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2007-06-24 06:34:29 PM  
My SIL hasn't had her tubes tied because the only hospital in her county is Catholic.

There are a lot of areas where the only hospital is Catholic, and therefore won't perform sterilizations, abortions, or administer contraception, emergency or otherwise.

It's easy to say "then don't move there," but sometimes the Fish on Fridays crowd buys an existing hospital. Then you're just fuct if that's the only option.

/worked for a Catholic hospital
//they openly practiced wage discrimination against single women
 
2007-06-24 06:34:37 PM  
DarthBrooks
How, exactly, is my statement self-centered? I have no uterus. I'm just trying to keep small-minded busybodies from telling women what to do with theirs.

scuffer
Sounds like we're kind of on the same side, but why would someone who'd had four abortions be refused medical treatment? To me, that's like someone who's had four warts removed being refused treatment because they'd not kept up on some anti-wart medication or something. If she wants her uterus emptied again, why is it anyone's business but hers?

(I mean, I think she's an idiot for getting unintentionally pregnant four times in one year, but then, whatever, let her have all the abortions she wants. Better that than to have cranked out three future inmates or something.)
 
2007-06-24 06:34:39 PM  
Yay, another christian bashing thread.

/Yes, sarcasm meter pegged
 
2007-06-24 06:36:49 PM  
You offer certain services to the public, you have to meet certain standards. Welcome to the post-18th century world. Go back to work and stop whining about the erosion of your right to control other people's lives.
 
2007-06-24 06:37:43 PM  
MannaxOne: Yay, another christian bashing thread.

B-b-but Catholics aren't Christians...

/cue Chick tracts
 
2007-06-24 06:38:07 PM  
But Clinton got a BJ in the Oval Office.

Never forget
 
2007-06-24 06:38:10 PM  
btw, someone should fix the headline...

should read "...forcing hospitals to OFFER contraception..."

and not "...forcing hospitals to GIVE contraception..."
 
2007-06-24 06:39:41 PM  
...or "...forcing hospitals to give contraception IF THEY WANT IT..."
 
2007-06-24 06:41:16 PM  
jamesx
People, the abortion/birth control debate has nothing to do with preserving life, and everything to do with maintaining women as second-class citizens/incubators with legs etc.

FTW. At the grassroots level, yeah, I think a lot of people do care about it because of religion/secular morality. In terms of our policy makers, I think jamesx's got it right.

Ahh, the good old days, when you used to be able to actually say to a woman's face, "The reason Tom got promoted over you is because you're just going to quit when you get married." After all, if she's bound to get pregnant, there's maternity leave and then the risk of becoming a stay-at-home mom to worry about. And you can't have that in a high-position job, now can you?
 
2007-06-24 06:47:42 PM  
The church of rome should just shut up ,and concentrate their efforts fully on making those hot, schoolgirl skirts, a little shorter ...mmmmmm yummy !
 
2007-06-24 06:55:43 PM  
I guess this means that some hospitals did not want to store and dispense ru486 or any of the other options.

Somebody did force the rape victim to do something she did not want to do, it is only fair that she she should be able to force her will on the hospital of her choice.
 
2007-06-24 06:56:05 PM  
Prolifers, Put money where your mouth is.

If you think life is so precious. Adopt the unwanted little bastards. Then you'll be practicing what you preach. Otherwise STFU.
//Catholic and Pro choice.
 
2007-06-24 06:56:48 PM  
what, no bevets?
 
2007-06-24 07:00:21 PM  
Unright
Anyone remember a few months ago when some crazy lady was pissed that doctors wouldn't remove her perfectly functional legs?

To those saying the doctors should always acquiesce to the wishes of the patient, you do need to draw the line somewhere..


OK I'm drawing it right after the right to decide the best course of medical treatment for your own body and right before I'm a freaking wackjob that thinks my legs are trying to eat me.
 
