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(WSPA-7)   South Carolina issues official middle finger to REAL ID mandates   (wspa.com) divider line 60
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2007-06-27 03:04:27 PM  
suck it, Big Brother! Instances like that and this:

www.scdmvonline.com

are the only reasons I'm able to live in this state and not start killing rednecks
 
2007-06-27 03:34:26 PM  
Excellent.
 
2007-06-27 03:50:55 PM  
States Rights! States Rights!
 
2007-06-27 04:03:15 PM  
After careful deliberation over ID program, South Carolina tells Feds to "Get REAL."

yes? no?
 
2007-06-27 04:05:12 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2007-06-27 04:06:19 PM  
FTA

South Carolina is now one of 32 states that have either opted out or have bills pending to do so.

Is there a list of the other states that said no anywhere?
 
2007-06-27 04:06:37 PM  
www.state.sc.us
Go SC!
 
2007-06-27 04:06:51 PM  
1 downd 49 to go.
 
2007-06-27 04:08:41 PM  
so if you live in south carolina you'll need a passport to enter a federal building

//ha ha
 
2007-06-27 04:09:01 PM  
Woohoo! Go South Cack-a-lack!

I mean, it's kinda backwards and doesn't make much sense but hey, saying 'Fark You' is kinda the state motto around here.
 
2007-06-27 04:09:04 PM  
FTA: South Carolina is now one of 32 states that have either opted out or have bills pending to do so.

Anyone know the other 31? Seems like SC has some company.
 
2007-06-27 04:09:28 PM  
Isn't South Carolina slowly being populated by nutbar Christian fundamentalists who want to make their perfect Christian state?
 
2007-06-27 04:09:59 PM  
Of course, South Carolina will, in turn, pass a law stating that you cannot get into a state-owned building with a REAL-ID compatible card.
 
2007-06-27 04:10:32 PM  
The federal law says citizens will have to have a REAL ID-compliant license or ID in order to board an airplane or enter a federal building

Hmmm. What if you are called for federal jury duty? Will the fed court hold you in contempt because you don't have a fed ID? May have constitutional ramifications re: the jury pool.

/Where's the HERO tag for SC?
 
2007-06-27 04:10:37 PM  
Those darn liberal hippy people of South Carolina

oh wait thats the REDDEST of Red states
 
2007-06-27 04:10:38 PM  
Solon Isonomia No it's not.
 
2007-06-27 04:10:43 PM  
Proud resident of this fine state right here.


...but I hate Myrtle Beach. Don't tell Vannah.
 
2007-06-27 04:11:43 PM  
I hope you can see this,
www.amazingben.com
because I'm doing it as hard as I can
 
2007-06-27 04:13:45 PM  
img1.fark.com

when was the last time SC agreed with new hampshire? this is awesome...


states rights! states rights!
 
2007-06-27 04:14:02 PM  
bmjord.people.wm.edu
Take THAT Real ID.
 
2007-06-27 04:16:08 PM  
Solon Isonomia

Yeah, but the intelligent resident take what we can get. You don't get to root very often for a state that still maintains giving schools and government jobs 'Confederate Memorial Day' off.

Who knows? Maybe they'll decide a bunch of other libertarian issues are worth pissing people off for and vote them in.
 
2007-06-27 04:16:50 PM  
brandoj


ONE TWO THREE FOUR ONE TWO THREE FOUR
C-L-E-M-S-O-N!
T-I-G-E-RRRRRS!
FIGHT TIGERS FIGHT TIGERS FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!



/usc sucks more than duke
 
2007-06-27 04:17:08 PM  
My God...my grammar is almost done dying off entirely. It's like...I've been reading fark or something.
 
2007-06-27 04:17:17 PM  
South Carolina, telling the Federal Government to go fark itself since 1861.
 
2007-06-27 04:18:27 PM  
L B Jeffries: You don't get to root very often for a state that still maintains giving schools and government jobs 'Confederate Memorial Day' off.


....the fark you talkin about?
 
2007-06-27 04:18:42 PM  
That lengthier process would mean longer lines at the DMV.

If this is their biggest gripe with the federal ID then I think they need to find something else to complain about.

