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(Some guy way too close to Riverdale)   Rural California "Christian" school hosts senior prom. Yeah, insignificant. Unless it's a Civil War themed prom complete with blackface "slaves."   (urbanknowledge.blogspot.com) divider line 191
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2007-06-08 02:11:29 AM  
yuma.tv
Stupid Riverdale punks...
 
2007-06-08 02:11:58 AM  
I dunno, are they racist, or are they just stupid?
 
2007-06-08 02:12:17 AM  
I'm so tired of this same old shiat about blacks getting their feelings hurt.Get the fark over it, none of your family members were slaves you spoiled pricks. Tell that little attractive and successful African-American that he's gonna be replaced by a mexican yelling you're racists in a week.
 
2007-06-08 02:16:31 AM  
B-b-b-but California is all liberal hippie commies!
 
2007-06-08 02:19:32 AM  
That San Joaquin Valley sure is something special. You can sit there in the lovely midsummer sun and watch the trailerlab fires all day.
 
2007-06-08 02:22:36 AM  
movies.apple.com


Blackface? I'm really tired of the double standard. If a simialar movie were to be made about a certain other race there would be complete outrage.

As for the article, the captions in the article were pretty asinine I have to admit. Not condoning the participant's actions, I'm just saying.
 
2007-06-08 02:25:12 AM  
1. Ah. So that's why they call southern California "the Southland."

Fresno is not considered part of southern California by any stretch of the imagination. It's in the Central Valley, which is literally in the central part of California. Basically, anything north of the Tehachapi Mountains/Southern Sierras is not considered part of Southern California.

2. HA HA, racist Blue staters

Although California is considered a "blue state" overall, it really is divided more along a coastal/inland axis. The Coastal areas - San Francisco/Oakland, and the LA/SanDiego metropolitan areas - are "blue", and that's where most of the population is (although San Diego and Orange County are heavily "red" areas within the SoCali megalopolis), but inland area - Southern California's inland valleys and desert areas, the predominantly agricultural Cenral Valley, and the northern timber/forest areas, are predominantly "red", although smaller in population (for now). Those areas send a lot of "blue tick"/conservative Democrats (remember Gary Condit?) or true Republicans to Congress. The Central Valley has a large population of former Oklahomans ("Okies") who migrated to the state during the 1930's "Dust Bowl" years. Even though they were white "refugees", they were poor, and looked down on and exploited by the existing white "native" population.

3. Just Texas's independence has some roots in Tejano's rebelling against Mexico's abolition of slavery, the Mexican war was fought in part as an attempt by slave states to extend their power by claiming the newly conquered Southwest (CA, AZ, NM) as "slave states". Under the rules of the Missouri Compromise, it was up for grabs whether California should have been admitted as a "slave" state or a "free" state, since it extended on both sides of the "Mason Dixon line". Within California itself, there was a large group of Southern sympathizers who tried to get it admitted to the Union as a "slave" state. The admission issue was partly resolved by the Compromise of 1850.
 
2007-06-08 02:25:41 AM  
pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com
 
2007-06-08 02:27:06 AM  
drunkard9: I'm so tired of this same old shiat about blacks getting their feelings hurt.

Awww, are your feelings hurt?
 
2007-06-08 02:32:39 AM  
i125.photobucket.com
I is politically incorrect?
 
2007-06-08 02:34:50 AM  
Gee I guess Fark needs a 'double standard' or 'Hypocrite' tag

Eddie murphy skit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpO7g9mLzlw
 
2007-06-08 02:38:56 AM  
I know someone that once dressed up as a black person. She must have pulled it off real well, because some black guy came up and started talking with her about white people and how he thought he his family was the only black family in the neighborhood. Obviously it was decades ago, but I still find it to be a sad thing to do :(
 
2007-06-08 02:49:45 AM  
tokyotron: It says that they were Hispanic majority, so it should be OK, I think. Rules are always changing on these things. When I was in Junior High, I was a Caucasoid, with Negroid and Mongoloid people in my class. Looking back, I am not sure what they were anymore.

