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(Yahoo)   Now you'll want to be sitting down when you read this, but it seems the RNC made a little electronic oopsie and no longer has copies of any emails that 88 White House staffers sent from RNC accounts   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 87
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2007-06-18 11:11:35 PM  
Im guessing if they really wanted to they could subpoena the computers and grab a lot of this using various forensic tools.

And there's always off site backup, or the various backups of the exchange DB (assuming it was using exchange)..

The will to do it doesn't seem to be present, after all, there are scary laws and policy that mandate retention of emails in almost any business, and it typically is a felony not to turn over evidence once its covered by subpoena.

This just looks like entry-level antics on all sides.
 
2007-06-18 11:14:28 PM  
you are assuming of course, that these records didn't go throughthe electronic equivalent of a shredder afterwords....though finding THAT out would be as much a smoking gun as the emails themselves


For all the crap Nixon talked on the tapes, what REALLY did him in was the 19 minutes that were never heard.
 
2007-06-18 11:21:04 PM  
Generation_D: The will to do it doesn't seem to be present, after all, there are scary laws and policy that mandate retention of emails in almost any business, and it typically is a felony not to turn over evidence once its covered by subpoena.

Like any of that has done anything to stop this WH from doing anything it damn well pleases. Laws? Nope.
 
2007-06-18 11:25:25 PM  
$20 says some dork from the NSA could find them in 5 minutes. But, they won't actually try to recover it, will they?
 
2007-06-18 11:29:33 PM  
Non story. Underzealous staffer.
 
2007-06-18 11:32:38 PM  
I stood up.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2007-06-18 11:35:10 PM  
I can't tell you how shocked I am to hear about this.
 
2007-06-18 11:37:16 PM  
I thought this was the purpose of the RNC accounts.
 
2007-06-18 11:37:24 PM  
There you Libtards go, criminalizing crime again!

/Wait, what?
 
2007-06-18 11:42:37 PM  
I took a dump in the office toilet and flushed before showing anyone. I guess it is sortof the same thing.
 
2007-06-18 11:44:12 PM  
Im assuming, after seeing 15,000 customers and 10,000 incidents over 3 years, that the competency level needed to truly evade detection was not on board, judging by the sudden and sort of ad-hoc way the revealing facts came out.

Amazing--we have 51 out of 88 staffers with no email!

That to me sounds exactly like they hit delete and cleared out the cache.

Did they run 51 hard drives through the electronic shredder?

What about all the recipients of all those mails?

What about the server databases, and probable backups of all those?

Thoroughly destroying an email trail is a little bit harder than highlight right click delete clear cache.

And I'm guessing, just a guess now, but I am guessing that the very deliberate steps, like installing automated electronic shredding, like never keeping backups etc .. were just simply counter intuitive to normal IT practices in any organization, and unless specifically requested, just as probably not done.

Especially since specific laws forbid it, probably, and the installation of said shredding software would raise some interest someplace. We'll see.
 
2007-06-18 11:47:16 PM  
submitter: Now you'll want to be sitting down when you read this, but it seems the RNC made a little electronic oopsie and no longer has copies of any e-mails that 88 White House staffers sent from RNC accounts

damn, thanks for the warning. if only there was some way i could learn of these events sooner
 
2007-06-18 11:47:36 PM  
Bush is running the White House like he ran his businesses: without an audit trail.
 
2007-06-18 11:49:00 PM  
But, they won't actually try to recover it, will they?

Probably not.

And like I've said before - nobody in D.C. really cares.
 
2007-06-18 11:51:52 PM  
I'll just bet if the tables were turned, and it was a Democrat deleting suspected criminal activity documenting emails, the right wing blog squad, of which some of you are card carrying members, would be screaming like a bunch of fatties cut off from the all you can eat buffet .
 
2007-06-18 11:52:39 PM  
newmoonpuppyhead: Like any of that has done anything to stop this WH from doing anything it damn well pleases. Laws? Nope.

And since the Democrats are more interested getting themselves and more Democrats elected than actually doing their jobs of upholding The Constitution and representing The People, the current administration can go on doing whatever they want and be free from accountability from anything they have done. The government is completely on autopilot.

There will be no change without something like a military coup occuring. Until then, I'm going to do my best to be like the other happy clams and ignore all things involving US government. Maybe take up a hobby like watching NASCARs go round and round, listening to country music, or sitting in the corner and bashing myself in the forehead with a large brick.
 
2007-06-19 12:00:35 AM  
It is hard to make data disapear. I can't think of a way to do it by accident. I...I... you know what, fark it. Fark it right in the ear. I don't give a shiat anymore.
 
2007-06-19 12:14:26 AM  
88 lines about 44 White House officials?

No wait. That's backwards.

Karl was a sneaky one
Tried to cover up the trail.

Scooter did or didn't lie.
Either way he's off to jail.

