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(Arizona Star)   Arizona State's iconic football stadium collapsing due to rust and water damage. Architects hadn't accounted for maintenance workers hosing down stadium after each game   (azstarnet.com) divider line 56
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2007-06-25 03:09:20 PM
Saw many things there: my first concert ever, U2 12/20/87, which was filmed for "Rattle and Hum", tons of Cardinals games, tons of ASU games, US men's soccer, and ran in the Pat Tillman race there the last few years, Rolling Stones a couple times...

Hope it gets fixed, because it is a first class venue.
 
2007-06-25 03:12:03 PM
I was trying to figure out subby's joke, then I rtfa and remembered fark doesn't make many jokes these days. I are serious fark.
 
2007-06-25 03:17:46 PM
Lazy janitors.

Too good to push a broom?
 
2007-06-25 03:24:15 PM
meh. It's a wash.
 
2007-06-25 03:25:18 PM
FTFA: including replacing metal bleacher seats that become scorching hot in the summer

So they didn't waterproof it because it's in a desert, but they installed metal seats despite it being in a desert? What a bunch of morans.
 
2007-06-25 03:27:25 PM
it's gonna suck if they use a different stadium in a different location, it's in a great spot and seeing the people going up on that mountain to see the game for free is one of those cool little unique things that they used to have in the old days in baseball stadiums (which they're re-incorporating into the new parks) where a small number of people can peek in for free although there aren't seats and it's not a super view of the action or anything.
 
2007-06-25 03:28:02 PM
joeycolby: So they didn't waterproof it because it's in a desert, but they installed metal seats despite it being in a desert? What a bunch of morans.

that way you sell the seat cushions :-P
 
2007-06-25 03:35:07 PM
Ha! Stupid Sun Debbils.

/wildcat
 
2007-06-25 03:36:09 PM
That should take a year or two off of The Dennis Erickson Experience.
 
2007-06-25 03:37:05 PM
That's not ironic, it's just stupid.
 
2007-06-25 03:46:31 PM
Ironic oxymoron?
 
2007-06-25 03:48:05 PM
Submitter: Arizona State's iconic football stadium

Iconic...you use that word, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

graphics.fansonly.com
 
2007-06-25 03:49:54 PM
dmd8605: Iconic...you use that word, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Iconic, yes. Historic, no.

Sun Devil Stadium was a terrible NFL venue, but its still one of the best college stadiums around. I'll have to see if I can find some cool pics of it.
 
2007-06-25 03:51:18 PM
The Horseshoe...the Big House...Happy Valley...Touchdown Jesus...Rocky Top...Death Valley (both of em)...

Those are iconic subby. Sun Devil...not so much.
 
2007-06-25 04:27:11 PM
Ironic............. because Arizona has no water?

Just guessing.
 
2007-06-25 04:27:49 PM
Interesting how this story comes out 5 days before the end of the school's fiscal year. Trying to get some last-minute donations?
 
2007-06-25 04:36:09 PM
Sun Devil Stadium was a terrible NFL venue, but its still one of the best college stadiums around.

Probably the only reason it was a terrible NFL venue was because of it's occupants.
 
2007-06-25 04:55:12 PM
joeycolby: So they didn't waterproof it because it's in a desert, but they installed metal seats despite it being in a desert? What a bunch of moran

I can't think of any sort of material that wouldn't get scorching hot in the Arizona sun. Even plastic seats get hot. Plus the vast majority of ASU football games are played at night to avoid the heat.
 
2007-06-25 04:57:52 PM
PurplePimpSaber: the Big House...

...is a decrepit toilet bowl where the spectators are a gazillion miles away from the field. The "fans" there are renowned for sitting on their hand and acting as if they're in a gigantic library. They cheat a little bit with the numbers there too, I forget the exact numbers for their seating but they're two inches less than what is considered the standard in most big time college football venues. If they didn't feel like cramming their geriatric fan base into their archaic stadium and gave them the extra two inches The Horseshoe would just barely beat them capacity wise. In short, their stadium is a joke.

Not really but everything I said is true at least to some degree.
 
2007-06-25 05:02:09 PM
Okay, how about ASU? My school is better than ASU and deserves to be in the Pac-10. Doesn't have to be ASU, I'll take WSU too. OSU gets a pass because they've won back to back championships in baseball (lame) and beat USC last year.
 
2007-06-25 05:29:23 PM
Freak

You go to Fresno St? It is the only school in CA that is not in the PAC 10 already that I can even fathom someone trying to argue they belong in the PAC 10.
 
