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(This Is Local London)   British driver receives speeding ticket because he failed to stop and measure the distance between lampposts   (thisislondon.co.uk) divider line 84
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2007-06-08 09:19:52 AM  
They really use mph over there? Weird, thought it was all metric.
 
2007-06-08 09:20:44 AM  
His only previous speeding case came from travelling at 33mph in a 30mph zone in North Wales in September last year.

Damn, they don't fark around out there.
 
2007-06-08 09:20:46 AM  
This is what happens to a county that takes people's guns away.
 
2007-06-08 09:21:39 AM  
Wow, ticketed for going 33 in a 30? That's brutal, glad I don't live there.

/If the speed limit is 40 or up, that means 55 to me!
 
2007-06-08 09:21:47 AM  
Wow. It's a sad state of affairs when you can come up with the money to put up a speed camera, but you're too cheap to provide freaking signs.

Or too corrupt.
 
2007-06-08 09:21:58 AM  
Methinks the camera is on that stretch of road just for that reason.
 
2007-06-08 09:22:10 AM  
shonday

They really use mph over there? Weird, thought it was all metric.


Yes we use miles, no not everything is metric. You're thinking of France.
 
2007-06-08 09:22:17 AM  
shonday: They really use mph over there? Weird, thought it was all metric.

That was the exact same thing I came here to say...
 
2007-06-08 09:23:27 AM  
"Damn, they don't fark around out there."

Yeah, wtf? I fear we're about a decade away from this though.
 
2007-06-08 09:25:25 AM  
citizen905: This is what happens to a county that takes people's guns away.

Tell me you're trolling. That was a seriously stupid statement!
 
2007-06-08 09:26:10 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2007-06-08 09:26:55 AM  
Man that's farked up.
 
2007-06-08 09:28:17 AM  
What the fark is wrong with the United Kingdom?
 
2007-06-08 09:31:45 AM  
He's got no defense - everybody knows that in a built up area the limit is 30mph unless otherwise posted. If it's not a built up area then it's 60 unless otherwise posted. The lamp-post thing is merely to provide a rough definition of 'built up'. This is all covered in nauseating depth when you learn to drive and do your test.
 
2007-06-08 09:32:54 AM  
33 in a 30??!!?!!?!? That place needs a revolution!
 
2007-06-08 09:33:47 AM  
And now having read TFA, that's a seriously stupid law. Never heard of it. Sound like an idiot local authority, we get a lot of them.

As for you Yanks with your "O noes, teh UK is messed up" comments, having lived in the USA for a number of years I have to say I find that extremely funny. Sure, we're messed up in a lot of ways but seriously, America's not the smartest country on the atlas either.

Now Germany, they know how to do things...
 
2007-06-08 09:34:15 AM  
The Brits just need to flip out and go on a day long riot destroying speed cameras across the country.

After seeing how they've been abused over in the UK, if my state ever installs one it won't last long.
 
2007-06-08 09:35:27 AM  
jester_v01

Yes, but it makes the government look freaking asinine that they are willing to put up a speed camera before they're willing to put up a sign to state the point.

Here in Canada, the rules are similar (100 expressway, 80 highway, 50 city, 40 school zone, etc) but you'll always see a sign stating the point.
 
2007-06-08 09:35:59 AM  
Busted for doing 43 in a 40 zone last month - kicker? On the motorway late on a saturday night with no one else around.

Temporary speed restrictions were in place for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

/these sorts of fines are just another stealth tax. Nothing to do with safety.

//Rant over
 
2007-06-08 09:37:15 AM  
after living here for the better part of a decade, i can say with confidence: never underestimate the ability of the british to be compltete and total arseholes. deep down inside, americans are nice people. deep down inside, most british are true arseholes.
 
2007-06-08 09:38:47 AM  
Pxtl

Here in Canada, the rules are similar (100 expressway, 80 highway, 50 city, 40 school zone, etc) but you'll always see a sign stating the point.


I think it's the same in Scotland - the police just set up a temporary speed trap outside my work at lunch time, but they also put up temporary signs to warn people about it.
 
2007-06-08 09:39:19 AM  
It's a streetlight.
 
2007-06-08 09:46:12 AM  
Pxtl - you will in the UK too - and there is a (mostly) consistent set of rules for you to work out the speed limit if you can't see a sign (not like the US where I'm living now....)