(mmmmmm. mmmmmmmm mmmm m mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm....)

Colin given bogus intel
Left a-twistin in the wind

Georgie stumbling on his speeches.
Is he coked or is he ginned?

(mmmmmm. mmmmmmmm mmmm m mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm....)

Condi was a Russian expert
Not so big on Arab stuff.

Cheney isn't fussy 'bout it.
Any war is good enough.


(mmmmmm. mmmmmmmm mmmm m mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm....)

etc

/far too busy for this drivel
 
2007-06-19 12:24:39 AM  
Isn't it funny how history just keeps repeating itself?

www.lesjones.com

\Anyone remember the Rose Mary Woods shuffle?
\\Anyone?
 
2007-06-19 12:27:54 AM  
Running a-puck: I...I... you know what, fark it. Fark it right in the ear. I don't give a shiat anymore.

Funny how it's reached that point, huh? No...no...it's really not that funny, but I'm right there with ya'.
 
2007-06-19 12:30:40 AM  
BearToy: And since the Democrats are more interested getting themselves and more Democrats elected than actually doing their jobs of upholding The Constitution and representing The People, the current administration can go on doing whatever they want and be free from accountability from anything they have done. The government is completely on autopilot.

There will be no change without something like a military coup occuring. Until then, I'm going to do my best to be like the other happy clams and ignore all things involving US government. Maybe take up a hobby like watching NASCARs go round and round, listening to country music, or sitting in the corner and bashing myself in the forehead with a large brick.


Create a google news alert for "Henry Waxamn" and one for "John Conyers". Last I counted there were 54 individual investigations going on. Yes, they are dragging their feet a little to milk it for the next elections, but take into consideration that with Lieberman's defection, the dems don't have a majority large enough to do much. Don't give up hope just yet. It's still early and the balance of power is just returning.
 
2007-06-19 12:36:00 AM  
Surely by now these guys realize that there is a controling legal authority that regulates this kind of behavior?

Jeezus. Everything these guys accused the Clinton administration of was really just the first hint of the plans they were hatching for when they took over. Only they have done them at orders of magnitude greater than they even accused the Clintons of.

Vince Foster was just one man. Look at what they have done in Iraq.
 
2007-06-19 12:38:22 AM  
AirForceVet: Isn't it funny how history just keeps repeating itself?

Not really
 
2007-06-19 12:53:05 AM  
Skleenar: Only they have done them at orders of magnitude greater than they even accused the Clintons of.

And 3,500 American soldiers and tens of thousands of foreign civilians didn't die for Clinton's shenanigans. I guess we are so separated from the actual loss of life and limb that we can focus playing politics with team Republican and team Democrat just like high school again. It might be different if we had to live in it.
 
2007-06-19 01:07:24 AM  
BearToy:And 3,500 American soldiers and tens of thousands of foreign civilians didn't die for Clinton's shenanigans.

Yeah, but...but...but... Clinton got a BJ! OMG! That's far worse! He like... showed his O face and everything...
 
2007-06-19 01:13:30 AM  
BearToy: I guess we are so separated from the actual loss of life and limb that we can focus playing politics with team Republican and team Democrat just like high school again.

Psst--I'm really rooting for team America.
 
2007-06-19 01:15:24 AM  
"I'm shocked, ...SHOCKED to discover that gambling is going on here! Round up the usual suspects..."
 
2007-06-19 01:18:36 AM  
BearToy: Maybe take up a hobby like watching NASCARs go round and round,

The latest trend? Dump a bag of "Skittles" in the toilet and flush. Enjoy! You've got NASCAR in 20 seconds or less.
 
2007-06-19 01:23:47 AM  
Im so glad that that the Dems are wasting all their time on this crap... And not figuring out ways to make things better...
 
2007-06-19 01:29:15 AM  
paulieY2J: Im so glad that that the Dems are wasting all their time on this crap... And not figuring out ways to make things better...

For who?
 
2007-06-19 01:44:38 AM  
Beartoy, I agree with you. Awesome farking video, too, btw.

You Americans want to change your government? Then do it. That's why the Second Ammendment was written- for when your Government denies the laws of the land and reigns tyrranical.

If, y'know, you believe that George W. isn't a good president. Not my place to judge, just sayin'. (The FBI is probably already on their way here! LOL!)
 
2007-06-19 02:11:37 AM  
I guess we are so separated from the actual loss of life and limb that we can focus playing politics with team Republican and team Democrat just like high school again

Pretty much, yeah. Not to mention the fact that we haven't had any serious economic disruptions for a while.

Don't forget that Congress has no real level of control or oversight on what our overseas intel guys are doing in other countries. It's entirely possible that the white house has little real control over field agents at this point.

So even if someone in Congress did stop playing politics long enough to try getting some information on who and what the CIA was up to in the middle east, it's probable they wouldn't learn a damn thing about our overseas operations.

