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(USA Today)   Safeco invents "Teensurance", which will tell parents if a kid speeds, goes too far in the car or drives up on my lawn   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2007-06-06 02:32:05 AM  
Seems like I heard a story about black boxes and cameras in cars years ago.
 
2007-06-06 02:34:57 AM  
My brother's friend in high school was chased by the cops for 5 minutes (music was turned up) going 180 along the highway.

I had to laugh. Then cry.

What idiots exist today.
 
2007-06-06 03:38:46 AM  
Yeah, this is great when it's parents monitoring this stuff. Just wait until the government gets a hold of it.
 
2007-06-06 06:37:15 AM  
"Goes too far"? What, like third base?

/that sucks
 
2007-06-06 06:39:44 AM  
That's a great way to build trust with your teen. Spying on their every move.
 
2007-06-06 06:42:17 AM  
Hmm, this is reminiscent of an electric dog collar.
 
2007-06-06 06:43:04 AM  
What happened to the good old days when parents had to get the fark up and actually tail thier kids to that party they weren't supposed to go to, or to see if they are driving well without supervision?

Why now, they can just sit at home.

/Does spying software count as rose-colored glasses?
//Like, "Oh I can check on my kid anytime I want, which is why I dont!"
///Or if you prefer, "oh I can check on my kid, like irght now, hey look! Stopped at a red light! That's my boy always obeying the laws of traffic! Now onto some pr0n! And while the parent looks away................you know what I'm tired of writing this you know how it goes and something with get off my lawn.
 
2007-06-06 06:44:07 AM  
they should really pull old grandmas and grandpas off the road if they are doing this to young kids.

Yes, young kids speed. Thats the only law they break.

Old drivers drive 20kph under the speed limit, they leave the blinker on, they take left turns when the light turns red.

My old car was destroyed because a 60 year old decided to make a left turn as I was going thru the intersection. Almost killed me. And thankfully enough, he got the blame.

And for this they get lower insurance rates?? It doesnt make sense.

If I had my way, when you turned 50, you would need to retake both drivers exams. And every 10 years after that.
 
2007-06-06 06:44:40 AM  

Churchill2004:That's a great way to build trust with your teen. Spying on their every move.


It is only spying if you don't tell them you are doing it.

 
2007-06-06 06:45:47 AM  
oops, quoted wrong user, sorry

that quote was supposed to be for... Spooky
 
2007-06-06 06:46:29 AM  
The generation that insisted you should never trust anyone over 30 has proven its point.

Hypocritical boomers. Fought to get 18yos the right to vote, now won't trust their own teens with even the slightest responsibility.

/so glad I am too old to have been medicated with Ritalin and hovered over by helicopter parents
 
2007-06-06 06:47:02 AM  
Siskabush: Yes, young kids speed. Thats the only law they break.

Are you freaking kidding ?!?
 
2007-06-06 06:49:35 AM  
Slarti,

So if the feds tap your phone and put cameras in your house, it isn't spying if they tell you about it?

Yeah, it is freakin' spying and it is dehumanizing.

/but you should have nothing to worry about unless you are misbehaving, right?
 
2007-06-06 06:52:17 AM  
Churchill2004: Yeah, this is great when it's parents monitoring this stuff. Just wait until the government gets a hold of it.

Who cares? Do you really think the government is going to monitor every single car in america at all times? As if they have the budget for that. And even if they do, why would it be a problem, aside from vague liberal catchphrases about privacy. What are you afraid of them doing with that information?

BTW, I'm not actually for locators and such in vehicles. Not unless theres one in every single car in america and access to all cars location is open to the public. Transparent gvmt. FTW.
 
2007-06-06 06:53:04 AM  
If they tell you about it, then its monitoring, not spying.

spy [spahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, noun, plural spies, verb, spied, spy·ing.
-noun
1.a person employed by a government to obtain secret information or intelligence about another, usually hostile, country, esp. with reference to military or naval affairs.
2.a person who keeps close and secret watch on the actions and words of another or others.

Note: SECRET

Sure it is dehumanizing. Yeah it is wrong, but it is not spying.
 
2007-06-06 06:53:37 AM  
Siskabush: If I had my way, when you turned 50, you would need to retake both drivers exams. And every 10 years after that.

Agreed, but make it every three years. There's a huge degeneration in vision and your overall usefulness to society over the course of 10 years once you get older.
 
2007-06-06 06:55:06 AM  
"I can check at any time on the Internet where she is. She is a good kid, and I want to keep her that way."

Cut the cord woman. The shorter the leash the more she's going to try to break free.
 
2007-06-06 06:55:49 AM  
Siskabush: Yes, young kids speed. Thats the only law they break.