2007-06-24 07:01:00 PM  
In the 21st century Americans are still dealing with the attempted influence of a medieval theocracy in Europe. Is it just me, or is that weird?
 
2007-06-24 07:02:11 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy
-Fertilization does not occur until 72 hours after intercourse.
Slightly incorrect on that.
Correct statement would be:
-Fertilization can occur up to 72 hours after intercourse.
The little wigglers can live up to 3 days inside the woman and usually only 1% actually make it to the tubes to fertilize the egg.

/My 2 cents worth.
 
2007-06-24 07:02:15 PM  
I think my constant exposure to what the Pope and the batshiat-insane Baptists want is a violation of my pursuit of happiness and freedom from religion...

God sacrificed his only son and we can't scrap a few fetuses and cell clusters? Bah.
 
2007-06-24 07:02:39 PM  
pxlboy: what, no bevets?

Weaver95 is the bevets of "Christian bashing" threads.

yet he's still pays $5 to support the site that he thinks is biased against Christians.

Fark is a hell of a drug.
 
2007-06-24 07:03:00 PM  
BooRadley

In the 21st century Americans are still dealing with the attempted influence of a medieval theocracy in Europe. Is it just me, or is that weird?


You missed the past couple of presidential elections, didn't you?
 
2007-06-24 07:03:12 PM  
For some reason I first read this as the law forced hospitals to administer plan B to the patient regardless of the patients wishes. Imagine...
Woman,shaken:"I can't believe this happened...Oh, well...I..I think I'm going to keep it"
Doctor:"Aww..thats sweet! Too bad honey.. we already stopped it! Silly woman, thinks she has a right to keep her child. The government knows better than you! DUH!"
 
2007-06-24 07:04:13 PM  
yet he's still pays $5 to support the site that he thinks is biased against Christians

not the 'entire site'. just a few people who should know better.
 
2007-06-24 07:08:01 PM  
In the 21st century Americans are still dealing with the attempted influence of a medieval theocracy in Europe. Is it just me, or is that weird?

You missed the past couple of presidential elections, didn't you?


No, I didn't, this has been a painful realization for a while. A near majority of Americans is painfully stupid and deluded, and I insist on living here because I have no real choice. The Taliban takes on different forms in different places I guess.....
 
2007-06-24 07:08:49 PM  
Unright: To those saying the doctors should always acquiesce to the wishes of the patient, you do need to draw the line somewhere..

To deny a rape victim contraception? That's not even remotely like the scenario you presented about a patient and her wishes.
 
2007-06-24 07:11:21 PM  
www.asia-shop-top.de

Remember to use an all purpose sauce when grilling the tasty abortion, because most condiment producers tend to overlook the delicacy of human flavor.

/thread was getting slow
 
2007-06-24 07:12:08 PM  
Wait, I understand a person having religious freedom, but a hospital??? It's a building, one designed and equipped for the care of people who are injured or ill, but it's still a building, you know an inanimate object.

Exactly. And what makes this even worse is that they are complaining about giving out the pill to women who were raped. They had no control over whether or not they had unprotected sex yet these people have a problem giving out a pill. It's ridiculous.
 
2007-06-24 07:12:42 PM  

Am I supposed to believe that rich, influential Catholics don't quietly subsidize abortions for their girlfriends, daughters, mistresses, etc.? Disgusting hypocrites.

Meanwhile in related news, we read the Catholic Avenger Bill Donohue the Pedo's Friend saying:

"The degree of corruption in the Delaware Legislature is matched only by the selective indignation its lawmakers have for child rape," League President Bill Donohue said. "The legislators are owned -- lock, stock and barrel -- by the teachers unions. Teachers can grope all they want. They can rape little kids. And now they will be protected by making it harder to prosecute them."


What's that all about? Well, Bill Donohue the Pedo's Friend is talking about a new law which removes the statute of limitations for cases of child molestation in Delaware. It used to be that one would have to file suit within two years of the act. No longer, thanks to the Delaware legislature. This does not, of course, have the effect of "making it harder" to prosecute child molesting teachers; that's just Bill Donohue the Pedo's Friend lying again.