Of course, pointing out that uncomfortable fact of life will get you yelled at by the 'blame bush' crowd, but there you go.
 
2007-06-19 02:27:44 AM  
sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark] Non story. Underzealous staffer.

Now that made me laugh.
 
2007-06-19 02:38:22 AM  
paulieY2J

Im so glad that that the Dems are wasting all their time on this crap... And not figuring out ways to make things better...

Putting the entire farking Bush administration behind bars would make things better.
 
2007-06-19 02:49:09 AM  
Putting the entire farking Bush administration behind bars would make things better.

It wouldn't stop the war. It certainly wouldn't stop the corruption. Gitmo would still be open for business. The CIA would still run thier prisons.
 
2007-06-19 02:51:34 AM  
schmidtybone, that's a pretty good reason for the 2nd Amendment certainly. 'cept the gov't has the bigger guns so it'd mostly be interesting if you're on the sidelines. Perhaps plotting to scoop up what's left after we blow ourselves apart.

Like sitting up there in the Frozen North. Just waiting. And watching. Bunch of vultures.

//I see you schmidtybone, eyein' our fruited plains and such like. Keepin' an eye on you. Don't try anything funny, y'hoser.
 
2007-06-19 04:23:58 AM  
For some reason, I had thought the US constitution or something said the people had the right to overthrow the government if it became shiatty. But now that I tried to find that, it doesn't seem to be the case.

Anyone care to enlighten me on this? My guess is the teacher who told me this was wrong (he was American though).
 
2007-06-19 04:29:07 AM  
What the hell does the Rival Ninja Clan have to do with the White House?

Oh, that RNC. The other den of corruption and lies.
 
2007-06-19 04:49:43 AM  
You know, it's entirely possible that the white house has lost control of just about everything. The RNC may well have more influence than an entity that lacks the mandate of the ballot box as well, but it probably also doesn't have the kind of control it wants.

The whole idea is kind of cool, if you ask me--the world's remaining superpower, flying two black balls at the mast--a dragon without a head, a ship without a captain.

.
 
2007-06-19 04:58:18 AM  
Missing emails again?

There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.
 
2007-06-19 05:47:24 AM  
Hillary has them.
 
2007-06-19 07:37:41 AM  
Wow... some staffers emptied out their inboxes. Cue the next hyper media frenzy.
 
2007-06-19 07:49:27 AM  
sigdiamond2000: Non story. Underzealous staffer.

I lol'd.
 
2007-06-19 07:52:28 AM  
Weaver95: It wouldn't stop the war. It certainly wouldn't stop the corruption. Gitmo would still be open for business. The CIA would still run thier prisons.

I guess we shouldn't jail murderers then, 'cause it's not like it's going to bring their victims back.
 
2007-06-19 07:53:27 AM  
I want a bold play by the democrats here. Send agents to take those RNC servers. Shame they are such useless pussies.
 
2007-06-19 07:56:44 AM  
HotWingConspiracy: Send agents to take those RNC servers. Shame they are such useless pussies.

Yes, because Congress' Secret Rockin' Rangers department is so well staffed...

/Agents?
 
2007-06-19 08:10:42 AM  
"/Agents?"

You know, like Smith. Don't tell me the Matrix wasn't real. :(
 
2007-06-19 08:18:24 AM  
BearToy:
Maybe take up a hobby like watching NASCARs go round and round, listening to country music, or sitting in the corner and bashing myself in the forehead with a large brick.

Dude, if you start attending NASCAR, you might not have to bash yourself...

Gunther:
Weaver95: It wouldn't stop the war. It certainly wouldn't stop the corruption. Gitmo would still be open for business. The CIA would still run thier prisons.

I guess we shouldn't jail murderers then, 'cause it's not like it's going to bring their victims back.

Oh, don't go raining on Weaver's "but, but Clinton" variation, called "both sides do it" (hint, one side hasn't been running a dirty political machine out of the freaking White House for 7 years and committing perjury and obstruction to cover it up).
 
2007-06-19 08:29:37 AM  
KramericaWallet: For some reason, I had thought the US constitution or something said the people had the right to overthrow the government if it became shiatty.

Try the Declaration of Independence.
 
2007-06-19 08:31:30 AM  
So. Someone in the Whitehouse was ultimately responsible for making sure the records were kept; as I read the law, the president. This should be added to the list of impeachment charges, all the way at the end; since by failing to insure this law was followed, it is no longer possible to determine who was breaking other laws. IAmNotALawyer, but if someone has a legal obligation to preserve records that might contain exculpatory evidence, a failure to do so ought reasonably allow a presumption that the evidence was probably incriminating, and should count against the defense in all other criminal violations.

In short, impeach for gross nonfeasance, along with the assorted charges of criminal malfeasance (and the assorted bits of misfeasance).
 
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