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(WLBZ2.com)   NBA superstar Scottie Pippen got $289,000 in farming subsidies while Leo Tammi, a farmer, gets $500 a year   (wlbz2.com) divider line 191
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2007-06-13 09:03:52 AM
Well to be fair Scottie said it's *really* hard to grow basketballs.
 
2007-06-13 09:09:10 AM
Especially since he sold all his cows to grow those synthetic coverings, which flopped.
 
2007-06-13 09:30:43 AM
No tippin' Pippen, according to friends who waited on him.
 
2007-06-13 09:30:43 AM
i199.photobucket.com

I'm sure this all has a very logical, greedy explanation.
 
2007-06-13 09:30:46 AM
"Critics say government money is going to fat cats, when it could be used to help people struggling to find their next meal."

I simply refuse to believe that this could happen in America. How can the author of this article get away with such blatant lies?
 
2007-06-13 09:31:01 AM
Farm stater here-----dollars are tied to the land, not based on how badly the owner needs it. The gubment is rewriting the farm bill soon, so biatch now or STFU.

/owns 8.3 acres
//not in program so no $
 
2007-06-13 09:31:11 AM
I heard he leaves a $5 tip on a $289,000 bill.
 
2007-06-13 09:31:22 AM
Wait...what?
 
2007-06-13 09:31:43 AM
I can understand the reasoning behind farm subsidies. But it seems like they are only given out to the farmers who need them the least. I think the people who dole them out need a refresher course in common sense and logic.
 
2007-06-13 09:32:18 AM
Don't all NBA players sow their seeds?

/just sayin
 
2007-06-13 09:33:51 AM
Nightsweat

No tippin' Pippen, according to friends who waited on him.

Shocking.

/Not really
//Used to deliver pizzas
 
2007-06-13 09:33:54 AM
I thought David Beckham came here just to play futbol?
 
2007-06-13 09:34:12 AM
"Who'ulda thunk that I'm in the same club as some of the wealthiest individuals in the country?" says Tammi.

I like how the author goes out of her way to make the farmer sound like a backwoods hick rather than simply writing "Who would have thought" like a typical story. I can only imagine trying to read quotes in sports stories if they transcribed interviews perfectly.
 
2007-06-13 09:34:23 AM
Everything the government is put in charge of, it farks up big time.
 
2007-06-13 09:34:36 AM
Ain't this country great. I'm going to go vomit now.
 
2007-06-13 09:34:39 AM
FTA: "We would rather see a few billionaires slip through the cracks and get payments versus seeing hardworking farmers not get the payments that they need," says Tara Smith from the American Farm Bureau Federation.

I really hope that's sarcasm...
 
2007-06-13 09:34:42 AM
My comment simply disappeared. This sucks.

1 - isn't this program designed with two goals in mind? Help poor farmers and keep farmland somewhat active in case we need it in the future?

And aside from that, how is the program administered? Is run by the states? Is the payout based on acres, crops, both, or filing the appropriate paperwork?
 
2007-06-13 09:36:21 AM
when it could be used to help people struggling to find their next meal

THEY ARE FARMERS!

JUST GROW THE FOOD!

/jeez, it isnt that hard.
 
2007-06-13 09:36:58 AM
If there is one lesson to be learned it's this:

Don't be poor in America.
 
2007-06-13 09:37:46 AM
the people that work for a living dont need help, they work...its those poor unfortunate ones that can't get a real job cause they are too rich that need the help, who's going to wash the Bentley? Fuel the jets? Mow the lawns?...the rich do the poor a favor by being rich so its our job to make sure we keep them rich..if not make them even richer so they can help the poor even more, maybe a summer home in the Islands might need cleaning...they can even help internationally if rich enough
 
2007-06-13 09:39:04 AM
FTA: Critics say government money is going to fat cats, when it could be used to help people struggling to find their next meal.

While I don't disagree with the critics, I have a hard time believing that a good farmer should be struggling to find their next meal. Honestly, if you're a farmer and you can't feed yourself, maybe it's time to find a new line of work? Perhaps the author could have chosen something a little more appropriate, like "struggling to make their tractor payments".
 
2007-06-13 09:39:10 AM
Bartender_Babs 2007-06-13 09:34:39 AM
FTA: "We would rather see a few billionaires slip through the cracks and get payments versus seeing hardworking farmers not get the payments that they need," says Tara Smith from the American Farm Bureau Federation.

I really hope that's sarcasm...