This new law has Bill Donohue the Pedo's Friend all upset, because it's so unfair. See, when repeat-offending predatory professional Catholics, such as Rudy Giuliani's good close buddy Monsignor Alan Placa serial-rape small children as they so adore to do, their emotionally scarred victims or their horrified parents can sue the Church for gross negligence. However, the state is immune to lawsuit due to the principle of sovereign immunity, just as it was before the new law got passed.

Of course, the statistical facts in the real world are, a.) Delaware public school teachers, generally speaking, don't run around molesting small children, and b.) lots and lots and lots and lots of Catholic priests notoriously do.

And of course the instant a public school teacher is suspected of improper sexual contact with his students he invariably gets fired on the spot, so provided the schools do basic background checking, it's hard to understand how they'd be liable for damages. In contrast, when some rotten loud-mouth brat with a torn anus goes and reveals the naughty secret about Father Pervo and his peripatetic penis, rather than Father Pervo's superiors calling the police and having the criminal deviant hauled off in chains like any civilized people with an ounce of decency would do, instead, as a matter of apostolic policy they say nothing to the police, but quietly relocate the boy-rapist to a new diocese - with lots of fresh new pre-teen boy-flesh - and cover up the holy sex-crime for all they're worth.

So anyway Bill Donohue the Pedo's Friend is all indignant because he thinks public schools teachers who happen to be child rapists are really getting away with something, while child rapists whom his church employs subject their dioceses to lawsuits, and that's just so unfair!

Note, also, his assumption that everybody is naturally into this kind of thing. Hey Bill Donohue the Pedo's Friend, maybe you should hang out with some people who aren't Catholic priests. Meanwhile if I see you waving around your Holy Staff within a hundred yards of my kids, I'll kill you with my bare hands.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the Catholic Church is absolutely morally bankrupt when it comes to sexual matters. If, in pursuance of their deranged religious beliefs, they don't want to hand out ordinary medicine in accordance with state laws that's fine with me; the state should respond by pulling the licenses for their hospitals, and that way the Catholic hospitals won't have to trouble their oh-so-delicate yet strangely numb consciences by dealing in any prescription medicine at all.

And here Weaver95 insists that I respect this revolting hotbed of moral zeros, and should I not, then he accuses me of bigotry! Well, accuse away, Weaver95! Sure I'll respect the Catholic Church and its perverted doctrines concerning sex. Right after I work up some, like, multi-cultural respect for bin Laden's kill-crazy Taliban pigs.
 
2007-06-24 07:13:29 PM  
Scuffer Let me give you the short version, since you didn't understand my post:

You don't get pregnant until 5 days after you had sex. The Plan B is taken before you get pregnant. Got it?

I think you're thinking of RU-486.. the abortion pill. That is different.
 
2007-06-24 07:16:10 PM  
"It's a long standing issue for me, and one of my least favorite aspects of this particular website. For some reason it's considered acceptable (even admirable) to imply that all members of the Roman Catholic clergy are pedophiles. In my book, that's little more than hatred and bigotry. What's more - there are people who will post on this thread and see absolutely nothing wrong with hating people merely because they're Christian and/or Catholic. The kicker? these are usualy the same people who consider themselves 'enlightented'"

The church earned its enmity by actively shielding its pedophiles. If they didnt go so far out of their way to shelter pedophiles, I doubt they be the butt of such ire. Sure only a few (dozen?) priests did, but those who knew and abided it were legion.
 
2007-06-24 07:17:04 PM  
"Abortion issues aside, I'm much more concerned with the government forcing someone (in this case a hospital) to do things that violate their religious beliefs. If you can't see why that's a huge problem, then we really ARE screwed."

No one is forcing them to do anything. If they do not feel that they should do what the patient feels is in his/her best interest, then they are perfectly free to work another job.
 
