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2001-07-16 08:49:57 AM
Same people who don't have the brains to think beyond this kind of conservative drivel really need to understand why it IS such conservative drivel.

Unless it's a joke?
 
2001-07-16 09:21:12 AM
Take a look at http://www.punknews.org , it's the same layout. I think we found a new fark layout. haha
 
2001-07-16 09:33:36 AM
If I need Right Wing News, I have NewsMax.

If I need Right Wing Commentary, there's FreeRepublic.

I think this qualifies as a vanity site.


benjamin
 
2001-07-16 09:41:37 AM
If I want left-wing news, I have CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNBC, a and PB-farkin'-S to rely on. As one of Hil-liar-ry's "r-w conspirators", it's good to see the other side get in a few shots. Seeing some of the reaction so far is pretty damn funny, too.
 
2001-07-16 09:47:12 AM
You forgot Salon, Slate, Washington Post, and the grandaddy of them all, The New York Times
 
2001-07-16 10:34:24 AM
The interesting article in there was about digital copyright and the Libraries (the last article) , ""They've got their radical factions, like the Ruby Ridge or Waco types," who want to share all content for free, said Judith Platt, a spokeswoman for the Association of American Publishers."
 
2001-07-16 12:35:49 PM
While at the same time, many others would call these same sources "Corportate Media".

Claiming "liberal media" or "corporate media" usually says much more about the person making the claim than about the media source.
 
Rei
2001-07-16 01:09:04 PM
At least they don't try and hide the fact, making you have to look at their gift shop.... ;)

BTW, I am sooo unimpressed with how little they altered slashcode for that site : P It looks almost like slashdot just with a different color scheme ;) 'Cmon, the whole purpose behind slashcode is that it is *configurable*! :)

HappyFunBall:
Exactly. You don't know how crazy it drives me when people claim that. Though, these are usually the same people who are into conspiracy theories and the like.

People, get real. Is there some reason why there would be more democratic journalism majors than republican journalism majors? Or does constant exposure to the realities of the world tend to make someone a democrat? Or, perhaps, its due to the fact that, on average, Democrats come from more educated parts of the country?

We may never know :) But, there has to be a reason, you can't just blame it on a conspiracy.

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 01:14:10 PM
it's farked...
 
2001-07-16 02:15:25 PM
Baron was right, go to Punknews it looks almost exactly like it, even more than it does Slashdot
 
2001-07-16 02:46:59 PM
Actualy REI there is an explanation. Go to most Universities and walk into the English or Journalism departments. What you will find there are a large number of very far left leaning people teaching (this is based on my experiences and the experiences of others with whom I have discussed this issue). In addition, most of these people have spent their entire life in academia (Undergrad, Grad, Asst Prof, Prof, etc, and have never had to face the world outside. Therefore they have not been exposed to the realities of the economy that most of the people in the world have to face. They are the people that educate and mentor the people that become the reporters, journalists, and news editors of the future. Now before the flames start please remember that this is a generalization and yes, even I know plenty of exceptions. However, my experiences are in line with this reasoning.
 
Rei
2001-07-16 03:00:19 PM
Jumbotron:
Continue on your logic train to its next stop ;) So, the *university professors* in english and journalism tend to be leftists, mm? Ok, then, now why is that? And by what means do they filter out or corrupt conservatives? Is there some journalism grading standard that filters them out, perhaps?

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 03:11:44 PM
Its normal for people of like mind to look for each other. And yes grading does have some small part in it. If you turn in conservative leaning work it will receive lower grades. Its natural bias. I have had it work both ways. I have had teachers who were conservative give me better grades because of content and liberal give me worse. As far as filtering out or corupting conservatives it has much more to do with the fact that few people who have a conservative bias are drawn to English and Journalism. They tend to be drawn more to Business and Engineering disciplines.

Lets look at this from the other side. Do you think there is a conservative bias in the military. I do, why, because people with a conservative bias are more drawn to military service.
 
2001-07-16 03:24:03 PM
"Warning: Too many connections in /usr48/home/devilkin/public_html/mainfile.php on line 17
Unable to select database"

looks like it's been farked too. we're destroying the lives of everything in our path! hooray for us!
 
2001-07-16 03:33:38 PM
I tend to think that the structure of media sources in general reflect any bias they might have.

If, for example, media sources were owned by unions or political parties, then the stories selected or the prominence they get within that source would reflect the bias of that union or political party.

Since we basically have a privately-run commercial media system, the biases reflect that structure in what stories get attention or prominence based upon what serves the underlying commercial interests. This does not necessarily translate to a "political" bias, but rather that the news will reflect commercial interests.

