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(Yahoo)   Shockingly, California's rich and famous are basically ignoring laws requiring them to provide public access to their "private" beaches   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 124
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2007-06-04 11:13:00 AM
Way to go Californians. At least you've managed to push fuel cell cars for the environment (they're not really all that much better) and run your budget into the ground.

I really hope the majority of you stay the fark out of Colorado.
 
2007-06-04 11:55:58 AM
ahh california - the 'do as I say, not as I do' state.
 
2007-06-04 12:01:36 PM
If it weren't a beach, people would have no problem with homeowners keeping the public out of their backyard. But, according to the Coastal Act, local governments can effectively tell a landowner that the beach property isn't theirs. I understand the environmental concerns, but that's effectively seizing property.
 
2007-06-04 12:04:29 PM
Weaver95

You hit the nail on the head with that one. The amount of hypocrisy I've seen since moving here is just amazing.
 
2007-06-04 12:09:50 PM
The amount of hypocrisy I've seen since moving here is just amazing.

At least the rich convervatives are up front about 'their' land. What gets me is the rich liberals. They're all about 'the little guy' until they might have to share beach space with some white middle aged overweight couple and their pack of hellspawn. Then they're all like 'HEY! that'll ruin my view! we can't be having that!'
 
2007-06-04 12:14:29 PM
Simple solution:

Drive the cattle through Main St.
 
2007-06-04 01:05:13 PM
Good old California. The same people who think hiring Lindsay Lohan or Paris for anything not porn related, actually think we value their opinions on anything?
 
2007-06-04 01:15:26 PM
UNC you're wrong, according to the Courts the coastal waters of the US have always been considered a public property including the beaches up to the high water marks.
 
2007-06-04 01:18:17 PM
Stupid law. Some one who buys a beachfront house should have the beach included in the property. It's not like there's a shortage of public beaches around- no need to force these people to let Joe Fark set up camp in what is essentially these people's backyard.

Oh, but I forgot. They're rich so they must be evil.
 
2007-06-04 01:24:25 PM
UNC_Samurai 2007-06-04 12:01:36 PM

If it weren't a beach, people would have no problem with homeowners keeping the public out of their backyard. But, according to the Coastal Act, local governments can effectively tell a landowner that the beach property isn't theirs. I understand the environmental concerns, but that's effectively seizing property.


No it isn't, not even a little. There is no "property" to seize in this case. It is one of the most ancient and settled perogatives of Sovereigns and governments to determine where Land (which is ownable, devisable etc) begins and where the Coast (which is considered part of the Sea and therefore not deedable or ownable) ends.

(this stems from the fact that if all beaches and coastline were in private hands it would be impossible for any shipping to occur without either trespass or the levying by landowners of ruinous "tolls")

Under British Law, for example, the line of private ownership starts at the mean high-tide marker, below that the beach is acessible to anyone who wishes to use it. California has made a similar defintion on where their "coastline" ends. It is also a long settled tennant of property law that if private property stands between you and land you are entitled to access, then you have an implied easement (right to cross the land) unless a road or other method of passage has been provided.
 
2007-06-04 02:04:23 PM
Weaver95: At least the rich convervatives are up front about 'their' land. What gets me is the rich liberals. They're all about 'the little guy'

damn, I wish I knew enough rich people living right on the beach to make such claims, maybe they would let me crash at their places throughout the summer...
 
2007-06-04 02:21:03 PM
What Magorn said.

But don't bother reading or trying to understand the law or anything. It's easier to be outraged when you create imaginary conditions and invisible enemies. Especially if it gives you the opportunity to get up on your soapbox and rail against [insert political enemy here].
 
2007-06-04 02:57:13 PM
Howard Finkelstein: Way to go Californians. At least you've managed to push fuel cell cars for the environment (they're not really all that much better) and run your budget into the ground.

I really hope the majority of you stay the fark out of Colorado.


I want to put in my vote for keeping out the Texans.
 
2007-06-04 03:18:39 PM
"I understand the environmental concerns, but that's effectively seizing property."

No. That's a zoning restriction, which was undoubtedly in place when the property was purchased. Also, see Magorn's post. Similar stuff applies to navigable waterways.
 
2007-06-04 03:18:52 PM
I ignorne laws all the time.
 
2007-06-04 03:19:19 PM
You shudder with horror and disgust now, but think about it: We are your future. Muhahaha!!!!eleven
 
2007-06-04 03:19:23 PM
Their beach front property will probably be underwater in a few hundred years.


buy Arizona real estate now..
 
2007-06-04 03:19:55 PM
How does the law address a "man-made" beach?
 
2007-06-04 03:22:30 PM
Some one who buys a beachfront house should have the beach included in the property.

Yes, but how far out? There has to be a "line" somewhere; the property can't extend out into the ocean for miles and miles.

If it were me, I'd define the "line" as being 100 yards beyond the low tide level.
 
2007-06-04 03:22:57 PM
tortilla burger
I ignorne laws all the time.

Including spelling laws.
 
2007-06-04 03:23:17 PM
And lets not forget they can have a backyard, but only up to a certain point.. just like my house backs onto a park, but I cant claim the whole dam park.
 
2007-06-04 03:24:00 PM
Tortilla

golf clap - subtle.
 