You went to school with kids with autism?
 
2007-06-08 02:51:50 AM  
FreedomFried

Maybe you're thinking of Oregon.
 
2007-06-08 02:53:48 AM  
maamold
Gee I guess Fark needs a 'double standard' or 'Hypocrite' tag

You're incapable of understanding what that skit was a satire of. Sit back down.

CabinBoy

[Picture of Wayans Bros Movie "White Chick"]

Geebus, I thought I'd explained this to you once before. Here goes: nobody on fark holds these asshats as an example of how people should behave. Over the years, we've come to expect the lowest of the lowest common denominator humor from the Wayans Bros. What movie critics and audiences alike have learned to do is ignore them. Nobody wants these assholes to make any money on their film, and giving them any attention whatsoever helps them make money. Are you suggesting we should give them free publicity and be up in arms about a movie that wasn't even released to critics?

You know that thing your mom used to say? "just because others do it doesn't mean you can do it yourself". It still applies. Nobody has given them an Oscar. Nobody has hailed their movies as genious. Stop biatching about a bad movie as some sort of "double standard". You sound pretty pathetic.
 
2007-06-08 02:59:15 AM  
I lived in Riverdale during High School. It's a nice place to visit if you like water that reeks of sulfur, watching field workers roaming the streets, and meth labs.


That church in the article isn't even really an Assemblies of God church because they got booted from the denomination because they are nuts. Seriously, they're a cult. Incredibly insular and don't interact much with the community aside from their yearly drive through nativity scene.

I specifically remember that the members of the church all wore red windbreakers around, that the kids had to keep their slacks and ties on for P.E. (girls wore mandatory dresses), and that the disobedient wives had to sit in the front row during the Sunday service.
/hated that town
//glad to be in the OC
 
2007-06-08 02:59:22 AM  
drunkard
I'm so tired of this same old shiat about blacks getting their feelings hurt.Get the fark over it, none of your family members were slaves you spoiled pricks. Tell that little attractive and successful African-American that he's gonna be replaced by a mexican yelling you're racists in a week.

I would offhandedly dismiss your rant as that of an ignorant bigot, but I'm hesitant to do so because it's obvious to me how much the Black Man has kept you down all these years.

/fight the power, brother.
 
2007-06-08 03:01:58 AM  
Yea, not blackface specifically, but they are dressing as slaves, clearly in reverence for slavery days.

Clearly? The only transgressions I can see clearly are those of the person who made the captions to the photographs. We don't know who that is because the author of the article never says.

The only thing the rest of the people are clearly guilty of is dressing as slaves. Why is that such a big deal at a Civil War-themed event? They have on black makeup, but guess what? THE SLAVES WERE BLACK. That alone doesn't denigrate people who are African-American or use any racist stereotypes to put down black people.

Don't get me wrong, these people could be complete racist bumfarks, but there's nothing in these pictures that makes it clearly so. This is pure conjecture.
 
2007-06-08 03:09:10 AM  
This just seems like a neighborhood that has no black people to give them a "what the fark" look when they propose this theme at a town hall meeting. I honestly don't think it was racist, just misguided.
 
2007-06-08 03:14:33 AM  
When my mom was in high school, back in the early seventies, she new these two girls who were best friends, one white, one black. Everyone called the black girl "Blackie", and the white girl "Whitie".

Once for Halloween, the two went as each other. "Blackie" in white make-up, "Whitie" in black make-up. My mom has pictures, it's really weird to look at.

Just thought I'd put that out there.
 
2007-06-08 03:14:57 AM  
CabinBoy: If a simialar movie were to be made about a certain other race there would be complete outrage.

The "lactose intolerant poop scene" had me in tears. It was the funniest part of the movie, and about the only joke in it that didn't rely on race. Instead, it banked on assumed gender differences.

Women don't want men to know they get the shiats. That's why it was funny.

Women: we know you dump - embrace it and make it funny!
 
2007-06-08 03:15:03 AM  
Zombie Hitler
This just seems like a neighborhood that has no black people to give them a "what the fark" look when they propose this theme at a town hall meeting. I honestly don't think it was racist, just misguided.