Not a conspiracy at all, but rather a reflection of the underlying structure.
 
2001-07-16 03:38:22 PM
I agreee with Jumbotron regarding the journalism profs (and students for that matter) being leftist. That was my experience on campus. I don't know whether they grade conservatives more harshly, or use their secret Vulcan mind techniques to 'turn' them, but I know that if I were considering a career as a journalist, I'd be put off by have to run the gauntlet of those folks before I could work. Self-selection may have more to do with it than filtering.
 
2001-07-16 03:42:29 PM
Happyfunball:If, for example, media sources were owned by unions or political parties, then the stories selected or the prominence they get within that source would reflect the bias of that union or political party.

Had campaign finance reform passed, you might have seen exactly that. One of the work-arounds that was talked about was having interest groups actually purchase media outlets in order to get their message out. We may very well have seen the NRA and Teamsters News Networks (in effect; I'm sure they'd have been given names that would make their affiliations less obvious).
 
2001-07-16 04:06:40 PM
Good call, Jumbotron.
 
2001-07-16 04:27:32 PM
Here is a simple test for the Farkers out there. The next few times you watch the national news on TV, listen for the words "Conservative" and "Liberal." Also try "Right Wing" and "Left Wing."

Do you notice anything? Good, I knew you would.
 
2001-07-16 04:33:04 PM
Then again, maybe the information you were getting on campaign finance reform was just a scare story from the commercial interest presenting it. :)

Seriously, though, from my point of view, whether it's the NRA news, or the GE Nightly News, or Disney News Tonight makes little difference as long as the underlying interest of the source is made clear to the audience by the source presenting it.
 
2001-07-16 04:45:06 PM
Who is the NRA news? Fox?

GE=NBC
Disney=ABC
Who owns CBS?
 
2001-07-16 04:46:59 PM
I heard conservative about twice and liberal about 20 times but of course in Canada, there is a party called the Liberals.

I think all journalists should voluntarily admit what they are and who they voted for. Then people couldn't complain about a secret bias. But of course they won't, they want to seem "neutral" but there is no possible way to be neutral unless we have computers reporting the news.

Anyway, I think we gave too much traffic to this site and it's down. Ha.
 
2001-07-16 04:47:53 PM
Viacom owns CBS.

I think
 
Rei
2001-07-16 04:56:39 PM
Lalalala:
Just as a side note, the more times you hear "conservative" or "left wing" tends to indicate an organization is liberal; the more times you hear "liberal" or "right wing", that tends to indicate that the organization is conservative. This is due to the fact that people consider people like themselves "normal", and don't need a label.

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 04:58:47 PM
Lalalala, good call. Viacom owns CBS, MTV, Nickelodeon, VH1, BET, Paramount Pictures, Infinity, UPN, TNN: The National Network, CMT: Country Music Television, Showtime, Blockbuster, and Simon & Schuster.
 
2001-07-16 05:01:26 PM
Rei, I think you flip-flopped the right wing and left wing
 
2001-07-16 05:08:32 PM
Rei:

=) Yes, I've tried that test before. CBS (or Dan Rather) is probably the worst offender for having a liberal bias.
 
Rei
2001-07-16 05:09:01 PM
MitchCumstein:
Not at all. As I stated, a group tends to consider themselves "normal", and thus won't bother to label themselves; they'll label "others".

Jumbotron:
So you're saying that there is something about english and journalism that makes liberals tend to become professors? What, perhaps? That was the whole point ;)

BTW, if "your people" are the military and the people running big companies, and "our people" are those who can report and those who can write, well, I'll take our people over your people any day ;)

I think the real issue comes down to the education curve, myself. It certainly would explain the fact that Bush took almost all of the sections in the US with the lowest highest graduation rates, and why colleges in general have often been treated as "hotbeads of liberalism".

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 05:19:53 PM
As a side note to Rei's comment, people also tend to become more conservative as they get older (and wiser).

I was an English major, and conservative. I wrote essays pretty much like I post here-- right-wing and inflammatory. I got A's from my very liberal professors, and was encouraged to defend my opinions in class. It was a blast.

