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(AP)   Firefighters who filled a pool using a hydrant may face theft charges. Must be special water   (apnews.myway.com) divider line 90
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2007-06-21 10:36:22 AM
Usually the fire department will attach a meter to the hydrant and bill you for the water used. Construction companies that use large water trucks have them, why wouldn't a fire department.

concordcobber: Do victims of a burned down house have to pay for the water used by the fire department to put down the flames?? The answer to the question is NO

It's considered operating costs by the f.d. and is part of your city/county property tax. You don't get a physical bill, but you do pay for it.
 
2007-06-21 10:36:57 AM
BANKAI

Yes, lucky you for having the St Lawrence River that provides your water and electricity.
 
2007-06-21 10:37:40 AM
Submitter is an LSD-addled retard.

"OMFG, beecuz teh firemenz use teh water for teh firez they get to fill teh poolz0rz!!!111"
 
2007-06-21 10:37:53 AM
Yeah, um, here they will fill your pool for free, with the only catch being that you have to work around their schedule. Fire Departments regularly have to go discharge hydrants for a number of reasons, and if it so happens that it's possible, they will gladly fill your pool with so-called "flush waters." It's clean, safe water that would have been wasted anyway.
 
2007-06-21 10:40:41 AM
We dump thousands of gallons of the same hydrant wanter off into the woods every week for drill at my fire dept... Who pays for that?
 
2007-06-21 10:45:50 AM
sems740

We dump thousands of gallons of the same hydrant wanter off into the woods every week for drill at my fire dept... Who pays for that?

Is it possible (just maybe), that the water is counted as one of the COSTS of your training?

/better stick to smokeeating.
 
2007-06-21 10:46:33 AM
The cost of water probably was not on their mind. They probably wanted to swim and knew that this was the quickest way to fill the pool.
 
2007-06-21 10:47:11 AM
Firefighters filling pools with fire-hydrants

One of the tricks of the trade, eh boys?
 
2007-06-21 10:49:04 AM
sems740

I run a water plant so I'm getting a kick....

"We dump thousands of gallons of the same hydrant wanter off into the woods every week for drill at my fire dept... Who pays for that?"

The utilities customers pay for that but your use of water provides a very valuable service. The firemen stealing water to fill their buddies pool does not. I've never understood why people think it's ok to steal water but not telephone, electricity, gas, etc.
 
2007-06-21 10:53:00 AM
Anyone who's mad about filling a pool for free is simply jealous that they don't have a pool for themselves.
 
2007-06-21 10:53:04 AM
the dude's lawyer Internal Investigations is getting riled up about someone stealing $60(ish) worth of water? Either it's been a slow month in Wyandotte County or something else is up...

I want to tell you about the County of Wyandotte, Kansas, where this was happening here, they got three stop signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars, being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to get in the newspaper story about it.

And they was using up all kinds of cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station. They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and they took twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach, the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to mention the aerial photography.
 
2007-06-21 10:54:25 AM
/filled mine with garden hose
 
2007-06-21 11:00:20 AM
It does not cost alot of money and they are firefighters doing it. So they steal from there work a little bit. They risk dying all the time, Let them use their judgment and if it gets out of control talk to them. I'm not saying stealing is ok but I'm not sure charging them is any better.

/I bet the truck is not very fast the next time an officer has a house fire.
 
2007-06-21 11:01:28 AM
nanofreak: Not to mention the pressure drop if by chance there was a fire in the same vicinity and they really needed to use the hydrant.

Chances are if there was a fire nearby the firefighters would have been called off of pool duty to go fight it therefore eliminating the pressure drop.

/actually thought about calling the FD to fill my pool this year but used the slow garden hose method instead
//Still pays flat rate for water
 
2007-06-21 11:04:31 AM
only issue here is response time. they should have done it on the books. FTFA: It would have added 20min+ to response time for them to reel in the hose if they had a call. The water isn't free, but it's still damn near.


/spensive water in future i'm sure
//price of moon air, didn't heinlein write about that?
 