I agree. They probably don't have any black people to give them any context or insight whatsoever, so this degree of ignorance is not at all surprising.

What I think is fairly bigoted is the handful of farkers who come here and defend these actions, or the ones who somehow try to justify them by posting a "white chicks" movie poster.

When the texas MLK party thing broke out (with hot aunt jemima), there were literally people here on fark saying "so? that's how black people act!". I think when you think that all black people behave like gangbangers, it's not so much that you haven't met enough black people to base your views on, but rather that you're unwilling to adjust your views no matter how many non-gangbanger black people you've meet.

/the amount of overt prejuidice on Fark still surprises me sometimes.
 
2007-06-08 03:19:05 AM  
Who the Fark has a Civil War theme prom ?!?! , I mean Revolutionary war themed Proms are better I suppose, or perhaps French and Indian war yeah those ones Rock.
 
2007-06-08 03:19:11 AM  
Riverside....town of a whopping 2400. 40% Caucaisan. The senior prom had just how many people? 60? And how many of them other than the migrant workers not at the prom will ever go more than 100 miles away from home?

Hi, Mr. Tree. I believe this is your apple.
 
2007-06-08 03:21:03 AM  
conniemac 2007-06-08 01:40:14 AM
OMFG!! It deeply saddens me that ANYONE in this day & age would ever think this acceptable behavior.

There was a fraternity at my college that got in a spot of trouble for the same sort of stunt. Part of their "seceding from the university". The brothers and their dates [in hoop skirts (??!?)] hung out while they had young black kids pick fake cotton in the yard in front of the house. Not word, not word at all.

/Barely RTFA.
//Roll wave?
 
2007-06-08 03:25:33 AM  
content.flixster.com


Yeah, I really dont wanna hear to much about it.
Black Pot meet white Kettle.

/See term "Double Standard"
 
2007-06-08 03:26:10 AM  
When the texas MLK party thing broke out (with hot aunt jemima), there were literally people here on fark saying "so? that's how black people act!".

This is what surprises me about the responses to this article. Do you really not see the difference between having a few people dressed as slaves for a Civil War-themed party and the caricatures in the MLK party?

I suppose it's a good thing; it must mean that you live a life fairly sheltered from racism.
 
2007-06-08 03:29:10 AM  
beaten to it......

Cabinboy stop being in my brains now please, its kinda disconcerting.
 
2007-06-08 03:29:11 AM  
rga184: What I think is fairly bigoted is the handful of farkers who come here and defend these actions, or the ones who somehow try to justify them by posting a "white chicks" movie poster.

Don't let the stuff you read in race related threads on this site affect you. You'll be far better off.
 
2007-06-08 03:30:14 AM  
rga184 writes: What I think is fairly bigoted is the handful of farkers...

There are dual currents at work here. First, Fark has seemingly decided that it will specialize in race threads. I guess it drives page views.

Second, there are a hell of a lot of bigots in Farkistan.

I think when you think that all black people behave like gangbangers...

This isn't too hard to understand. A lot of these people suffer from both out-group homogeneity bias and confirmation bias. Some people tend to see only those things that confirm their prejudices. And the prejudices are applied as if the members of the out-group are interchangeable.
 
2007-06-08 03:31:23 AM  
rga184: it's not so much that you haven't met enough black people to base your views on

Actually, that's precisely the reason. There are huge amounts of the country where there are no minorities, or only minorities of a different race than Jesse Jackson is defending. You and I could probably find extremely open minded white people praising the work ethic of South Americans who at the same time disregard black people based on no personal experience at all. There are areas of the country where black people simply aren't there.

Those areas are probably where the offending comments come from. There's nothing there to counter it. It's not a matter of meeting enough, it's a matter of never meeting one person.
 
2007-06-08 03:33:31 AM  
tojo

Of course I see the difference. A couple of posts up I even mentioned this is likely more ignorance than racism. I'm not berating the idiots who did this (they're idiots, what do you expect?). I'm berating the asshats who defend these actions as acceptable. See the difference?
 