And Rei... Without "my people" to employ and protect "your people," you and the rest of the grasshoppers would starve.


benjamin
 
Rei
2001-07-16 06:21:50 PM
Benjamin:
The old people I've known haven't been very wise. Wisdom - the ability to reason - is something the young and middle aged usually carry - it degrades with age. What the old have is knowledge - a collection of facts. While this used to be an important asset, since the advent of widespread writing, it hasn't been. I am not, by any means, suggesting we not respect the elderly - far from it. I am, however, suggesting that "the elderly believe this" is a silly reason to believe something. The elderly I've known have been technophobic. A large percentage of them that I've known were Y2K panickers. A lot of them are racists. Etc. They came from a different time - one where it was acceptable to hate people for their skin color, let alone sexuality. Where a "computer" was a person who sat down and did calculations with slide rules for hours on end. Where the US's urban/rural population distribution was radically different. Where the parties were radically structured differently. And it greatly reflects apon them. Compared to the average population, they're hardly what I'd call voters to model yourself after.

Also, as a side note, the elderly tend to be less educated on the whole. 70-80 years ago, for example, it was almost undheard of for women to go to college. So, we're back to the education issue. :)

Your second paragraph attacks Jumbotron's argument for me. Thanks! :)

As for 3: Oh, we can get jobs just fine without your people - look at western europe :) We just wouldn't have the monopolistic-style megacorps, or oppression of individual rights. But, we do appreciate your people's marching around where people are trying to shoot at you. :)

-= rei =-
 
Rei
2001-07-16 06:32:12 PM
CNN.com:

References to 'left wing': 21
References to 'right wing': 37

References to 'liberal': 50
References to 'conservative': 24

I don't see a bias. Anyone want to check any other news organizations?

Claiming a "liberal bias" just makes conservatives look really immature. It really does. And, to be honest, it really makes it look like you can't defend your own arguments, and have to rely on attacking others.

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 06:33:40 PM
Rei is on the loose again. God help us all.
Rei: I love ya babe (haven't got the boobie pics yet though ;).
Just because your a Liberal doesn't mean you cant love us wacky Conservatives. We are not the Devil, we don't eat children, we are not out to repress you, and we don't want to destroy the environment.
Before you quote a million, zillion web sites showing how us Conservatives are actually the spawn of Satan, let me remind you that we are people. Nothing more, nothing less. Some believe one way, and others another.
With that said, I would like to ask you to marry me, or show me boobies, which ever you are most comfortable with.

Peace,
HedCheez
 
2001-07-16 06:46:14 PM
As a generalization it seems to that Liberals always seem to be more creative than Conservatives. Most musicians, artists and painters I know or have heard of are liberals. There also a lot funnier to party with. Plus the chicks seem to put out more. Conservatives also seem to be a pastie white color like they dont get enough sun.
 
Rei
2001-07-16 06:47:37 PM
Radeon:
Awww... and I was going to go do a study on what political parties have the most children-eaters ;) heheheee

and, you know radeon, I haven't even seen *any* pic of you ;)

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 06:55:03 PM
And we eat pizza with a knife and fork, which is just wrong.

benjamin
 
2001-07-16 07:01:59 PM
Kizer_Sozie: Gee, let me see. I am a musician that has played professionally for more than 5 years, I have painted in Paris (naked ladies I mind you), and I am funny as hell (ask Rei). I live in Florida and have the skin tone of Adonis and I dislike people that make generalizations.
Oh, and I am a conservative.

Rei: If my wife will allow, or if I can sneak away, your will have your pic, just don't laugh. Because I am sure that Kizer_Sozie will say I will have a small penis. Not that you really care ;)
 
Rei
2001-07-16 07:06:13 PM
Laf, you're married????
and what does your wife think of this???

(though, I'm one to talk, I'm in a civil union with my partner, heheheee ;) ).

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 07:12:19 PM
Hmmm.. I wonder if I could pull off some reporting for some of these guys. Heheheheheheheehehehehehehehehehe....

Rei- the bias is seen by conservatives in the way they talk about conservatives or liberals. Of course the John Birch Conservatives see bias in alot of things.

RF
 
2001-07-16 07:14:16 PM
Ahh, it just occurred to me you were being smug, Rei.

My first paragraph unabashedly agreed with you, and my second paragraph with both you and Jumbotron. That was my intent.

(Your first paragraph begins with a fallacy, rambles on about technology, advises us that you are not disrespecting the elderly, and then proceeds to generalize and do just that.)

Yes, liberals tend to be better educated. Universities are hotbeds of liberalism, and I agree, it's safe to say, the more time you spend in college and away from a working-class life, the more likely you are to be a liberal.

At this point it's important to draw a (rare) distinction between liberals and Democrats. A vast portion of the Democrat voting block is very poorly educated-- inner city minorities and immigrants, held in thrall by Democrats who promise ever bigger and better handouts to buy their votes.