Well, if the program pays out a few billion a year and there are only a few egregious examples, it's actually not that big of a deal - especially if it helps to fulfill the needs of the program.

That being said, we still need to know how the program is actually administered prior to doing too much biatching.
 
2007-06-13 09:39:15 AM
Once again we see the benefit of employing high-priced professionals, in this case financial/ tax planners who understand how the various Government subsidies REALLY work and can help their wealthy clients exploit them.
 
2007-06-13 09:40:54 AM
"We ought to put a little bit more money in the food stamp program so they can feed their kids for the whole month and maybe give them a vegetable once in a while," says David Beckham, president of Bread for the World.

Sorry, Dave, argument's over. You lost. The environmentalists have us putting food in our cars now.
 
2007-06-13 09:42:17 AM
Well, do these celebrities do any farming? I take it you actually have to have a farm or something to get a farm subsidy.
 
2007-06-13 09:42:19 AM
Two words:

Milk cheques
 
2007-06-13 09:43:09 AM
homerjaythompson: if you're a farmer and you can't feed yourself, maybe it's time to find a new line of work

They're all busy growing corn for the magic ethanol that will solve our oil crisis and cure cancer. Plus, they use it in Coke and fat kids are a national treasure.
 
2007-06-13 09:43:22 AM
"We ought to put a little bit more money in the food stamp program so they can feed their kids for the whole month and maybe give them a vegetable once in a while," says David Beckham, president of Bread for the World.


Who knew?


And also, if people are going to "feed their kids for the whole month" they should probably be getting a vegetable more than "once in a while". Seriously, it's not like vegetables are all that expensive. Put down the canned stew and cook a real meal.
 
2007-06-13 09:43:33 AM
How else was Pippen going to make any money? "Retired Basketball Star" may sound mighty keen but it just doesn't fill out a resume as well as you'd think.
 
2007-06-13 09:44:09 AM
Well, is it possible that if you don't use the land at all, you get a higher payout than if you do use the land? Therefore, Pippin (not noted for his farming) gets more because he may have more land and isn't using it than Tammi, who's make a great profit on the sheep - so he only gets a minor payout?

Odd that the article didn't include any details like that, no?
 
2007-06-13 09:45:20 AM
A government run program has problems with competency and waste? That's unpossible.
 
2007-06-13 09:45:49 AM
What? Farmers being paid NOT to grow? to manipulate the economy? No way. Better than dumping crops that are in excess? The homeless and poor dont even enter intom the equation.
 
2007-06-13 09:45:55 AM
ronaprhys:

I'd love to know how people like David Letterman even qualify. I like the fact that he turned his money around and donated it to charity, but isn't there something wrong about him even knowing he's getting the money?
 
2007-06-13 09:46:48 AM
And we have people bixtching that Ethanol and Biodiesel are going to drive the cost of corn up.

WTF. Why not take away all these subsidies, make everyone grow a plant that works well for either purpose (and it's probably not corn).
 
2007-06-13 09:47:41 AM
fish500

If there is one lesson to be learned it's this:

Don't be poor in America.


No the lesson is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are both full of shiat. Scotty Pippen got more in that farm subsidy than the average white American individual earns legally in 10 years.

Sure sounds like Uncle Sam is trying to keep the black man down. Yep. Maybe Pippen forgot to check the "African American" box on his application, and those old codgers in the appropriations committees never watched basketball.

More likely, Sharpton and Jackson are just full of shiat.

/I can see how Sharpton and Jackson can make everything a racist event
//they're still full of shiat
 
2007-06-13 09:47:44 AM
Farm subsidies are tied to the land. They get paid in many cases to not plant a certain crop....or to make it worthwhile to plant a crop that produces less revenue. That Scottie Pippen is the land owner makes absolutely zero difference...unless you are trying to manufacture outrage and sell news. Chances are Scottie is leasing the land to a "real" farmer anyway.
 
2007-06-13 09:47:56 AM
As a taxpayer, I say we should get rid of subsidies altogether. Farming is just like any other business model. Let the weak ones fail and the strong ones continue on.
 
2007-06-13 09:48:37 AM
Let's see...he made his money in basketball and *wisely* bought land instead of coke, prostitutes, etc..with it. In return, he gets a good return on his investment. It's too bad that Tammi can't afford to buy the acreage that Pippen can, but don't blame him for making a wise financial move.

Amazing how easy the rich are to blame for everything.
 
