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(Bartcop)   Comparison between Bush's America and George Orwell's 1984   (bartcop.com) divider line 184
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2002-08-28 10:20:54 PM
In Animal Farm, the refrain "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad", is eventually replaced with "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better", as the pigs become human.
Today with the Bush Administration, it's gone from:
"Less Government Control Good, More Government Control Bad"
to
"Less Government Control Good, More Government Control Better"

Stuff about Reagan terrified me. Stuff about Clinton terrified me. Now I'm damn near stupified with terror for the future. And the worst thing is, it isn't clear at this point who the enemy is. Due to political correctness (from the left), we won't close our borders and closely monitor (profile) those most likely to be a danger to us. That's viewed as "bad". So instead of profiling and enforcing our border rights, to "protect the U.S.A.", we're about to kill a bunch of people in Iraq (and a not-inconsequential number of Americans in uniform). We're prepared to wage a war we needn't wage, because we won't take LOGICAL precautions here. In the name of security. I weep for my freedom, my children, and my country.
 
2002-08-29 09:06:22 AM
Not a very accurate title. It's more about Animal Farm. I don't think the media has done a bad job of showing dissenting viewpoints of George 'The Monkey Clown' Bush. But it is pretty scary that people who were given tickets by mistake could be arrested. Were they really arrested, or just escorted out?
 
2002-08-29 09:15:22 AM
I tend to agree with some of those points, but.....Was that written by a farkin' five-year-old?
 
2002-08-29 09:18:53 AM
Animal farm is relevant to most political situations in most countries. That's part of why it's such a good book. It hardly takes a genius to pick an example and start drawing parallels.
 
2002-08-29 09:20:25 AM
You can tell how accurate the news media is getting in reporting Bush's gross incompetence.

Whenever they get something right, the Repukes scream "liberal media".
 
2002-08-29 09:22:11 AM
Zenmaster: "So instead of profiling and enforcing our border rights, to "protect the U.S.A.", we're about to kill a bunch of people in Iraq (and a not-inconsequential number of Americans in uniform)."

I think you're confused. We're not attacking Iraq because our borders are porous and we feel vulnerable--we're attacking because we can. Saddam is a bad man and we have troops in the region, so (the policy goes) why not take advantage of the opportunity?
 
2002-08-29 09:22:38 AM
Egads! I love that BartCop.

Koresh, there should be more like him.
 
43%
2002-08-29 09:23:52 AM
A noticeable difference between 1984 and real life is the ease at which you can leave Bush's America and go somewhere else.
Which I would recommend for the Bush=tyranny crowd. I would suggest going to a country that matches the mental image you have of what america is. Granted, you may not be allowed to leave -- and, of course, the arrival of a bourgeois american leftist may inspire the locals to kill, I would recommend it. Just so you can compare the US to a fascist dictatorship with some authority.
 
2002-08-29 09:24:51 AM
Didn't we do this last week already?
 
2002-08-29 09:27:32 AM
43%

Perhaps I should go to Canada, England, Switzerland, Germany or Finland; despite their repressive regimes that make us SO glad to be American. (Not jealous, no! Never!)
 
2002-08-29 09:32:57 AM
Amsuing with liberals have to use Bartcop as support for their positions. The guy is a total retard.
 
43%
2002-08-29 09:34:10 AM
DeSelby: Mmmmmm. the capitalist oligarchies in those countries is exquisite.
 
2002-08-29 09:35:52 AM
Frankly I think that it's a huge mistake to assume that there's a grand design behind any of this administration's actions. Let's face it, the only two Cabinet members we have right now with any government experience relevant to their positions are Don Rumsfeld (who is fighting Pentagon brass in order to have weapons systems scrapped) and Colin Powell (who is being made more and more irrelevant by the right-wingnuts in the administration).

It's hard not to see the current white house for what it is -- a motley crew of frat boys and Jesus-freaks who fail in record time when it comes to actually taking care of problems which the executive branch is routinely confronted with. No one exemplifies this better than John Ashcroft of course, the man who is supposed to defend the rights guaranteed in the bill of rights, but would rather use the latter as toilet paper. Seriously, what is more typical of gross incompetence than, when faced with an unexpected situation, wanting to literally stop the world so you can have a look at everything that's going on? How different is that from what that Holy Fool is attempting to do?

Not that Congress is doing much better. Both sides in the Capitol have now fully surrendered to corruption and routinely present bills which are tailor-made to create a new class of entities in this country: the almighty corporation, which is allowed to do things ordinary citizens are barred from doing, and get to have input -- no, not input, almost complete control -- over the lawmaking process in this country the likes of which citizens have never seen, nor will ever see. Thanks a lot, Senator Hollins, you greedy, corrupt SOB...

Not that Clinton was much better, but he had such charisma that he could feed you a cowpat and told you it was a Godiva truffle, and you'd believe it.

Seriously, the more you look at government, and the way it's become over the last decade, the more likely you are to lose your lunch.
 