I renewed my license AND registration this year at the DMV and it took 45 minutes. This is what the new computerized systems have done and with the current systems there won't be that much of an increase in wait times.

Hell, the DMV here has kiosks for registration renewal...it takes 10 minutes.
 
2007-06-27 04:19:26 PM  
That's awesome. I wish Canada could opt out too...

They keep trying to make things tougher at the border, and then backing off because no one is prepared to, or even wants to, undergo the huge hassle. Governments included.

I'm not breaking any new ground when I say that you have to accept some risk of terrorism to live in a free country. Actual security is virtually impossible to create in a country people would actually want to live in, so the best you're going to get without the Gestapo is a charade. A pain in the ass, charade. TSA anyone?
 
2007-06-27 04:19:53 PM  
L.B. Jeffries

You don't get to root very often for a state that still maintains giving schools and government jobs 'Confederate Memorial Day' off.

Well excuse me, but didn't 3 out of 4 males participate in the war for Southern independence? That war almost wiped out a whole generation of people in South Carolina - and say what you want about the civil war, but honoring those people who fought and died defending their homeland is alright with me.
 
2007-06-27 04:23:38 PM  
South Carolina...

I bet you're thinkin it's a real big victory for civil rights and freedoms till you realize it's cause THE GUVNAH DON'T WANNA WAIT IN NO LONG LINES GAH DAMMIT!
 
2007-06-27 04:24:45 PM  
I said it back when it was enacted, and I'll say it again, the Seventeen Amendment was a big mistake.

Repeal the Seventeen Amendment!
 
2007-06-27 04:26:39 PM  
wpmulligan

If you don't like the Seventeenth Amendment (like pretty much nobody does), you should invest some time into learning about Ron Paul.
 
2007-06-27 04:27:24 PM  
I'm so glad someone is resisting the real-id. Plus I have been looking for somewhere besides New Jersey to live. Looks like SC just moved to the top of the list for me to research.
 
2007-06-27 04:29:21 PM  
wpmulligan Oh, and SC is a proud non-ratifier of the seventeenth amendment.
 
2007-06-27 04:38:51 PM  
"The federal government cannot afford to have millions and millions of its citizens unable to get on an airplane."

Wanna bet?
 
2007-06-27 04:42:46 PM  
Devin172: South Carolina, telling the Federal Government to go fark itself since 1861.

One of the many reasons why I LOVE living in this state!

/Here's to the Sovereign Republic of South Carolina!
 
2007-06-27 04:43:02 PM  
HotWingConspiracy I can tell you what, if any South Carolina residents are disallowed from boarding a plane, the state would secede before it caved and implemented the Real ID. And seriously, pretty much nobody in SC would be able to enter a federal courthouse, all the airports in SC would go out of business, etc. etc. - the fed obviously can't beat a state with the stick that used to be dangling a carrot.
 
2007-06-27 04:44:31 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2007-06-27 04:44:44 PM  
Brandoj:

You are correct sir.

Also:

The civil war was not I repeat NOT about slavery.

Lincoln couldn't give a rats ass about the slaves. He only freed them with the hopes of having an uprising in the slave population. He's lucky he won the war or he might have been shot for crimes against the people of the southern states.....wait, never mind...

And before you pin me as a racist:
1. I am not from the south, and believe black slavery was awful.
2. I'm also against white slavery, sex slavery, and baby rape.
3. I also think blacks in America are better of here in America then in Africa...just sayin.

/now go ahead and pin me racist.
//not racist: I hate everyone equally.
 
2007-06-27 04:46:57 PM  
PTW16 One of the many reasons why I LOVE living in this state!

Here here! I would say that anti-centralized government streak is alive in SC, though I'd say it's waning. You really have to hand it to Sanford for being a leader on this issue - he's got that libertarian streak in him.
 
2007-06-27 04:49:27 PM  
brandoj:You really have to hand it to Sanford for being a leader on this issue - he's got that libertarian streak in him.

One of the reasons why I love Mark Sanford. By the way, his speech at the Charleston FireFighters' Memorial Service was nothing short of Presidential.