2007-06-21 11:14:12 AM
uncre8tv: //price of moon air, didn't heinlein write about that?

Quite a few times.

Mostly in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
 
2007-06-21 11:15:15 AM
Around here you can have the fire department fill your pool for a fee.

Rather than 2-3 days with a hose (less if you have some unobservant neighbours) you can have the pool filled in about an hour and a half.
 
2007-06-21 11:17:43 AM
This is farked we used the fire hydrant to fill our pool every year for free, you just have to call the local F.d. and they sent out a guy with the wrench. You don't have to pay him but we always hook him up with some suds while we fill the pool. Also you have to let them use your pool in an emergency, but they fill it back up afterwards.
 
2007-06-21 11:18:44 AM
Wonder what the cost of the firemens training and the cost to litigate this and train their replacements will be?
 
2007-06-21 11:31:49 AM
WeenerGord - better yet, what will it cost for the FD to hire a new "Ethics Trainer" and develop a program which the taxpayers will support for the next few decades? I bet that pricetag would fill a few pools.
 
GCD
2007-06-21 11:32:33 AM
In many places, the fire hydrants are hooked up to the water mains. Thus, as someone pointed out, it drops the pressure for the area - houses, businesses, etc.

So because some asshat wanted their pool filled, the rest of the area should have to suffer?

There are alternate means of filling a pool - many FDs have a tanker that carries a load of water.

Using the hydrant was just poor judgement on their behalf. They don't deserve to be fired, but they should be disciplined.
 
2007-06-21 11:37:23 AM
So firefighters vented the fire hydrant into a pool. Big farkin' deal.

Next thing you know cops will be suspended for letting their relatives and friends out of speeding tickets.

Drug reps will be suspended for using some of their free samples at home.

Concert security will be fired for letting some of their friends in.

Blockbuster managers will get fired for watching movies for free.

I could go on but I'm sure everyone here has their own examples.

Why do people get so twisted about e v e r y t h i n g ?
 
2007-06-21 11:42:43 AM
GCD
So because some asshat wanted their pool filled, the rest of the area should have to suffer?

There are alternate means of filling a pool - many FDs have a tanker that carries a load of water.


I have never seen a FD with a tanker that can fill a pool. It would have aprox. 166800 pounds of water in it. Anyway most of the time in my area they fill it with the hydrant, Would low water pressure make you SUFFER? I have never had it affect the water pressure.

/Do not have a pool but have managed to deal people around me having one.
 
2007-06-21 11:43:42 AM
spickus: Right.. of course not.. people dont.. uh.. steal any of those things.

/*eyes dart back and forth*
//I'm just thinking of a really fast pingpong game.
 
2007-06-21 12:05:13 PM
Repeat Man !!!

Wow the hate...

/Going to fill 2 more pools...still for free... still no bill
 
2007-06-21 12:07:13 PM
Heard this on the local news driving in; total cost of the actual water was about $25 according to the radio. The focus was not the money, but the fact that the firefighters could have been 'potentially' delayed from going on an emergency call. That and the whole ethics bit of misuse of city/county equipment, personnel, yadda yadda.. And it only came to light because some crotchety moron saw it and felt it was worth their time to complain. If these guys get more than a slap on the wrist and ethics training, then some folks have too much time on their hands down at the 'gubment' offices in the 'Dot. Seriously, we still have a teenager missing from Belton and this is what they focus the news on? Travesty- Missing Girl from OP Ks gets national attention, but missing girl from whiskey tango Mo gets none. sheesh.
 
2007-06-21 12:19:20 PM
Yes, but did it have the electrolytes that plants crave?
 
2007-06-21 12:26:31 PM
whitman00: Next thing you know cops will be suspended for letting their relatives and friends out of speeding tickets.

They are.

Drug reps will be suspended for using some of their free samples at home.

They are.

Concert security will be fired for letting some of their friends in.

They are.

Blockbuster managers will get fired for watching movies for free.

That's an employee perk allowed by the company.
 