The unfortunate side effect of this higher education is the liberals' foolish belief that they are therefore smarter than anybody else, and that they should be put in charge of a large government which will proceed to relieve you of the burden of self-responsibility-- at the expense of your liberty, of course.

The flip-side of the coin is the average conservative, who trusts rather in the intelligence and wisdom of his forebears (or his pastor), and believes that THEY should be the ones to dictate how others lead their lives.

The trick is to find new and better ways of doing things-- allowing the advancement of civilization-- without having the arrogance to discount the accumulated knowledge of thousands of years of human experience.

benjamin
 
2001-07-16 07:17:21 PM
Radeon: I hope you have a Dictionary because you need to look up the word generalization. But anyway, do you have a small penis?
 
2001-07-16 07:21:02 PM
Rei: My wife and I have an agreement. I don't cheat, and neither does she. But we can look upon the body of the opposite sex and enjoy what we see. She also understands (and so do I of her) that flirtation is a normal process of the human being.
We sleep together at night. That is what matters.
Not what you would think of an Conservative couple, huh?
 
2001-07-16 07:31:08 PM
Kizer-Sozie: Yes very small. So small that my wife has stuck with me for 10 years. So small that I have fathered 4 children, one of whom (in which is small peckerd father is very proud) will attend Penn State with a full ride based on academic achievement.
Also this small united person and his wife is yet to have a child that has an I.Q. under 130. Of course this is a letdown since my wife has an I.Q. of 159 and I of 147. Oh, I guess a small penis does have its problems.
 
2001-07-16 07:42:51 PM
Ya I have a small penis to. And I think you really need a vacation Radeon.
 
Rei
2001-07-16 07:42:58 PM
Radeon:
Yeah, its not a very typical conserviative view. I'd be curious what your opinion is about your party's stance on censorship, and mandatory net filters, and the like. :)

Benjamin:
There is a big difference between respect and mimicry. I suggest we respect the elderly - life is a hard enough struggle to make it through, and you should respect them for making it. That doesn't mean you have to act like them.

At this point it's important to draw a (rare) distinction between liberals and Democrats. A vast portion of the Democrat voting block is very poorly educated-- inner city minorities and immigrants, held in thrall by Democrats who promise ever bigger and better handouts to buy their votes.

That is a myth. The average urban population is more educated than the average rural population.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/LaborAndEducation/ruraleducation/

The unfortunate side effect of this higher education is the liberals' foolish belief that they are therefore smarter than anybody else, and that they should be put in charge of a large government which will proceed to relieve you of the burden of self-responsibility-- at the expense of your liberty, of course.

Oh, of *course* at the expense of your liberty! That's why the ACLU is a dirty word for the GOP, and are big supporters of the democratic party, right? ;) Seriously, take a look at voting records. Whenever it is pitted "corporations against individuals", the republicans generally side almost unanimously against the individuals, and the democrats almost unanimously with them. Take a look at Bush's appointments to the Texas supreme court, as an example (the average rate of supporting insurers vs. individuals across the country is about 40% siding for insurers - Bush's justices sided an average of about 80% for insurers (a lot of those cases were utterly appalling, too)). Take a look at congressional voting records, say, on the DMCA, COPA, the censorware amendment to last year's budget bill, etc. Guess which party supported these, and every bill like them in recent years?

I think you've gotten your stereotypes backwards, m'dear. :)

-= rei =-
 
Rei
2001-07-16 07:48:21 PM
Radeon:
It shouldn't be a letdown. The average IQ of a child does not average around the average IQs of her/his parents. The average is somewhere between that number and 100. :)

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-16 07:53:18 PM
Kizer_Sozie: ** Yes I need a vacation. How wonderful for you to notice my need for relaxation. Thank you */sarcasm>*

Rei: I have yet to hear my parties stance on censorship. Please enlighten me.

As far as mandatory net filters, I am %100 against.
 
2001-07-16 08:15:18 PM
Radeon:"So small that I have fathered 4 children."

Congratulation on you ability to reproduce.
 
2001-07-16 08:19:36 PM
"I live in Florida and have the skin tone of Adonis"

OK???.....Are you hitting on me??
 
2001-07-16 08:25:57 PM
Kizer_Soize: Thank you! You have finally understood that sex is not necessarily pleasure. But a vehicle to allow your children (mine) to beat the shiat out of other children(yours), and be the CEO's (mine) of their generation, while another (yours) will ask, "do you want fries with this, welcome to McDonalds."
Go away..
 
2001-07-16 08:34:44 PM
Kizer_Sozie: Yes, Kizer, I hit on you. /sarcasm on? please make feel like a man, oh, right there /saracsm off. Grow up.
 
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