However - if, as he says, there genuinely wasn't a sign marking the change from 40 to 30 (there should have been) he has got a chance of getting off. If he missed it (there would only have been a sign when the speed limit changed, not along the road) then he's lost. Even if the sign was missing if he as a long way into the 30 zone then he's still lost - there are a lot of clues that you're in a 30 zone that he should have picked up.

As for speed cameras everywhere - that's another debate. At least now they're painting them bright colours and warning you about them.
 
2007-06-08 09:47:38 AM  
Savian: 33mph in a 30mph zone ... Damn, they don't fark around out there.

We've asshole cops in SW Va (Eagle Rock and Boone's Mill, specifically) that have been known to issue tickets for such minor variances.
 
2007-06-08 09:48:08 AM  
Bomb Head Mohammed: most british are true arseholes.

Live in London or (insert name of large city here) do you? In which case I'll agree with you. Try the rural areas, we're much nicer out here. My Yank dad-in-law is over here right now and he's loving it.

After living in America for the best part of half a decade I can say that while Americans are incredibly good hearted, lovely people, the level of stupidity and downright insanity was way higher than I was comfortable with.

Wow, our countries are different! Who knew? And in the end you'll find that for each of our stupidities there's an equal stupidity in the US. Balances out in the end.

But yeah, 33 in a 30 zone, to get back on track, is ridiculous, no cop I know would bother with that, and therein lies the problem. These damn cameras have no sense of discretion.
 
2007-06-08 09:50:09 AM  
jester_v01 He's got no defense - everybody knows that in a built up area the limit is 30mph unless otherwise posted. If it's not a built up area then it's 60 unless otherwise posted. The lamp-post thing is merely to provide a rough definition of 'built up'. This is all covered in nauseating depth when you learn to drive and do your test.

You're kidding, right? Exactly what is the definition of 'built up'? The road was posted at 40 mph and there was nothing posted to modify it.

For an example of the right way to do things, when you enter NYC from one of the surrounding counties, there are these big metal things we call 'signs' which tell you that the speed limit is 30 in all 5 boroughs unless otherwise posted. Then, we use these 'sign' thingies every time the limit changes. That way, nobody has to guess what the damn limit is.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2007-06-08 09:51:47 AM  
It's a sad state of affairs when you can come up with the money to put up a speed camera, but you're too cheap to provide freaking signs.

British law forbids the posting of signs within built-up 30 zones, because if there were signs in some places people like this guy would be complaining that there weren't signs in other places. Better to leave everybody in the dark. (Despite being in the glow of those street lights that may or may not be 200 yards apart.)
 
2007-06-08 09:55:42 AM  
ChubbyTiger

*IF* the sign wasn't there, and he was just inside where it should have been, then he will get off. If he was a long way past where the sign should have been the he's driving on a road with no speed signs in a built up area - the limit is 30. It's not hard. There certainly should have been a sign, but after a certain distance that stops being a defense.

Come on - it's only common sense, something that is usually defended round here.
 
2007-06-08 09:56:18 AM  
Couldn't read the whole article.

Every quote was a new paragraph.

Really doesn't flow together.

It's kinda like slashies I suppose.

/Not really

//33 in a 30?

///I would have lost my license years ago
 
2007-06-08 09:56:48 AM  
I'm not amazed or astounded that he got ticketed for 33 in a 30. I've heard stories before where that has happened. What's really troubling is that he took a speed awareness course for going THREE MILES PER HOUR over the limit. What kind of rule is that?
 
2007-06-08 09:56:51 AM  
Bomb Head Mohammed: most british are true arseholes.

I am glad that ole Bomb Head has the pronunciation right, anyway...

/British
//amused
 
2007-06-08 09:59:16 AM  
AaaPha
citizen905: This is what happens to a county that takes people's guns away.

Tell me you're trolling. That was a seriously stupid statement!

Not to someone that values their liberty, unfortunately most people today are sheep and have no problem letting their government trample all over them. A government or bureaucracy that has disdain for its own citizens has no value, neither does a citizenry that does not control its own government.
 
2007-06-08 09:59:26 AM  
I'm spending this summer in the south United States (normally live in Kansas, in Alabama now). On the drive down here, I hit areas where I couldn't even make a guess as to what the speed limit was.

