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(SFGate)   Inmates in one prison are flushing away everything from their jumpsuits to pillows. The real crime is that it's costing taxpayers $30,000 a month   (sfgate.com) divider line 51
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2007-06-29 03:01:25 AM
New rule for inmates: If you flush your jumpsuit down the toilet, you don't get another one. Have fun being naked.

Sounds like a real hard problem to solve.
 
2007-06-29 05:48:31 AM
Or,

You flush your stuff down the john, we take your shiatter away.


Hello bucket!
 
2007-06-29 05:52:38 AM
Or: make it mandatory that prisoners take courses that teach them real-life skills so they don't end up back in jail after being released: cooking, carpentry, plumbing, electrical work etc.

Also offer free relocation for them and their family as well as a new identity, so breaking clean from a criminal group is doable.
 
2007-06-29 05:53:12 AM
Or we could actually try to figure out what the problem is and maybe try to fix it.

I'll check back tommorow to see if any of the Internet Tough Guys heads exploded in their frenzy to answer.
 
2007-06-29 06:09:24 AM
Um, I'm assuming that the problem is these people being asshats by flushing the stuff down the toilets... which is causeed by having 1000 people in a facility designed for 600.... ohhhhh wait...


/i see what you did there
//half of them are probably there on posession charges

:(
 
2007-06-29 06:29:04 AM
When did this become new?
-J-
 
2007-06-29 06:34:40 AM
Why not make the prison put in grate at their end of the sewage line? If it gets clogged have a detail of inmates clean it out. Use a revolving detail and after awhile people will get the shiat stomped out of them for flushing things they are not supposed to.
 
2007-06-29 06:39:46 AM
Each prisoner should get 1 jumpsuit. Period. On laundry day they wait in the cell until the jumpsuit is ready, then it is checked back out to them.

Sheets, towels, pillowcases--same thing.

Going to act like a 3-year-old? Then get treated like one.

One of the problems with skills training is protecting the instructor. Move them somewhere else upon release? OK, but they'll find the 'bad crowd' in the new place, too. Do I mind a former criminal working on my car or yard? Heck no. Would I want to be alone in the house with a guy who did hard time for murder? No.

Not all inmates are cuddly huggabears.
 
2007-06-29 06:54:40 AM
TFA: Officials from the sheriff's office, which runs the jail, and the county Department of Public Works are looking at options to fix the problem, including stepped-up measures to keep track of jail clothing, increased cell searches for extra garments, and installing an automated cleaning system for the protective grates.

Notice anything missing from that list?

Like maybe PUNISHMENT?

I'm frankly amazed they even still use a word like "jail" any more instead of something that looks more impressive on a sign, like "San Mateo County Re-Nurturing Haven - A Diversity-Celebrating Community"

/would rather see it spelled "gaol"
 
2007-06-29 07:03:21 AM
General Pail.
 
2007-06-29 07:53:41 AM
You flush it, you lose it. Have fun being naked and sleeping on a plain mattress.
 
2007-06-29 07:58:38 AM
If they get caught flushing something make them wear a paper gown like you get at the Dr's office. Or install a grate right on their shiatter, and when they need to take a dump they use a container.
 
2007-06-29 08:19:27 AM
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
 
2007-06-29 08:20:34 AM
Wrap them in toilet paper, duh!!!

Besides, pretending to be mummies might offer them some stimulating make-believe time. You know, besides the "make-believe my celly has a vagina" game...
 
2007-06-29 08:25:36 AM
I came in here to say what most of you have already said.

abuse it, lose it.

or, let it overflow and flood their cell

/poop thread?
 
2007-06-29 08:38:35 AM
Bored Horde: Or: make it mandatory that prisoners take courses that teach them real-life skills so they don't end up back in jail after being released: cooking, carpentry, plumbing, electrical work etc.

Also offer free relocation for them and their family as well as a new identity, so breaking clean from a criminal group is doable.


some people are just shiatbags and no matter what opportunity you give them they will just shiat all over it.
 
2007-06-29 08:42:29 AM
LowbrowDeluxe: Or we could actually try to figure out what the problem is and maybe try to fix it.

I think the article pretty well laid out the problem but since you are slow...the problem is scumbag inmates flushing uniforms and other debris down the pooper. Got that? Ok, let's move one.

Since all the solutions given here by all the "internet tough guys" apparently isn't reasonable to you, what do you suggest? Maybe each inmate gets a loolipop at bedtime if they haven't flushed their uniform that day? That should work out just peachy!!
 