South Carolina: Telling everyone else to stay the hell out of our state politics since....well, since old rich cranky white men came here!
 
2007-06-27 04:52:00 PM  
 
2007-06-27 04:55:06 PM  
Mr Seabass

Preston Brooks is the man isn't he? Here's a guy who was expelled from the University of South Carolina after he was told that his brother was being unjustly imprisoned by the local police and he literally showed up at his cell and held the place up at gunpoint. Later injured in a duel with a future Texas representative when his dad was made fun of (hence the cane). Then when Sumner libeled SC and Butler (even mocking his speech impediment) your picture ensued - there are some lines you don't cross in the 1850s.

People all over the state sent him replacement canes, and the city of Charleston sent him one with "Hit him again" inscribed on it.

Quite a character. Why there is not a biography of this guy I cannot understand.
 
2007-06-27 04:56:53 PM  
PTW16 By the way, his speech at the Charleston FireFighters' Memorial Service was nothing short of Presidential.

You got a link?
 
2007-06-27 05:05:30 PM  
Here.

Looks like it just shows clips of everything. I wish I could find the whole speech somewhere...

No pops b/c I'm lazy.
 
2007-06-27 05:12:10 PM  
Mark Sanford
"I stand before you on behalf of every South Carolinian simply saying, we are so sorry, that we grieve for you, we grieve with you, and above all else we lift you up in prayer.

"No matter what I say, the reality is that come Sunday supper some dads that would have been there, will not be home. Those $2 haircuts that would have taken place at the station won't happen.

"... We've got to ask, well, what (does) it all mean and where do we go from here? And I don't think any of us can fully answer right now what it all means."

"Who we are crucially depends on what we're willing to stand up for in life. In short, are we willing to walk the walk?" said Gov. Mark Sanford. "They walked their walk right into the company of angels and to heaven's gate."


Not only will Mark Sanford give the federal government the middle finger, but he does many other things eloquently. He's also against lots of spending. Fark, I wish he was running for President!
 
2007-06-27 05:16:15 PM  
According to Wikipedia, which appears to be outdated now, the other States that are resisting it: New Hampshire, Maine, Utah, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Tennessee, Montana and Washington. Massachusetts has a bill pending.
 
2007-06-27 05:21:41 PM  
MrSeabass

They only thing Myrtle Beach has going for it is the historic Speedway and a few other historic things. To make matters worse, it's on the northern radar much in the same way Cary is.
 
2007-06-27 06:22:59 PM  
spleef420: I renewed my license AND registration this year at the DMV and it took 45 minutes. This is what the new computerized systems have done and with the current systems there won't be that much of an increase in wait times.

If your state implements RealID, the days of simple license renewals will be just a memory.

When you go to renewal, you'll need your license, proof of citizenship or legal residency, proof of living at the address you claim to live and your Social Security card.

The clerk at the DMV will have to take these documents, verify them as authentic and make digital copies of all your documents, which must be stored for at least 7 years.

Then the state must contact the issuing agencies that provided your documents and verify them as authentic. Depending on the documents and where you obtained them, this could take anywhere from minutes to weeks.

If they reject one of your documents, you'll have to provide another document and restart the process again.

Most people will prove citizenship through their birth certificates. The DMV will have to contact the health department or courthouse that issued the birth certificate (where ever it may be) and validate the certificate.

This also raises the question: What if your birth record has been destroyed (New Orleans, for example)? What if you don't have a Social Security number? What if you live with someone and don't have a bill or lease/mortgage with your name on it?

Oh, you won't be able to use the renewal machine or renew over the Internet, phone or mail.

For those in state where licenses won't expire for a long time (Arizona, for example), RealID requires all drivers to exchange their licenses for RealIDs by 2013, regardless of expiration date.
 
2007-06-27 06:43:26 PM  
MrSeabass: ....the fark you talkin about?

As a state employee in SC, I enjoy confederate memorial day every year. (We lost some other piddly holiday when we got this one, though.)
 
2007-06-27 08:12:49 PM  
brandoj

and say what you want about the civil war, but honoring those people who fought and died defending their homeland as traitors is alright with me.

FTFY
 
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