The little bit of Mississippi I went through was the worst. Plenty "reduced speed ahead" and "speed zone ahead" signs, and I'd start looking around for the damn sign. After a few miles, I'd get nervous and start slowing down, I mean, I must have missed the sign, right? Then what little traffic there was would start roaring past me, but I'd keep poking along a bit slower for a little longer, because I have out of state license plates. By the time I'd pick back up to the last sign I'd seen, I'd either finally see a new one with the old limit, or see a new "reduced speed ahead" style sign and the whole cycle would repeat.

/Finally just stopped caring about 3/4 of the way through
 
2007-06-08 09:59:29 AM  
If a speed camera ever makes it to my neighborhood out will come the paintball gun.

Hell, if it's eye level I might just smear vaseline on it because it would be funnier for them to just have a bunch of smeared looking photos.
 
2007-06-08 10:02:08 AM  
I don't know whether to support the guy or say well tough luck.

FTA: "This needs bringing to the public's attention. "I doubt that many people have even heard of this obscure ruling."

I'm 20, so passed my test 3 years ago now. I was taught this rule. It's in the Highway code, so its legal. Its definitely not obscure.
In most instances, round where I live in the country, if there's no lampposts, its not a 30. If there is, it's a 30. So its quite obvious. (Lampposts + houses = built up area) They don't literally want you to measure the distance!
Whereas I guess where he was, its a bit harder to tell, and it should've been posted, so I support him on that respect.
 
2007-06-08 10:03:45 AM  
I live in London currently. Here you're supposed to limit your speed to 30 in built up areas. They expect you to have the judgment to know a "built up" area if you see one so there's not that many 30 signs.

A "built up area" is pretty easy to spot but difficult to put into words. I guess the 200 yards per lamppost was just an expedient, formal definition.

/ Never got a ticket or ever had a problem telling whether an area is built up.
// Don't know anyone who had a problem either.
/// Yes it's miles not kilometers (or should I say kilometres?)
 
2007-06-08 10:05:48 AM  
AaaPha
Now Germany, they know how to do things...

You should hear my German friends complain about their country. I think everywhere sucks, basically.
 
2007-06-08 10:06:46 AM  
1000Monkeys: A "built up area" is pretty easy to spot but difficult to put into words.

here in ye olde holland, built-up-areas are easily spotted by virtue of there being a placename sign, usually augmented with a speed limit sign, right there on the access road..
 
2007-06-08 10:07:27 AM  
England Prevails.
 
2007-06-08 10:08:34 AM  
Lozzd, 1000Monkeys - yay! Reason, sanity
 
2007-06-08 10:09:02 AM  
Bomb Head Mohammed - after living here for the better part of a decade, i can say with confidence: never underestimate the ability of the british to be compltete and total arseholes. deep down inside, americans are nice people. deep down inside, most british are true arseholes.

We're much nicer to people who aren't ignorant septics.

Still, door, arse, hit, don't, etc.

StrikitRich - Not to someone that values their liberty, unfortunately most people today are sheep and have no problem letting their government trample all over them. A government or bureaucracy that has disdain for its own citizens has no value, neither does a citizenry that does not control its own government.

Funny, I don't recall seeing anyone, armed or otherwise, protesting the Patriot Act. Shut up, you silly little person.
 
2007-06-08 10:10:11 AM  
StrikitRich: Not to someone that values their liberty, unfortunately most people today are sheep and have no problem letting their government trample all over them. A government or bureaucracy that has disdain for its own citizens has no value, neither does a citizenry that does not control its own government.

Oh yeah, I forgot how your citizens control your government with your little pop-guns. Don't make me laugh mate. A bunch of rednecks with handguns VS. the US Army (what's left of it)? I'd pay money to see that battle. I bet GW is shiatting his pants at the thought of pissing off the "citizenry". What, what?

Anyway, this isn't about guns, (not every bloody thing is about guns, you bang-bang obsessed plonkers), it's about stupid British bureaucracy, which I disagree with as much as any Yank. But don't pretend you lot have it all sewn up because that's just hilarious to anyone who's had anything to do with, say, the INS or Homeland Security.

Cast the plank from your own eye before you whinge about the mote in mine, to paraphrase some book or another.
 