2007-06-21 12:41:12 PM
The average swimming pool takes 18,000-20,000 gallons of water to fill.

I'm sure it's not free. Subbie should ask to see his parent's water bill and do the math before using the stupid tag.


Uh, it's only about $15 per 10,000 gallons. I'm not exaggerating. So they "stole" maybe $30 worth of water. BFD.

...Unless you're in a drought area, then it's probably more expensive.
 
2007-06-21 01:48:47 PM
As a firefighter, thats insane. That waste more water flushing a hydrant assuming the guy pool isn't olympic sized. At the most just bill the guy for the water charge him $50 for using the fire deparment. Now the hard part a chief of some level has to get to his computer and write an email stating the fire department can't be used to fill privater pools.

getting fired over that is just asinine.

Funny thing about all this is, most volunteer departments (in my area ar least) fill pools once a summer for the people who ask. But, I guess I don't live in KC.
 
2007-06-21 02:34:36 PM
1. You have to open every hydrant every once in a while to make sure it works when you need it.
2. It's not smart to use hydrant water in a pool. It's rusty, oily and not nice & fresh. You'll spend the summer just trying to treat it to make it work.
3. The water itself is just worth a few bucks. Businesses that use that much water every day pay a lot less that a residence that uses that much water in a year.
 
2007-06-21 03:48:33 PM
Fire hydrants don't have water meters on them.
Therefore, the water utilities can't charge for it.
Probably why they are in trouble.
 
2007-06-21 04:22:17 PM
whitman00
So firefighters vented the fire hydrant into a pool. Big farkin' deal.

Next thing you know cops will be suspended for letting their relatives and friends out of speeding tickets.

Drug reps will be suspended for using some of their free samples at home.

Concert security will be fired for letting some of their friends in.

Blockbuster managers will get fired for watching movies for free.

I could go on but I'm sure everyone here has their own examples.

Why do people get so twisted about e v e r y t h i n g ?


Some people (especially cops) just have gigantic sticks up their butts. I've seen customers get mad at video store employees because they get to see the new releases a week early.
 
2007-06-21 05:11:51 PM
The residents deserve the bill and the firefighters deserve the disciplinary action they'll be receiving.
 
2007-06-21 05:59:33 PM
MWeather:

You are full of it.

I work with drug reps. They are not regulated as closely as you think. They cannot sample controlled drugs. Companies don't care if they pop a zyrtec or two.

I am very good friends with a person high up in stadium catering in Philadelphia. People get in all the time.

Cops let people out of speeding tickets all the time for any reason they want. It is their discretion.

Find me one reference that anyone has ever been busted for the examples I cite.

People need relax. Poles up everyone's %$$ just makes for a miserable world. If the cost of the pool fill up was $50 and the firefighters filled up 1000 pools of friends every year it would cost every man, woman and child in Kansas City... 11 cents.
 
2007-06-21 09:50:27 PM
I'm a cop who likes to snitch on firemen and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/can't wait until cop's house is on fire and see how fire dept. responds
 
2007-06-21 11:09:33 PM
Blah blah it's stealing. Get a life.

They got practice using a hydrant.
They often vent hydrants anyway into the street.

Where I grew up, they would fill up nurse tanks all the time for farmers and such.

It's a whopping financial loss!
 
2007-06-21 11:14:45 PM
I should add, I know a lot of firefighters...and they GET REALLY REALLY BORED...a lot.

Doing good deeds in the community, making friends.

So...if they rescue a cat from a tree, are they breaking the law or doing a good deed?
 
2007-06-22 12:54:32 AM
I've actually been on a FF crew that did this....for a sports bar outside event with bikini contest, bobbing to the bottom of a pool for prizes, etc.

Some places do it for donations for charities, fallen firefighter funds, etc.
 
2007-06-22 02:16:08 AM
AXESMI: Fire hydrants don't have water meters on them.

But you can put a meter on them (fire departments do this all the time)

Charge him for the water, fine him for the infraction, get on with your life.

Christ, who hasn't pilfered little shiat from work?
 
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