Right, and the countless street-racing deaths and reckless driving related injuries and crashes and just general asshattery is swept under the rug. Shiat, I'm only 23 and I'm scared to death of kids under the age of 18 driving, just because I remember what a moron I was. Then again, I'm scared of almost everyone else's driving, and I used to do amateur racing. The sad truth is that 90% of people on the road are nothing more than accidents waiting to happen.
 
2007-06-06 06:56:03 AM  
If you want privacy when driving in a car... get a job, get a car, and go drive it.

Teenage expectations of their rights - and their abilities - take time to be taken seriously.
 
2007-06-06 06:58:37 AM  
Here's what I've observed:

"Kid farks up thread" brings out Farkers who call for the parents to pay attention to what their kids are doing.

Now with this story parents are paying attention and I'm betting that some of those same Farkers are calling it "spying" and "dehumanizing".

Which do you people want?
 
2007-06-06 06:59:36 AM  
If my parents had used such a tracking device on my family car adventures, I would still grounded (38 now).

I have two kids approaching driving age and the idea of such total info access is appealing, yet I must remind myself that I, my siblings, and friends all made it through our teen years without our parents spying on us every moment that we were out of their sight.
 
2007-06-06 07:04:29 AM  
Teensurance: sounds like there should be a payout if your kid does something stupid in a car and gets himself killed.
 
2007-06-06 07:06:48 AM  
mystic_fool

Darwin award at least ?
 
2007-06-06 07:07:44 AM  
+100 subby. DNRTFA. That is all.

/I'm 20 so really getting blah blah blah
 
2007-06-06 07:07:46 AM  
What an clever way to indoctrinate our children to the upcoming Nanny state!

/Big Mother is watching you!
 
2007-06-06 07:16:28 AM  
Teens shouldn't be licensed anyway. Monitoring them, once I'm king of the world, will be a moot point.
 
2007-06-06 07:21:31 AM  
So it starts with the teens...how long until the insurance companies demand that everyone gets one of these jewels in order to get insurance?

The only benefactor I see will be the attorney for the person you child harms when they supeaona the driving records for their slam dunk accident case.
 
2007-06-06 07:28:35 AM  
Holly ass on fire, batman. Is it Tin-Foil Wednesday or did the NRA just discover personal computers?
 
2007-06-06 07:28:38 AM  
Slarti,

You're right -- monitoring, not spying.

Katolu,

Perhaps different farkers? I've never said on fark (perhaps never in real life) that parents should heavily monitor what their kids, especially teens, are doing.

The reality is that a parent has (usually) won or lost by age 5. A reasonably resourceful 17yo is going to do what he/she wants, regardless of parent monitoring. Intrustive monitoring will simply be subverted (directly or indirectly) and resented.

/indirect subversion: sure, my 'rents know when I speed. But it can't tell when I do donuts in the parking lot...
//...or blow the football team in the back seat.
 
2007-06-06 07:34:32 AM  
This makes me laugh. Who doesn't speed? If we had gotten this for our family cars when I was a teen, my parents would get a dozen notices a day and most would be from them, especially my dad.
 
2007-06-06 07:36:28 AM  
Just leave them in the womb. It'd be simpler.
 
2007-06-06 07:36:53 AM  
This isn't that bad people. I mean, what's the worst that could happen? You lord over your kids for 18 years, monitor their every move and when they move out on the day of their 18th birthday they're ill-equipped to deal with the massive influx of freedom and privacy. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

/This product should come with a sticker stating "if you can read this, your parenting sucks."
 
2007-06-06 07:37:57 AM  
IF this gets too far they will be standard in every car sold within 20 years. AND they will notify police if you are speeding, and probably start dinging if your actions are considered sensitive to national security.

Yeah, it sounds tinfoil-y, but so did my warnings about the acceptance of big brother cameras a few years back.
 
2007-06-06 07:46:29 AM  
I recall reading somewhere (can't find it now) about built in tracking on newer cars. There was some flak cuz consumers were being sold cars that track miles per trip, average,max speed and last speed before accident in the cars computer.

If shadetree mechanics could figure out how to decipher OBD and OBDII, how long before the shadetree spy can tap into that data.

/going back to that 1969 Monte Carlo.
 
2007-06-06 07:48:34 AM  
The gps is so the parents know where to hover in the helicopter.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2007-06-06 07:58:23 AM  
If I have kids and they drive, I want a device that warns me if they drive below the speed limit so I can call and ask them what's wrong.

My teenage brother has what must be one of the fastest Ford Festivas on the planet. Probably over 200 horsepower driving one skinny tire. Our father is in the "drive fast, and once in a while get caught and pay a fine" camp. When I learned to drive he taught me that ten over was fine as far as the cops were concerned.
 