2007-06-24 07:17:15 PM  
How dare these Catholics offer low cost hospital care while being Catholic! They must be stopped! Next thing you know, they will offer low cost schools in impoverished areas that out perform better funded public schools! The farking nerve!
 
2007-06-24 07:18:14 PM  
Weaver95: If doctors actually followed the Hippocratic Oath, then one could easily argue that most abortions would never take place at all.

Nah, the ancient version of the Oath foreswears abortion (at least via pessary) but the 20th century version doesn't.
 
2007-06-24 07:18:32 PM  
In drug flamewars all Total Fark and Liter Fark sing Weaver as true libertarian, until the next thread where he says something they don't agree with. Then he's a rabid wing-nut Christ crusader here to rape all non believers with wooden crosses built by handicapped children. Fickle crowd.

The guy seems like he has two personalities. In one thread he can be the most rational person around, then in another he sounds like a a radical fundamentalist.
 
2007-06-24 07:19:37 PM  
MickCollins: How dare these Catholics offer low cost hospital care while being Catholic! They must be stopped! Next thing you know, they will offer low cost schools in impoverished areas that out perform better funded public schools! The farking nerve!

If you're going to practice medicine, you better get your practices approved by the state. And the state says if you can't do it right, then don't do it at all.
 
2007-06-24 07:19:57 PM  
OK Fine.......

Every single organization, regardless of the sector it serves (public, private, government, business, other, some combo, etc.) is allowed to choose its own moral compass that supercedes any civil or criminal statutes within the geographical area it is located.

The caveat is that their specific moral guidelines must be prominently posted and before the organization can conduct a transaction of any kind with any other entity/customer - said entity/customer must agree to and sign off on all provisions of the organization's moral guidelines.

If an issue comes up that isn't covered by the existing moral guidelines, the law of the land will be what is used. At a future time the organization can amend their moral guidelines, adjust their public posting, and send out amendments to all existing customers to get their signatures on the newly adjusted guidelines.

Police departments will need to keep exacting information on all hospitals and medical clinics in regards to their current moral guidelines and will only be able to send rape and incest victims to organizations that will treat them with all medically available alternatives.

Should a police department exist in a jurisdiction that does not include a hospital or medical clinic that is willing to offer all available medical alternatives, that municipality will be required to open, operate and maintain a facility that does.

See....that's way easier than our current system. Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't embrace it. Those ignorant people that refuse to accept that morning after drugs do not abort a fetus can still hole up in their alternative universe and the rest of us can have viable alternatives to carrying a product of rape or incest to term.

Or something.
 
2007-06-24 07:20:25 PM  
I just love the history.

The same group that tortured people, murdered women and children, and even today molests little boys and then covers it up has a problem with birth control and abortion.

We have night-lights people, you don't need to be afraid of the dark or the bogeyman anymore. Gather up your courage and leave the myths and fairy tales behind...
 
2007-06-24 07:22:36 PM  
wkiernan: Well, accuse away, Weaver95! Sure I'll respect the Catholic Church and its perverted doctrines concerning sex. Right after I work up some, like, multi-cultural respect for bin Laden's kill-crazy Taliban pigs.

I thought I might have to come in here and lay a little smackdown on some people, but I can see that has been taken care of, quite masterfully. Bravo.
 
2007-06-24 07:23:33 PM  
academic.evergreen.edu

Won't Somebody Think of the Homunculi?

The term homunculus was later used in the discussion of conception and birth. In 1694, Nicolas Hartsoeker discovered "animalcules" in the semen of humans and other animals. This was the begining of spermists' theory, who held the belief that the sperm was in fact a "little man" (homunculus) that was placed inside a woman for growth into a child. This seemed to them to neatly explain many of the mysteries of conception. It was later pointed out that if the sperm was a homunculus, identical in all but size to an adult, then the homunculus may have sperm of its own. This led to a reductio ad absurdum, with a chain of homunculi "all the way down". This was not necessarily considered by spermists a fatal objection however, as it neatly explained how it was that "in Adam" all had sinned: the whole of humanity was already contained in his loins. The spermists' theory also failed to explain why children tend to resemble their mothers as well as their fathers, though some spermists believe that the growing homunculus assimilated maternal characteristics from the womb environment in which they grew.
 