2007-06-25 05:44:41 PM
why is it that thread that is at least slightly connected to college football turns into a UofM/tOSU thread?
 
2007-06-25 05:46:41 PM
srhp29: You go to Fresno St? It is the only school in CA that is not in the PAC 10 already that I can even fathom someone trying to argue they belong in the PAC 10.

Off-topic, I don't think that the Pac-10 should take Fresno State aboard. Not that either side is pushing for it but they're one of the schools bandied about in hypothetical situations for the Pac-10 beefing up to twelve teams. The Pac-10 already has the best system in college football where each team plays one another and adding more teams so they could have a money grabbing "conference championship game" would be silly in my opinion.
 
2007-06-25 05:47:17 PM
srhp29: You go to Fresno St? It is the only school in CA that is not in the PAC 10 already that I can even fathom someone trying to argue they belong in the PAC 10.

And there's no reason to drop ASU or WSU or OSU. Quit being a douche, Freak. Just support making it into the Pac-12, then we can pick up Boise State and some other CA school. Then people can STFU about Boise State's weak schedule and the Pac-10 becomes more powerful (at least in football)
 
2007-06-25 06:01:15 PM
IAmRight: And there's no reason to drop ASU or WSU or OSU. Quit being a douche, Freak. Just support making it into the Pac-12, then we can pick up Boise State and some other CA school. Then people can STFU about Boise State's weak schedule and the Pac-10 becomes more powerful (at least in football)

I'll support the "Pac-12" as long as my school is one of the additions. As it stands right now, you can go undefeated (e.g. Boise State) but if you're not in a big name conference, you don't get invited to the championship game.
 
2007-06-25 06:05:50 PM
Freak

I'm sorry, but are you just going to keep calling it "my school" or go ahead and let us in on the secret. I guessed Fresno as your profile says you are in CA, but that doesn't mean you don't go to school out of state. Where is "your school"?


And WoodyHayes, I was not even suggesting I believe the Pac 10 should expand. Just trying to guess where that guy's unnamed school is.
 
2007-06-25 06:10:51 PM
Freak: As it stands right now, you can go undefeated (e.g. Boise State) but if you're not in a big name conference, you don't get invited to the championship game.

The problem wasn't their conference, well, it was but not really. The problem was their horrid schedule strength due to their conference and only having a mediocre at best Oregon State squad for their OOC schedule. I looked it up a while back and I think Boise State and one other school (Utah State I think it was) were the only schools in the WAC had at least two BCS schools in the OOC portion of their schedule. In addition, BSU played 1-AA Sacramento State which is a massive no go when you know your schedule is going to be weak even without playing a 1-AA team. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that in my opinion, Boise State screwed themselves which I don't like because the players and fans got the shaft from their coaching staff and athletic department.
 
2007-06-25 06:12:14 PM
srhp29: And WoodyHayes, I was not even suggesting I believe the Pac 10 should expand. Just trying to guess where that guy's unnamed school is.

Yeah, I should have clarified that I knew that wasn't what you were suggesting.

"My school" could also be San Diego State I suppose, they had a rough year last year but they've been at least somewhat respectable for maybe the last four years or so.
 
2007-06-25 06:24:12 PM
Freak
I'll support the "Pac-12" as long as my school is one of the additions. As it stands right now, you can go undefeated (e.g. Boise State) but if you're not in a big name conference, you don't get invited to the championship game.


Check Auburn in 2003. BSU's schedule stinks. You win ONE big game and that does not entitle you to a national championship. Try playing LSU, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia EVERY YEAR
 
2007-06-25 06:27:11 PM
Wouldn't BYU be a better fit in the PAC 10 or 12 or whatever than Fresno State?
 
2007-06-25 06:34:02 PM
Hang On Voltaire

Yes, but Freak didn't name his school and I was guessing at where he might go in CA. Woody did mention SD St as being another option, but BYU is the best option for a team joining the Pac 10 out of pretty much all candidates I have ever heard rumored...
 
2007-06-25 06:34:35 PM
WoodyHayes: The problem wasn't their conference, well, it was but not really. The problem was their horrid schedule strength due to their conference and only having a mediocre at best Oregon State squad for their OOC schedule. I looked it up a while back and I think Boise State and one other school (Utah State I think it was) were the only schools in the WAC had at least two BCS schools in the OOC portion of their schedule. In addition, BSU played 1-AA Sacramento State which is a massive no go when you know your schedule is going to be weak even without playing a 1-AA team. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that in my opinion, Boise State screwed themselves which I don't like because the players and fans got the shaft from their coaching staff and athletic department.