2007-06-06 08:07:49 AM  
Lusiphur

Who cares? Do you really think the government is going to monitor every single car in america at all times? As if they have the budget for that. And even if they do, why would it be a problem, aside from vague liberal catchphrases about privacy. What are you afraid of them doing with that information?


Wow - how much do they pay you to shill for the government, anyway? "As if they have the budget for that"? Oh - they've got it, alright. It's called "Homeland Security". You know - so they can track "terrists". Of course, they'd never think of using the information to try to bust you for being in the vicinity of a political rally, or trespassing on "gub'mint" property, or driving slow past known drug dealer or prostitute hangouts. Oh no. And they'd certainly never misuse the information to see who their wife was cheating on them with, or to catch their "straight" son/daughter meeting their same-sex partner. Never. This is, of course, after they've decided that since you've gone to the trouble and expense of having all this technology installed in your car, you might as well just leave it there, so they can "protect" you. Heck - they might as well just require it in all new cars while they're at it - "for the children" and "catchin' terrists". You, sir, disgust me.
 
2007-06-06 08:14:46 AM  
dlwhite

Briefly Corvettes were being sold with black boxes that do what you describe. Consumers got so upset by it though that, IIRC, they stopped putting them in and offered to remove the boxes for free or something like that.
 
2007-06-06 08:28:48 AM  
fireclown: IF this gets too far they will be standard in every car sold within 20 years. AND they will notify police if you are speeding, and probably start dinging if your actions are considered sensitive to national security.

Why did I think of The Fifth Element when I read that?
 
2007-06-06 08:44:18 AM  
I predict that this will only end badly; the last thing that I want is a subset of drivers actually obeying the speed limit, that would cause unmitigated chaos.

/20 MPH speed differentials are not your friends
//especially with the amount of attention your average driver pays to driving
 
2007-06-06 08:44:26 AM  
See, I don't know about anyone else in here, but when I was a kid stuff like this made me want to try even harder to break the rules without getting caught. Surely this system can't be hard to spoof. Solder a wire and switch in between the GPS chip and the cell stack (I assume it's a GSM based system, just kind of skimmed the article). Then all you need is a $3 PIC and you can feed a it a stream of bogus NMEA data and you've got an airtight alibi recorded by their system.

/Too much time on my hands?
//Yeah, but it's fun sometimes.
 
2007-06-06 08:51:50 AM  
Oh, and for those of you saying, "Now the gubment will want to put these in all our cars..." You're a couple years late for that.

http://news.com.com/E-tracking%2C%2Bcoming%2Bto%2Ba%2BDMV%2Bnear%2Byou​/2010-1071 _3-5980979.html

/Sorry no html skilz today.
 
2007-06-06 08:52:28 AM  
When I drive past the kids, they all spit and cuss . . . .
 
2007-06-06 08:53:38 AM  
Safeco will probably toss in some value-added features like:

1. disabling ignition if your premium is overdue
2. asshat in control room secretly stalking your 17yr old daughters and filming them. Only to get caught and debut as the Pervert DuJour on Fark.
 
2007-06-06 08:54:09 AM  
"I can check at any time on the Internet where she is. She is a good kid, and I want to keep her that way."


And now you understand how Girls Gone Wild continues to have no problem recruiting "volunteers" to get naked for a t-shirt.
 
2007-06-06 09:01:48 AM  
Not worth it to have insurance with a company that leaves you and anyone who was in your car at the time high and dry if you are in a wreck.
 
2007-06-06 09:02:47 AM  
fappomatic: 2. asshat in control room secretly stalking your 17yr old daughters and filming them. Only to get caught and debut as the Pervert DuJour on Fark.

I'll take that job.

/giggity
 
2007-06-06 09:04:01 AM  
Wow, it took a whole 3 posts before the paranoid big brother fearmongers came out.

Anyone who fears this system obviously does not have teen aged childred, or doesn't care what happens to them.

Inexperienced drivers are dangerous to themselves and others.
BTDT, chances are, you have too.
 
2007-06-06 09:06:13 AM  
I switched from Geico to Safeco about 2 yrs ago. Best decision EVAR.

I've been waiting for a car insurance company to come out with something like this...I'm not surprised it was Safeco.

/Geckos and cavemen are overrated.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2007-06-06 09:07:44 AM  
Safeco will probably toss in some value-added features like disabling ignition if your premium is overdue

Some high risk car loans are enforced by a box that disables the ignition if the loan payment is late. You have to call the lender every week or month to get a new code to start the car. They only give you the code if your payment has been received. Apparently it works well except for the usual foulups you expect from a combination of technology and corporate mediocrity.
 
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