2007-06-04 03:27:10 PM
This is why I could never be a firefighter out here. Whenever there's a wildfire that threatens houses built on hills or along the coast, I usually root for the fire.

/hates it how a handful of rich people ruin the view and activities of thousands
 
2007-06-04 03:28:01 PM
Teddy K. approves!!
 
2007-06-04 03:30:58 PM
By building or buying a house on the beach and restricting access to the beach, I guess they are protecting the beach and surrounding environment from the rest of us ruining it :)
 
2007-06-04 03:31:14 PM
Churchill2004- It's not like there's a shortage of public beaches around- no need to force these people to let Joe Fark set up camp in what is essentially these people's backyard.

It is not their backyard. The beach is public property. As for the shortage of public beaches, there are around 35 million people in California. There are definitely not enough beaches in many areas.
 
2007-06-04 03:32:07 PM
To quote Linus van Pelt:

"I love mankind. It's people I can't stand."

Must've been from CA
 
2007-06-04 03:32:30 PM
Churchill2004

Oh, but I forgot. They're rich so they must be evil.

No, what you forgot is that they knew, or should have known about how the law works before they bought the house on the beach. It's not like this is new or anything. The beach has never been part of anyone's property, so don't go crying when joe fark decides to roast his fat pale ass on the beach by your house.

Farking whiners, jesus..
 
2007-06-04 03:33:28 PM
Broadcastdave 2007-06-04 02:57:13 PM
I want to put in my vote for keeping out the Texans.


I was going to say the same thing, but you beat me to it. So I will say my vote is to keep out the Pennsylvanians.
 
2007-06-04 03:34:39 PM
Broadcastdave: I want to put in my vote for keeping out the Texans.

Well, the Texans are being displaced by Californians...
 
2007-06-04 03:35:48 PM
Well, at least UNCSamurai got his/her ass handed to them.
 
2007-06-04 03:36:44 PM
California's got the most of them, boy they got a host of them...
 
2007-06-04 03:36:50 PM
i'm pretty sure Paris Hilton is not a private biatch and that she has provided access to countless men, women, bears. WTF people? Kahleeforneeya's rich and famous are putting out the welcome mat.
 
2007-06-04 03:37:12 PM
This is what the neo-cons want the whole country to be like.
 
2007-06-04 03:37:27 PM
Wish I had some private beach property to stomp across.

Unfortunately, all my access is easy and of a known good quality.

Need to do the Ocean Drive thing at some point, though.
 
2007-06-04 03:37:49 PM
So when is the mega earthquake going to drop most of the coastal region of California into the ocean? I want to know when to start buying property in Arizona for future beach front property.
 
2007-06-04 03:39:01 PM
I'm a first nation person, and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2007-06-04 03:40:46 PM
labeling the beaches "private" in the first place is false, you can't own a beach here
 
2007-06-04 03:40:48 PM
What Magorn said. For good reason.

Same thing as easements for roads...if you don't like it, don't live there.
 
2007-06-04 03:40:59 PM
Anyone know how far from the beach you have to be? In El Salvador public property was (I think) 10 meters away from the high tide line - but everyone gave up further distance because the water had a thing for eating up homes during rough seasons.

In Nashville the lake is 8 yards away.

I want water front property someday :(

/preferably a beach
//with snow
///and no farking people
 
2007-06-04 03:41:01 PM
Times got so tough that the commission decided to save money by punching their own holes in paper instead of buying it prepunched.

Are the employees punching the holes on their off time?

Otherwise I would have to guess that the pay to employees in the time spent punching holes would be more than just ponying up the extra cents for the pre-punched paper.
 
2007-06-04 03:41:17 PM
Keep both the Texans and Californians out of Colorado and I might move back...

/loved Colorado, hated all the rude transplants from CA/TX
//was not rude because Wisconsin people just aren't made that way :)
 
2007-06-04 03:41:45 PM
I went to college in Malibu (Pepperdine) and I'm not surprised at all.

There are plenty of "limousine liberals" out there who think they have compassion towards the "common man" when they really don't.

I know that life's not fair, but it still irks me that liberals can have all that money, and I'm just middle class.
 
2007-06-04 03:41:55 PM
What Magorn said.

For good reason too, if you don't like it, leave.
 
2007-06-04 03:42:08 PM
Phil McKracken

Californians started the migration before the Texans. The Texans are by far the worst though. Their was a group of Texans that wanted to start a theme park in Colorado that only Texas Residents could use. There was also the library proposal in Vail that only Texans could use.

Neither one of them can drive in the winter.

/grew up in Colorado, lived in San Diego and Killeen post college
 
2007-06-04 03:42:27 PM
buy Arizona real estate now..

They already have. Thanks for jacking up the prices.

Oh and quit your biatching. "but in California we..." Oh yeah? Interesting. We don't. So get the fark out of my state.
 
2007-06-04 03:42:34 PM
From the mean high tide down is public beach, if you dont like it fark off you leftist nazi scumbags
 
2007-06-04 03:43:31 PM
Can you say... arrogant liberal hypocrites?
 
2007-06-04 03:43:55 PM
They should have interviewed B-rad G about the people bein' all up on your private beach.
 
2007-06-04 03:44:08 PM
these people are missing out on a golden opportunity

phase 1: buy tow truck
phase 2: slash tires of people parking in front of your property
phase 3: profit.
 
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