2007-06-13 09:49:09 AM
Ol Fart: Once again we see the benefit of employing high-priced professionals, in this case financial/ tax planners who understand how the various Government subsidies REALLY work and can help their wealthy clients exploit them.

That's the only story here.
 
2007-06-13 09:49:15 AM
What a terrible article. They didn't even attempt to explain why Scottie Pippen is eligible for the subsidy or how it is paid out. If its paid out at $500 per acre and this lady owns 1 acre and Scotty Pippen owns 578 acres, they are getting paid the same.
 
2007-06-13 09:49:42 AM
I'd love to know how people like David Letterman even qualify. I like the fact that he turned his money around and donated it to charity, but isn't there something wrong about him even knowing he's getting the money?

I don't care if he donated it, it sounds like stealing to me.

I had a friend in Alabama who said they just owned a cow, a horse, and maybe some chickens and you qualify for a farm tax break at least, not sure what is required for the subsidy.
 
2007-06-13 09:50:07 AM
These subsidies work in a variety of ways.

1. Pays farmers NOT grow something. This keeps the supply and demand in equilibrium.

2. Just give them money to survive. Suppose large commercial farm "A" can grow, ship and sell for less than you can grow on farm "B". Suppose you are an elected official in the heartland of America with the majority of your voters being farmers like farm "B"...you can either let capitalism runs it course until they loose the farm(pun intended)...or you give them money.

There are other variations but these are pretty common
 
2007-06-13 09:50:22 AM
jkraft1003: Let's see...he made his money in basketball and *wisely* bought land instead of coke, prostitutes, etc..with it. In return, he gets a good return on his investment. It's too bad that Tammi can't afford to buy the acreage that Pippen can, but don't blame him for making a wise financial move.

Being rich or owning a lot of land is fine in my book. But as a taxpayer I have a problem with the government paying you to build a mansion instead of a farm.
 
2007-06-13 09:50:22 AM
Bartender_Babs 2007-06-13 09:45:55 AM
I'd love to know how people like David Letterman even qualify. I like the fact that he turned his money around and donated it to charity, but isn't there something wrong about him even knowing he's getting the money?

Well, if the program has a goal of keeping the land as unused farmland that can be quickly converted back to farming in times of need, then this is paying him (or anyone else) to not develop it more than anything. In that sense, him getting the funds isn't that bad of a deal. Kinda like insurance.

If that's not true, well, then yes, it does seem wrong.

distantyokel 2007-06-13 09:45:49 AM
What? Farmers being paid NOT to grow? to manipulate the economy? No way. Better than dumping crops that are in excess? The homeless and poor dont even enter intom the equation.

Well, it could be that or the excess in the supply chain causes extreme drops in the overall price of the food, reducing profits across the board. This puts farmers out of business as they can't afford to farm (they could eat, just not pay for seed, fuel, fertilizer, etc.). That means the next year we have an incredible shortfall in the necessary amounts of food, leading to drastically increased prices.

I'm not a big fan of subsidies, but they can be useful if applied appropriately and for the correct reasons.
 
2007-06-13 09:50:33 AM
I'll never forget the time when local bar owners and bartenders asked him to play flippy-cup at a United Center promotional party. With his arms draped around his entourage of women, he says, "Scottie doesnt play those kind of games."
 
2007-06-13 09:51:05 AM
Why the hatin on Scottie? It ain't his fault that hemp was not what he thought it was.
 
2007-06-13 09:51:11 AM
Oil companies get hundreds of thousands dollars in subsidies a year to locate more oil for us...to sell back to us at a "fair" price, you dont expect them to use profits to do that...that wouldnt be fair
 
2007-06-13 09:52:37 AM
The purpose of farm subsidies is to distort the market, not to pad the bottom line.

They generally do both, though.

Why farm land when farming the government pays better?
 
2007-06-13 09:52:47 AM
"No the lesson is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are both full of shiat. Scotty Pippen got more in that farm subsidy than the average white American individual earns legally in 10 years."

I see. A wealthy black guy gamed a system just like any wealthy person does, so that means there is no inequality in America.

Jackson and Sharpton are awful people, but this argument is shiate.
 
2007-06-13 09:53:13 AM
Subsidies allow farmers to keep certain fields fallow...it is in the national interest to rotate crops. It is also in the national interest to produce our own food....the free market would outsource food production. Subsidies allow farmers to compete with those countries that can produce food much much cheaper and with fewer environmental restrictions.
 
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