2007-06-24 07:27:44 PM  
pwhp_67: The same group that tortured people, murdered women and children, and even today molests little boys and then covers it up has a problem with birth control and abortion.

Yes, and it's all going to be corrected by a legislatiure that once condoned slavery and denied women the right to vote.

But keep going with Unchanging World generalizations - they're hilarious.
 
2007-06-24 07:28:59 PM  
Plan B IS NOT RU-486.

How many Plan B threads are we going to have before the only ones confusing contraceptives with abortifacients are just trolls stirring the pot?

If you think preventing a pregnancy (contraception) is in any way a murder, you are a farking moron. Ever had a wet dream before, serial killer?
 
2007-06-24 07:30:54 PM  
lol
 
2007-06-24 07:31:05 PM  
Look, you bunch of sexually screwed-up old, old, useless CELIBATE OLD MEN, you have NO GODDAMN RIGHT to dictate ANYTHING about these matters.

The Catholic Church is likely responsible for screwing up more poeple's sex lives than any other organization on the planet.

I have ZERO respect for these busybody old coots that purport to speak for some imaginary man in the sky!
 
2007-06-24 07:32:41 PM  
LudditeAndroid

I refer you to my homunculi post, above. Every sperm is sacred and not to be spilled on the dusty ground. These people fear that God will have a reckoning for each sperm that can't be found.
 
2007-06-24 07:35:19 PM  
vdantev

Nothing says good Christian pro-life love like forcing women to give birth to their rape babies. It's what Jesus would want was.

Fixed Modified that for you to abet the recycling of my own lame and trollish contribution seagull dropping.

/statutory with about a 15 billion year age difference
 
2007-06-24 07:36:42 PM  
sappho.d.beeblebrox

Who would have ever thought that Foobies would be an accessory to spermicide?
 
2007-06-24 07:38:03 PM  
Day_Old_Dutchie: The Catholic Church is likely responsible for screwing up more poeple's sex lives than any other organization on the planet.

image.guardian.co.uk
You tell 'em, kid!
 
2007-06-24 07:41:02 PM  
I take the straight science way of viewing it. Theres no magic to human life. The moment of birth doesn't magically make a baby a living thing that it wasn't a moment before when in the womb.

Sperm and Eggs? - Cells that have the potential to someday turn into human life if combined in the appropriate matter. (Therefore no biggie if you destroy a billion of them)

Fertilized egg? - Human life

Using a drug to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting is killing it, which is killing a human life.
 
2007-06-24 07:44:55 PM  
1984 is Coming: Using a drug to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting is killing it, which is killing a human life.

Put a fertilized egg on the kitchen counter and see how quickly it develops into a human life.
 
2007-06-24 07:45:03 PM  
1984 is Coming
Fertilized egg? - Human life

Using a drug to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting is killing it, which is killing a human life.


I love arguments based on arbitrary and unfounded designations.

Why is it so magical once the sperm and egg come together? 'Potential' is not a can of worms ye wants to be opening.
 
2007-06-24 07:45:39 PM  
Weaver95Oh good. Another bigotry thread.

I think I'll sit this one out and just report the Farq violations.


Oh jesus christ on ice skates...You are probably the last person to be calling foul for bigotry...I could go back to several other threads to point out all the crap you spew, but alas, it's not worth the time.

Take off your blinders and move outta that glass house.
 
2007-06-24 07:45:51 PM  
sappho.d.beeblebrox

homunculus : ORIGIN mid 17th cent.: from Latin, diminutive of homo, homin- 'man.'

Would that make tribbles gynunculi?
 
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