2007-06-08 03:46:09 AM  
Nashbridges

I know what you mean, and I'm sure there's lot of people who have never in their whole lives had a conversation with a black person.

I'm not really talking about them. I'm talking about people living in cities that still have the same views as those rural Americans you write about.

eraser expressed him/herself much more eloquently. It's more a function of confirmation bias. That's what I meant by people who refuse to adjust their viewpoint regardless of how many non-gangbanger blacks they meet.

jayday

What, is posting a picture of that movie a new cliche I haven't heard about? Do you have ANY original thought whatsoever bouncing around in that occiput of yours?

First, somebody already posted the same thing. Second, what is it supposed to prove? Some black people somewhere made a bigoted movie? Wow! Minorities can be bigots! Thanks for the information. I'll go adjust my moral qualms against lynching now.

/get it through your thick heads, the Wayans Bros are lowest common denominator humor, and widely understood to be as much. They should in no way be taken as an example of what acceptable behavior is.
 
2007-06-08 03:46:47 AM  
Fark Fresno and the entire Central Valley. I spent three years there after moving from Connecticut. The place hasn't come into the 21st century yet. It's amazing. I'm glad to have left when I did.
 
2007-06-08 03:48:03 AM  
White people in blackface vs. black people in whiteface are about as comparable as dog bites man and man bites dog.

Whites in blackface is TIRED and not funny to boot. I mean over a hundred years old tired.
 
2007-06-08 03:52:23 AM  
maamold
Gee I guess Fark needs a 'double standard' or 'Hypocrite' tag
Eddie murphy skit.



The only two black comedians I really do give any leeway to are one Eddie Murphy, and two Chris Rock, and the reason why is pretty simple. They both crack on, imitate the idiosyncrasies of, and make jokes about stereotype and the weird quirks of all the races, not just one. If you listen to, or watch Eddie Murphy (RAW), or Chris Rock (Never Scared) you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now if your saying, or asking about the issue of if or could a white guy get away with doin the same shiat they do?
Well hell no.
But thats not the fault of the comedians, thats the fault of all the idiots that wanna look for a reason to biatch, moan, and riot because they know someones gonna react and pay attention to their bullshiat whining.


/Is racism out there and common, yes.
//Is the race card thrown about to often and mindlessly, yes.
///Is it gonna get to the point that the person screaming racism is ignored.....damn well might if people arent careful.
 
2007-06-08 03:58:41 AM  
CabinBoy: "If a simialar movie were to be made about a certain other race there would be complete outrage."

www.videodetective.com
/begs to differ
 
2007-06-08 04:01:28 AM  
www.bbc.co.uk
Papa Lazerou does not agree
 
2007-06-08 04:02:41 AM  
jayday

Is the race card thrown about to often and mindlessly, yes.

Methinks that when people wear blackface and dress up as slaves, the race card was already brought out. Don't you?

But thats not the fault of the comedians, thats the fault of all the idiots that wanna look for a reason to biatch, moan, and riot because they know someones gonna react and pay attention to their bullshiat whining.the 100+ years in which white comedians got laughs at blacks' expense by using blackface to portray them as ignorant, subservient, and obsessed with watermelon

There, fixed that for you.
 
2007-06-08 04:02:45 AM  
rga184
I think when you think that all black people behave like gangbangers...

Ok, perhaps this is just where I was from... but I honestly believe that this was the case where I lived. I am originally from South Carolina, no longer living in the USA. I am from an extremely racist family, but somehow I came out of there a tolerant, open-minded individual who can actually watch black people on TV without getting angry.

I had several black friends growing up, not too many because there really weren't all that many, and most of the ones that were there were too busy threatening to beat me up for "hating n*ggers" (they had never even met me, or talked to me... I suppose it wasn't a bad assumption, considering most whites from my area were racist) so I didn't have the opportunity to become friendly with most of them. Time passed, I went to college, still in SC. You would think that perhaps things would change in college, and not all the black people are focused on the same ideals as they were in high school, but I didn't find that to be the case. In all honesty, I met only two black people, a guy and his girlfriend, that were actually friendly to me and I was able to talk to without them laughing at me for being so obviously white, or outright ignored. The only reason I had the opportunity to meet them is because the guy was my friend's roommate. Super nice guy, though. I am sure there are more black people out there like him, I just can't seem to find them.