2007-06-08 10:11:26 AM  
They really use mph over there? Weird, thought it was all metric.

The British have never really taken Metric to heart and so we have ended up with a bastard system that uses both imperial and metric.

-Speed is calaculated in MPH.
-Distances on roads are measured in feet,yards or miles, but stopping distances are calculated in metres.
-Fuel efficiency is calculated in miles to the gallon, but you can only buy fuel in litres.

Booked for 33 in a 30 zone is harsh. The law about 30 mph in a built-up area has been in force since 1934 so he can hardly complain that he didn't know about it

Although the law sounds a bit weird it boils down to the fact that if there are street lights the limit is 30 mph unless otherwise posted.
 
2007-06-08 10:14:57 AM  
BenR: You should hear my German friends complain about their country. I think everywhere sucks, basically.

Yeah, yer not wrong I guess. I liked Germany though, nicer place than I expected.

Dogbeast: We're much nicer to people who aren't ignorant septics.

Yup, if he has that attitude I'm not surprised people treat him badly. My Yank wife has a great time here, but as I say, we live in the countryside. It has to be said that Londoners can be massive arseholes.
 
2007-06-08 10:19:38 AM  
I am just waiting for computers to start driving so I don't have to deal with this bullshiat.
 
2007-06-08 10:19:39 AM  
AaaPha - It has to be said that Londoners can be massive arseholes.

True, but then that's the case with any big city. Plus, London's full of Aussies, Kiwis and South Africans, so...
 
2007-06-08 10:20:23 AM  
You have to be able to judge distances accurately to be able to drive safely, so I don't see what the problem is here. It's covered in your driving test, and the highway code, that speed signs are not the only way to determine the speed limit on a road. This guy knew that, or else he shouldn't have been driving. The police say they'll only do you for speeding if you exceed the speed limit by 10%, so 33 in a 30 zone is a bit tough - 34 would have been OK.

StrikitRich - whatever gets you through the night, having furious wet dreams over John Wayne sticking it to Abraham Lincoln up the pooper, or whatever it is you true American patriots dream of.

Bomb Head Mohammed - People are people. Brits are just the same as Americans. Who are just the same as everyone else. Get them on their own, and they're fantastic people. Get them wrapped up in politics and religion, and things get nasty. It's not a uniquely-British quality. Though I dare say anyone who comes off as arrogant and nasty as you do will meet his fare share of assholity back in his face. Circle of life, etc. etc.
 
2007-06-08 10:27:06 AM  
Oh yeah, I forgot how your citizens control your government with your little pop-guns. Don't make me laugh mate. A bunch of rednecks with handguns VS. the US Army (what's left of it)? I'd pay money to see that battle. I bet GW is shiatting his pants at the thought of pissing off the "citizenry". What, what?


I got some bad news for ya, bud, but a vast majority of the troops in the US Army are those very same rednecks. And I'd hardly call the Barrett .50 cal rifle a "pop-gun". (it's available to the general public in every state except California and New Jersey).

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_82.aspx

So, the citizens of the USA are well armed to rebel against the government and defent itself against the military. Sure, the general public doesn't have cool things like F16s and Abrams tanks, but ask the army just how well that stuff works against an insurgency (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc).

You guys in the UK? Good luck standing up for yourselves with your rocks and sticks.
 
2007-06-08 10:27:30 AM  
The guy is either lying about the lack of a 30 sign, or ignorant of two laws. Both the definition of a built-up area, and also that a 40 limit could only be in force on any road with the presence of repeater signs

/Why is a guy from Oldham being caught speeding in Rotherham being reported in 'This is London'
//Oldham and Rovverham, two even bigger shiatholes than London
 
2007-06-08 10:27:46 AM  
Dogbeast: True, but then that's the case with any big city. Plus, London's full of Aussies, Kiwis and South Africans, so...

Yeah, I was using London as an example because a lot of Septics think London's the center of our universe. Man, when I was moving back here I has SO many people ask me which part of London I was going to. They had a really hard time accepting the fact that most Limeys don't live in, or anywhere near, London. "How often do you go to London though?" I DON'T, it's 200 bloody miles away and full of posers...

I'll never forget the time my wife was going to London and asked if she'd be able to take a quick day-trip to Liverpool from there, poor lass, we did chuckle. B-b-but the Beatles came from there, it must be near London!
 
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