45 AM
meen peepulz on teh inetwebz?!

Unpossable!

Seriously though. What a bunch of 'tards. I liked a lot of Saberhagen's work.

Also..

Quatloo is a douche.
 
2007-07-03 11:33:09 AM
I very much enjoyed the Berserker series. Goodnight, Sci-Fi man.
 
2007-07-03 11:35:03 AM
This is the most completely random and worthless article I have seen on here. Who gives a flipping fark about this guy. I am sure he was a great writer but he wasn't that great. Oh and Wiki is edited by morons. HOLT SHIAT, when did this start?
 
2007-07-03 11:35:09 AM
Wikipedia is not supposed to be a source for breaking news. It's a reference, and until facts are established they don't want to put breaking news in the entries. Makes sense to me.

They could say "there are reports that..." but even then, that would be acting like a newspaper. Does it matter if they're a couple hours or days late with a major update that, if wrong, makes them look stupid?


This.
 
2007-07-03 11:35:15 AM
Sounds like Wikipedia is home to GoodLife

nice ref!
 
2007-07-03 11:35:39 AM
Brett was a pinnacle element for the Royals

You should point out that this Bret is Bret Saberhagen, thus the joke being confusion between Fred and Bret.

/RIP Mr. Saberhagen, I enjoyed the Book of Swords books
 
2007-07-03 11:35:48 AM
Harlan Ellison transformed from Angry Young Man to Grumpy Old Man with no cushion in between.
 
2007-07-03 11:35:49 AM
So Wikipedia is a cesspool of regurgitated information that can be found elsewhere on the net?
 
2007-07-03 11:35:59 AM
Joe_Mamma: This is the most completely random and worthless article I have seen here

new to Fark? this ain't Firing Line
 
2007-07-03 11:36:19 AM
Never heard of the guy, from the headline I thought SF was San Francisco.
 
2007-07-03 11:37:01 AM
I once put a sign on my overhead bin in my cubicle that read: UNAUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY!

/obscure?
 
2007-07-03 11:37:21 AM
Joe_Mamma: This is the most completely random and worthless article I have seen on here.

Then stop reading this thread. See? Wasn't that easy?
 
2007-07-03 11:38:52 AM
RoyBatty

Nope, that was Harlan Ellison.

No, Ellison's not a pitcher. He's a sucky outfielder for the Mariners.

/disambiguated it on Wikipedia so it must be true
 
2007-07-03 11:39:21 AM
Goodspeed Mr. S, time to ride the elephant.
 
2007-07-03 11:39:42 AM
Cordwainer Deathbird: Guntram Shatterhand: Man, why do most of the greats of Sci-Fi go nuts when they get older?

[threadjack]

To be fair, in Harlan's case a lot of it is his ego. He's had a sever case of "I'm the god" for a long time, and the "living legend" card has been played about him for so long he's started to believe it.

But since this is a thread about Saberhagen and Wiki, I'll stop there. My opinions of Harlan aren't very relevant to that subject.

[/threadjack]


BTW I'Ve always loved your Login, never had an excuse to tell you until now.

In Harlan's case, especially given his rough very early years and his then-propensity for chemical experimentation, I wouldn't be at all suprised to learn we are seeing the early signs of Alzheimer's in him. God forbid of course, but it's a conclusion I'm slowly being drawn to.

So lets Review:
Asimov, Anderson, Heinlien, Herbert, Pohl, Saberhagen, Sturgeon.

Except for the apparently immortal Clarke seems we've lost nearly all of the Grandmasters, and I don't know a single voice active in SF today that can hold a candle to them or even begin to aspire to their legacy.
 
2007-07-03 11:40:20 AM
RoyBatty

Nope, that was Harlan Ellison.

I bet Cordwainer Deathbird can verify this.


Yeah, but he only said it because god's a power-mad, tantrum-prone child.

/I know Cordwainer Deathbird can verify this.
//Don't know if I ever read any of Saberhagen's works. Most of my SF-reading is far in the past now.
 
2007-07-03 11:40:30 AM
People still pay attention Wikipedia? Seriously, who cares?

Sorry to hear about Saberhagen, though. His Berserker stories are one of the great iconic creations of literary science fiction.
 
2007-07-03 11:41:01 AM
I'm Chris Benoit's wife, so I got a kick out of these replies 24 hours before the thread was created.

/Obvious.
//Going to hell anyway.
 
2007-07-03 11:41:22 AM
Who are the losers who watch over wikipedia editing hour by hour, day by day, and so on? Do they get paid? Or is this just a way to gather some scraps of self-worth from the cozy confines of mom's basement?
 
2007-07-03 11:41:34 AM
and I don't know a single voice active in SF today that can hold a candle to them or even begin to aspire to their legacy.

brin, baxter, watts, stross, stephenson, bear, sawyer...
 
2007-07-03 11:41:54 AM
Tresser: Quatloo needs to be raped by an angry haitian with AIDS.

Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, "When am I gonna make it back to Haiti?"
 
2007-07-03 11:42:27 AM
Goodnight, Baseballman
www.mvpgalleries.com
 
2007-07-03 11:42:36 AM
Joe_Mamma
I'm sorry, did we ruin Fark for you?

/You'll get over it.
//Goodnight, Sci-Fi man.
///Would you like to make some fark?
////BERZERKER!
 
2007-07-03 11:42:48 AM
rikdanger: News like this drives me Berzerk.

WINNER!



I agree
 
2007-07-03 11:43:14 AM
I've actually never read any of Saberhagen's stuff, even though my buddy keeps bugging me to read the Swords series. Didn't he write all those alternate history novels too? Or am I mixing him up with Harry Turtledove again?

It's a fact of life, but all the great sci-fi writers are passing away. I'm pretty sure that Larry Niven and Robert Silverburg are still alive, but once they go it will truly be the end of an era.

I have hope for the future though. Anyone heard of Neal Asher? I've read two of his books and they are just amazing. Tony Daniel and Chris Moriarty are good as well. And of course we still have guys like Stephen Barnes and Jack McDevitt. Science Fiction is still alive and well, at least.
 
2007-07-03 11:44:21 AM
albo
new to Fark? this ain't Firing Line

this
 
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