Another story, also in college... I am a fan of hip-hop, so I went to an on campus MC battle. My Chinese friend, my Japanese girlfriend, and I were the only non-blacks there, other than one white dude who entered as a joke. I was having a great time, until I heard a bottle break beside me and saw a black dude holding a broken bottle ripping his shirt off ready to fark somebody up. Needless to say, a riot broke out and we had to haul ass outta there before one of us got hurt. The cops came, broke it up... the usual fanfare. People wonder why we have these perceptions of black people, they ask why we are "racist"... I am sorry but I have enough experiences throughout my life with black people to justify what I consider to be the behavior of the majority of them.

Now, before you judge me let me put this in perspective for you. I don't live in America now, I live in Japan where I am the minority. I am judged every single day based on my appearance. I can't enter some places in Japan because they are afraid I will scare away their customers. Yes, to Japanese people I am terrifying. I am a 5'10" 140 pound white guy. I am not terrifying, but to them they just know I will go around breaking shiat and raping their women. Because guess what, that does happen. A lot. The majority of the foreigners (white people) over here are complete bastards. They have a good point when they assume I can't speak Japanese and that I will have no respect for anything around me. So, I don't get angry at them. I get angry at my fellow expats who fark everything up for me. I think it is the same for black people in America. There are some really great black people, but there are a whole lot of retarded gangbangers, gangbanger wannabes, and all-around farktards that mess everything up for all of them. Unfortunately, this is how it is. Nothing will change until black people change. Just as how nothing will change here in Japan until we start getting some decent foreigners coming over instead of drunken lunatics.

/Longest Fark post ever
//Sorry for the wall of text
///Rant mode disengaged
 
2007-06-08 04:08:11 AM  
There's SF and the there's LA and Alabama in between.
 
2007-06-08 04:08:28 AM  
jayday writes: Is the race card thrown about to often and mindlessly, yes.

Maybe. But the reverse phenomenon is also true.

There are a hell of a lot of people that dismiss or otherwise try to rationalize away real racism and racist incidents as "playing the race card." And this has nothing to do with blacks or others overstating (crying wolf) racist attitudes. In my opinion, blacks tend to underestimate societal racism because 1) much of it is subtle or even subconscious and 2) much of it is expressed outside of the range of black ears.

In any case, I've always found it telling that for many whites, the preferred solution to the race problem isn't for whites to stop their racist behavior but for blacks to stop complaining when they're the target of it.
 
2007-06-08 04:09:26 AM  
rga184
What, is posting a picture of that movie a new cliche I haven't heard about? Do you have ANY original thought whatsoever bouncing around in that occiput of yours?

First, somebody already posted the same thing. Second, what is it supposed to prove? Some black people somewhere made a bigoted movie? Wow! Minorities can be bigots! Thanks for the information. I'll go adjust my moral qualms against lynching now.

/get it through your thick heads, the Wayans Bros are lowest common denominator humor, and widely understood to be as much. They should in no way be taken as an example of what acceptable behavior is.



Wow thanks for pointing that out, its not as if I saw it right afterwards

jayday 2007-06-08 03:29:10 AM
beaten to it......

Cabinboy stop being in my brains now please, its kinda disconcerting.


Oh wait I did.


As to the rest of your idiocy.
Do you understand or not that if a double standard like this (even if it is or is not as your saying the "lowest common denominator humor") is not called out by the media and others as being racist, then their own claims of bigotry have no merit? For a person or people to try to claim the moral high ground why at the same time being bias toward what they claim bigotry to be or who it affects, is not only disingenuous in action, its hypocritical in belief.


Thats what its suppose to prove you pompous ass.
Now quit being the moral regulatory for the whole damn thread on what people can and cannot post.
.....Christ, talking about the definition of taking yourself to seriously.
 