I agree Boise had a weak schedule, but it's not like the BCS is a legitimate post season system anyhow. It's all about money and the Fiesta Bowl was far more entertaining than the actual championship game. Look whose on the cover of NCAA 08. Personally though, I thought the championship game (CG from now on) should have been a rematch of Michigan vs OSU. I watched the entirety of their first match, but tuned out halfway through the CG when OSU was getting beat like they stole something. Then again, Michigan got whipped too in the Rose Bowl, so maybe neither belonged anywhere near the CG.
srhp29: I'm sorry, but are you just going to keep calling it "my school" or go ahead and let us in on the secret. I guessed Fresno as your profile says you are in CA, but that doesn't mean you don't go to school out of state. Where is "your school"?


content.answers.com
 
2007-06-25 06:34:58 PM
Hang On Voltaire: Check Auburn in 2003.

They had the lowest ranked SoS of the three involved teams, they didn't get the shaft.
 
2007-06-25 06:37:29 PM
WoodyHayes: "My school" could also be San Diego State I suppose, they had a rough year last year but they've been at least somewhat respectable for maybe the last four years or so.

If for some reason you consider no winning seasons in the past eight years and no bowl games since '98 respectable, then sure, they've been 'respectable'.

Pac-10 isn't expanding anytime soon. They've finally gone to a full round-robin schedule where every team in the league plays eachother each year so why mess with it?
 
2007-06-25 06:37:49 PM
I guessed the mighty Aztecs of San Diego State! What do I win!?!?

/got the crap scared out of us at home by San Diego State in 2003
//was a very nervous day in The Horseshoe
 
2007-06-25 06:38:53 PM
chechcal: If for some reason you consider no winning seasons in the past eight years and no bowl games since '98 respectable, then sure, they've been 'respectable'.

More goes into it than just a record. They're not world beaters but they're not the absolute bottom of the barrel either.
 
2007-06-25 06:39:16 PM
Freak

You do realize that neither Michigan or Ohio State really played much as far as a schedule goes last year and were both over-rated at the end of the season right? I think USC and Florida proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Ohio St played Texas...a very weak Texas compared to recent years while Michigan's big win came against another very overrated team in Notre Dame. Neither team really belonged in the NC game and neither would have likely made it there in a playoff system. Not that I am all about a playoff either. Would I hate one? Nah. Do I require one? Nope.
 
2007-06-25 06:42:14 PM
Hang On Voltaire: Check Auburn in 2003. BSU's schedule stinks. You win ONE big game and that does not entitle you to a national championship. Try playing LSU, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia EVERY YEAR

Read my new post, and I agree Auburn got screwed. But that's the BCS.

WoodyHayes: "My school" could also be San Diego State I suppose, they had a rough year last year but they've been at least somewhat respectable for maybe the last four years or so.


Great guess! Also, thanks for the grudging respect, that means a lot coming from you.


To all of you about to start ragging on the Aztecs, they went to the tournament twice in five years, won their conference two years ago, and field a pretty respectable basketball team every year. Football is a different story, but if so many kids didn't leave San Diego to play elsewhere (e.g. Reggie Bush at USC) I think we could do well. But I believe being in a big conference will get SD recognition and increase recruitment, and hopefully enable us to compete on a level with the Buckeyes, Gators, and Trojans of the college football world.
 
2007-06-25 06:48:29 PM
srhp29: You do realize that neither Michigan or Ohio State really played much as far as a schedule goes last year and were both over-rated at the end of the season right? I think USC and Florida proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Ohio St played Texas...a very weak Texas compared to recent years while Michigan's big win came against another very overrated team in Notre Dame. Neither team really belonged in the NC game and neither would have likely made it there in a playoff system. Not that I am all about a playoff either. Would I hate one? Nah. Do I require one? Nope.

I said as much in my post. I just wanted to watch a rematch because I think it would have been a much more close thing than the actual NC game was. I had no personal stake and watched that game just to see some good football, but ended up changing the channel when it became so lopsided. It's hard to predict a good match-up though.
 
2007-06-25 06:49:59 PM
Freak: Great guess! Also, thanks for the grudging respect, that means a lot coming from you.

Hey you're welcome.

During the 2003 game your fans were going apeshiat during the entire game, there is no way there were more than 2,500 at the absolute max but they were having the time of their lives seeing their team take it to the defending national champs. Under no circumstances was our win assured in the end and we got lucky with a 99 yd pick six, final score was 16-13 IIRC. The San Diego State fans were very supportive of their team and gave them a great applause at the end for coming oh so close, classy fans.