2007-06-29 08:43:47 AM
Headso

Which is accounted for in jail terms and repeat offender charges.

Oh, you thought I meant enroll them in a college for jacking a car, silly you.
 
2007-06-29 08:44:53 AM
LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD...SHHH

The people locked up in that hellhole number at 1,000.

The prison has the facilities and cells to house 600.

Do the math.
 
2007-06-29 08:48:22 AM
Take it out of their commissary fund- the more stuff that gets flushed, the greater the amount they get fined. Hit 'em all for the damages their cellies cause, and the ones not doing it will put pressure on the others to knock it off. Phrase it to everyone in terms of a "choice", so they believe that they have some control in the situation- you don't want your commissary funds drained, stop the behavior that's causing it. Combination of pack psychology (quite effective), personal choice, and financial consequences.

Don't think it'll work? Spent 10 years as a C/O almost incident free (rarely even had to raise my voice), mostly by learning what motivates them. The right word to the right individuals that the actions of others will negatively impact them too is usually sufficient to generate peer pressure to knock it off- or else. ("Or else" isn't usually chosen.) Stating "you can do this, with this result, or that, with that result" suggests the individual has some choice in the matter. Even if it isn't really isn't much of a choice at all, it's often enough to make them feel like they have one. More often than not, they choose the option most beneficial to everyone even if they have only their own interests at heart. And if money weren't a motivator most of them wouldn't be there in the first place, or trafficking anything marketable while they're there to get more of it.

Just MHO + a bit of personal experience, there. Thug-huggers, fire at will.
 
2007-06-29 08:50:23 AM
Bored Horde: Or: make it mandatory that prisoners take courses that teach them real-life skills so they don't end up back in jail after being released: cooking, carpentry, plumbing, electrical work etc.

Also offer free relocation for them and their family as well as a new identity, so breaking clean from a criminal group is doable


uh, i dunno if you've heard, but some of those people have done drugs. you want to let drug users into YOUR neighborhood?
 
2007-06-29 08:55:46 AM
I'm the brother of a retarded child named Chuckie who used to do this, so I'm really getting kicked in the yarbles.
 
2007-06-29 08:58:17 AM
Give them buckets.
 
2007-06-29 08:59:52 AM
If they engage in acts of vandalism while in prison, they are not good candidates for release. They need to be tried and then harshly dealt with, pursuant to Rule .303.

/win/win
 
2007-06-29 09:10:55 AM
senator_mendoza: uh, i dunno if you've heard, but some of those people have done drugs. you want to let drug users into YOUR neighborhood?

Dude, Wait... what?

Huh? So they might have done drugs? EVERYBODY does drugs! Your next door neighbor probably does drugs, the sweet old couple down the street probably has a grow lab in their basement.

That is a silly reason not allowing them to move.
 
2007-06-29 09:12:59 AM
" I'm not sure all of the things are our things."

Uhh, excuse me. Doesn't the things gumming up the systems clearly say San Mateo County Jail, Maguire Facility?!!?
Jackass
 
2007-06-29 09:19:56 AM
IamSpartacus: senator_mendoza: uh, i dunno if you've heard, but some of those people have done drugs. you want to let drug users into YOUR neighborhood?

Dude, Wait... what?

Huh? So they might have done drugs? EVERYBODY does drugs! Your next door neighbor probably does drugs, the sweet old couple down the street probably has a grow lab in their basement.


Sarcasmeter off a bit? Time for a recalibration.

/SLAP!
 
2007-06-29 09:32:24 AM
Bored Horde: Oh, you thought I meant enroll them in a college for jacking a car, silly you.

what you typed would seem to cost us alot more, than the 20 to 30,000 dollars a year we already spend on each inmate. If you are really interested in fixing the majority of problems in our prison system just stop arresting people for victimless crimes.
 
2007-06-29 09:45:55 AM
DeadAir04: Sarcasmeter off a bit? Time for a recalibration.

/SLAP!


much obliged ;-D
 
2007-06-29 09:51:09 AM
Bored Horde
The people locked up in that hellhole number at 1,000.

The prison has the facilities and cells to house 600.

Do the math.


1000inmates-600inmate capacity = inmates must flush objects down the pooper? Does not compute!

And by saying hellhole I suppose you are implying that those poor criminals are having to live in less than desirable conditions. I really feel terrible for them. There's a tear running down my face at this very moment.
 
2007-06-29 09:55:03 AM
I can't even begin to comprehend why someone would flush their clothes down the poop shoot.