2007-06-08 04:10:38 AM  
That was one of those articles that momentarily makes your brain fuzz over and hurt a little because it can't quite comprehend the stupidity.
I lived in a black country for 13 years. Went to a Hispanic high school. Best friend is Filipino. Husband is Hispanic. Don't know what its like to be the majority.
And looking at this, thank God.
 
2007-06-08 04:13:23 AM  
JerseyTim: I wish I had known about this! I would have worn my John Brown costume.

Fokk that! I would have worn my Nat Turner outfit and then nuke the town from orbit because, as we all know, it's the only way to be sure.
 
2007-06-08 04:15:43 AM  
goletaal writes: begs to differ

Good reference. I was going to post something from Black Like Me...but since the mood of that book/film is so somber, the analogy falls flat.

I'd completely forgotten that Black Like Me was reborn in comic style as Soul Man.

images.bestwebbuys.com
 
2007-06-08 04:18:44 AM  
satoshi

Lovely post. I understand your point of view to an extent. As a native born Mexican and naturalized US citizen, I was privy to being angered by representatives of my countries while in Europe. The Mexicans I saw were drinking tequila and singing obnoxiously at La Fontana di Trevi, and the Americans were playing with a remote-controlled car inside the Museo de L'Academia, at the foot of Michaelangelo's David.

So I truly know that there are people who continue to set their people back time after time again--reinforcing stereotypes that don't apply to me, nor do they apply to most people I know.

We've all had these experiences. I personally, can say that if I take inventory of the last 100 instances of seeing overt racism with my own eyes, 90 of them were perpetrated by an African American.

I don't deny that there are societal issues that need to be addressed. Obviously the glorification of gangbanger culture in the media is one of them, and among hispanics, I don't even know where to start; but definitely something needs to be done about racism (yes, hispanics can be notoriously anti-black) and machismo pop to mind.

The difference is, neither one of us is hosting gangster-themed parties on MLK day, or going to Cinco de Mayo parties dressed as pregnant gardeners instead of say, a Mariachi or Pancho Villa. We two have a little more common sense than that, because we know that doing so is an insult to those who not only don't conform to the stereotype, but also have to FIGHT AGAINST it on a daily basis. Even if 95% of people out there were gangbangers (which obviously they're not), I would see it as being profoundly disrespectful to those that aren't.
 
2007-06-08 04:20:38 AM  
The wikipedia entry for "black face" has some pretty disturbing images...

by disturbing I mean... makes you wonder how people could have been so stupid.
 
2007-06-08 04:25:39 AM  
drunkard
Get the fark over it, none of your family members were slaves you spoiled pricks.

What is that? Wishful thinking or something?? I'm pretty sure some of them actually were.

Tell that little attractive and successful African-American that he's gonna be replaced by a mexican yelling you're racists in a week.

Hunh?

/currently drunk
//but not as far gone as you
 
2007-06-08 04:28:20 AM  
i grew up about ten minutes south of riverdale on highway 198. in the kind of place you drive through and think "who the fark would live there?" well, i did, and i remember going to riverdale and thinking "who the fark would live here?" i'm a redneck but whoa... anyway, as an aside, check out some of the other entries on the original website where this story was posted. you'll be regaled with such artciles as "Prespections (sic), Poverty and Kayne (sic) West from a Vegas View" and about how "Kayne" conitinues to 'garnish' ( do you think he means garner?) audiences. he does however accurately depict fresno as the type of place where "... race and poverty are issues swept under the old rug already plauged (!) with a huge lupe (!?) of dirt. It kick up dust every time someone walks over it and acts as its not there." poor lupe. WTF. he says he went to Fresno State so that explains a lot. anyway, i wish Chapelle's Show was still on so he could go there and interview some of the townspeople. what's farked up though is why would a highschool in CA have a civil war themed prom in the first place? and can you imagine what thought process led to all the adults going in blackface? in one photo it looks like 3 of the women are performing a skit. i can only pray that it's up on youtube.
 
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