After that game when we were walking out of The Horseshoe my buddy and I were talking with two San Diego State fans and they were pretty cool guys, we wished them luck the following year against Michigan (you guys scared the crap out of them as well) and gave them some directions before parting ways.
 
2007-06-25 06:53:30 PM
Freak

It's hard to predict a good match-up though.

That's the truth. Especially in a game that means so much. One team gets up a couple scores earlier and the other starts to panic and it is lights out. Seen that in way too many Super Bowls over the years. We don't get USC/Texas...OSU/Miami to decide championships very often.
 
2007-06-25 06:58:45 PM
WoodyHayes: More goes into it than just a record. They're not world beaters but they're not the absolute bottom of the barrel either.

Since '02 they've won more than 4 games just once. They managed to assemble some semblance of a defense when Kirk Morrison was there, but other than that, the entire program has been a disaster on and off the field. Probation, steroid allegations, the AD being forced to resign, etc. The way that program has been handled is a travesty and embarrassment, especially when you consider the built in advantages of incredible weather and arguably the richest local recruiting area in the country.
 
2007-06-25 07:02:06 PM
WoodyHayes: During the 2003 game your fans were going apeshiat during the entire game, there is no way there were more than 2,500 at the absolute max but they were having the time of their lives seeing their team take it to the defending national champs. Under no circumstances was our win assured in the end and we got lucky with a 99 yd pick six, final score was 16-13 IIRC. The San Diego State fans were very supportive of their team and gave them a great applause at the end for coming oh so close, classy fans.

After that game when we were walking out of The Horseshoe my buddy and I were talking with two San Diego State fans and they were pretty cool guys, we wished them luck the following year against Michigan (you guys scared the crap out of them as well) and gave them some directions before parting ways.


Wish I could have been there. Then again, maybe not. It's intimidating to walk into a stadium like that. I've seen some OSU games on TV, and it's insane. I know people say Alabama fans are the most rabid, but any team that can inspire hatred of an entire state just because of a football rivalry, has to be tops imo.

srhp29: That's the truth. Especially in a game that means so much. One team gets up a couple scores earlier and the other starts to panic and it is lights out. Seen that in way too many Super Bowls over the years. We don't get USC/Texas...OSU/Miami to decide championships very often.

Thanks for reminding me, that was a great game. I was at work unfortunately, but I kept calling my brother every ten minutes for updates (didn't even have a radio) and watched the replay later. Talk about exciting. The Fiesta Bowl this past season was great too. I love football, and those two games were football at its finest.
 
2007-06-25 07:11:36 PM
WoodyHayes: The Pac-10 already has the best system in college football where each team plays one another and adding more teams so they could have a money grabbing "conference championship game" would be silly in my opinion.

I like it but I'm looking at it as a way to benefit Boise State and strengthen the football of the conference. They certainly do have the best system, however.

The problem wasn't their conference, well, it was but not really. The problem was their horrid schedule strength due to their conference and only having a mediocre at best Oregon State squad for their OOC schedule.

Well, part of it has to do with that (OSU beat USC, however, and won their bowl game, so they're not as "mediocre" as people claim, they're not in the top echelon with the big time schools but they're certainly a good second tier team capable of knocking off the top-level teams (they also would've beaten LSU a few years ago had their kicker made a damn XP or FG)). But also, you have to find people willing to play you for OOC, and that's hard to do given the fact that the people who know football knew that they were a pretty powerful team...but the people who do the voting didn't view them that way, so it's a gamble certainly not worth taking for a big school to play them.
 
2007-06-25 08:56:57 PM
This can probably be attributed to typical ASU laziness.

/Go 'Cats
 
2007-06-25 09:53:55 PM
Ex-Wildcat here, but I will grudgingly say that Sun Devil Stadium is truly an impressive, unique stadium.
 
2007-06-26 12:27:27 AM
i fail to see how this is ironic. it's just stupid.
 
2007-06-26 12:31:08 AM
roryman: i fail to see how this is ironic. it's just stupid.

It's ironic that a stadium built in a desert would be collapsing due to water damage.
 
2007-06-26 02:43:57 AM
Um, The Rose Bowl is iconic. The Coliseum is old and garbage, but iconic. Autzen Stadium is cool, but not iconic. Sun Devil Stadium is just a stadium.

/Go Bruins
 
2007-06-26 03:13:11 AM
roryman: i fail to see how this is ironic. it's just stupid.

It is ironic because they hosed down the stadium to keep it in good condition and by doing so destroyed it. Why do people think it is cool to come into a thread with an ironic tag and say "It's not ironic" even when it is?
 
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