Srysly.

/Paris Hilton?
 
2007-06-29 09:56:06 AM
You think that's bad? You ought to see what gets flushed at the maximum security USP in Terre Haute.

/worked on the "shiat grinder"
 
2007-06-29 10:09:32 AM
Just ship the complainers to Mexico and let them see how their jails work.
 
2007-06-29 10:13:00 AM
I used to work in a hospital. People would fluch wash clothes, the cloth kind, and they would jam up everything for several floors. Costs them a bunch too; probably the best way to increase a hospital's costs.
 
2007-06-29 10:24:47 AM
Easy solution - stamp everything they own with their prisoner # - bedsheets, pillowcases, pillows, etc. That way, everything flushed can be easily traced back to the prisoner and returned to the prisoner to teach them a lesson. I'm pretty sure that sleeping on crappy sheets and pillow would deter the behaviour quickly.
 
2007-06-29 10:32:13 AM
Bored Horde: The people locked up in that hellhole number at 1,000.

The prison has the facilities and cells to house 600.

Do the math.


sounds like a good reason not to commit a crime and get sent there.

//like my freedom.
 
2007-06-29 10:35:02 AM
The local jail had to install a shiat grinder in the sewer line too. At like $80,000 bucks.
 
2007-06-29 10:38:49 AM
Bored Horde Or: make it mandatory that prisoners take courses...

Gosh, I'd like to get my MBA, but currently can't afford it (the time or money). Maybe I should commit a felony, so I have the time off plus free classes!

And to everyone suggesting you take away their stuff - just try it. The wailing and gnashing of teeth from the bleeding-heart crowd will be deafening.

//prisons are GIGO
///just ask Paris
 
2007-06-29 10:48:09 AM
Gee, I donno...How about if you flush your clothing you don't get any more, you get punished (say, unclogging toilets), and you don't get to use the toilet anymore, you get a bucket.

Act like an adult and you get treated like an adult.

/ Tired of criminals complaining about jail...don't do the crime if you don't want to go to jail
 
2007-06-29 11:01:47 AM
Prisons are too nice. If they don't want things like jumpsuits, sheets, and plumbing....just give them one cell, two buckets (water & ewww)and one jumpsuit. If they lose it or destroy it, tough. They get a paper exam gown until their birthday.
 
2007-06-29 11:09:05 AM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have the numbers on what taxpayers are spending monthly on our presence in Iraq?
 
2007-06-29 11:11:55 AM
lostcat: Just out of curiosity, does anyone have the numbers on what taxpayers are spending monthly on our presence in Iraq?

Ya, because our soldiers are criminals! CRIMINALS!

/ Won't someone think of the children!
 
2007-06-29 11:26:45 AM
lostcat: Just out of curiosity, does anyone have the numbers on what taxpayers are spending monthly on our presence in Iraq?

No, and it has not bearing on a discussion about prisoners flushing uniforms down the shiatter.

/Damn, you people that do that in EVERY farking thread are so farking annoying!
 
2007-06-29 11:27:10 AM
Flushing your jumpsuit down the toilet? Nay. Flushing someone else's jumpsuit down the toilet, that is probably more of what happens.

/It's not the big guys jumpsuit!
 
2007-06-29 12:48:49 PM
Let em go naked, cos they sure wont steal the clothes off an weaker inmate.
Make em go in a bukket, cos they sure wont throw that at guards.

"The big issue now is payment," Child said. "It's been almost two years, and we haven't seen any movement at all."

Yeah, thats the ticket. Wastewater treatment is holding out on creative frugal solutions in favor of extracting a big payout.
 
2007-06-29 12:59:10 PM
Hard to steal a jumpsuit when they are in solitary because they can't walk around naked, but you have a point about the bucket. So give 'em toilets, just nothing to clog them with. Of course, prison foodstuff is probably enough to make a toilet clog.
 
2007-06-29 01:13:01 PM
How the heck can they get a jumpsuit to go down a toilet? Those must be industrial strength toilets.
The only solution is to install a grinder.
 
2007-06-29 01:42:27 PM
I approve of keeping prisoners who decide to flush their clothes away being completely naked. Just give them a LOT more time in the shower. I bet they'll beg for new clothes...
 
2007-06-29 03:37:55 PM
It's kind of like vandalism.


Y'think?
 
2007-06-29 06:59:15 PM
Clearly these prisoners need the upgraded cable package they deserve! Get the Red Cross in there, quick!
 
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