2002-08-29 09:36:24 AM
America's reaction to the unprecedented events of 9-11-02 presented GWB with the golden opportunity to capitalize on peoples' fears, present himself & his cronies as saviors and do just about anything he damn well pleases in the name of fighting "evil." For him to pass up this opportunity, he'd have to go way beyond his normal state of clueless to mega-retard.

Whether or not he rightfully won the election, I don't recall anywhere in the President's duties the task of "fighting evil." (That's more Spiderman's area; although Bush the younger might do well to learn from Spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibiltiy.")

By declaring his so-called "war on terrorism" in America's weakest (i.e., most confused) time, GWB wrote himself a blank check to impose his will on Americans and the world. Unfortunately, we Americans are the ones who will have to foot the bill (in all respects) for this "blank check."
 
2002-08-29 09:37:54 AM
Wow...just read this piece of tripe again. Absolutely zero substances. Makes comparisons between 1984 and current America, but doesn't back any of them up. Bartshiatforbrains makes a superficial comparison, then moves on to the next "comparison". I don't know who the bigger moron is: Bartdunce or the mod that posted this crap.
 
2002-08-29 09:38:11 AM
I love how these far-left articles never actually tell you WHY the cops felt it necessary to intervene on behalf of whoever they're protesting.

How much you bet that the guys who got the free tickets kept chanting some inane slogan while Bush was trying to deliver a speech, trying as hard as they could not to inform, but to disrupt.
 
2002-08-29 09:38:28 AM
43%

My reasoning is thus:

List the freedoms I have and the freedoms they have. List the intrusions I put up with and the intrusions they put up with. Conclusion: We're not as free as they.

P.S. America isn't a capitalist oligarchy?
 
2002-08-29 09:38:29 AM
Excellent point, crappy article.

Paul Krugman wrote about this a few weeks ago here. There are lots of artilcles making this analagy.

What is super-Orwellian is the fact that we recognize it is happening yet let it continue.
 
2002-08-29 09:41:03 AM
I don't think Bush is any grand scheme master, though. Guy couldn't string enough words together to order a pizza over the phone.
 
2002-08-29 09:41:05 AM
 
2002-08-29 09:42:11 AM
Rrrrriiiiggghhhhhhtttttt.....
 
2002-08-29 09:43:56 AM
How soon people forget the fear and paranoia in the days following 9/11. Perhaps this is why these things have been intitiated by the Bush administration?? Hello? Is there anybody OUT THERE?
 
2002-08-29 09:45:57 AM
This article like most biased articles is filled with complaints against the other side while ignoring the blatantly obvious similarities of their side.

All these polarized hate filled politicos disgust me. Why the hell can't people admit it when they are part of the problem.
 
2002-08-29 09:50:07 AM
As obvious as obvious gets.
 
2002-08-29 09:53:21 AM
I don't like Bush that much either, but I don't jump on the liberal bandwagon just because it makes me feel smart to draw feeble comparisons between great doomsday literature and my current situation.

I don't like the DMCA, the Hollins bill, or any of that creativity-squelching bullshiat, but I don't sit around whining about to people who agree with me: I educate people I know about the issues at hand without resorting to sensationalism.

The simple fact that you can still voice your dissenting opinion, and even do something about it if you'd get off the computer, refutes all of your claims about us living in an Orwellian society. Last I heard, we have access to more information now than ever before, and we have more and better ways to get the straight dope on the people we elect to represent us.

All we have to do is take the time, probably two or three hours at most, to actually do the research it takes to vote for the right people and get the wrong ones out. Hear about a court case in your district that gets a stupid ruling? Find out who the judge was, write them a letter, and then vote for somebody else. Don't like the president? Get him the hell out. Find out info about ALL of the candidates in your state's primary and vote for the best one. They're all going to be rich white men, but that doesn't mean they're all idiots.

I personally have always felt that Bush is not the caliber of person we need in the Presidency. Apparently almost exactly half of the nation agreed with me, but the supreme court did not. I don't think the supreme court should've made that decision, and I think the entire election process needs to be retooled, but since I don't have the time or will to do anything about it, I damned well better accept it. I'm personally happy with the fact that after 2 more years, we can GET RID OF BUSH.

If this were an orwellian society, do you think that would be an option?
 
2002-08-29 09:53:35 AM
Yep Obvious
 
2002-08-29 09:55:22 AM
Terrified...that is a pretty extreme word abused in the Boobies. Typical overreacting to be sure, but I wish people would use appropriate words to describe their feelings instead of complete overkill to make their point.

Clinton disgusted, disappointed, angered, and generally ticked me off. In no way could he "terrify" me unless he was threatening me with a chainsaw or, I dunno, pulled all the skin off his face revealing a pulpy skull...actually, I would laugh myself silly at that, but that's not the point.. :D
 
2002-08-29 09:56:53 AM
MisterMike
"This article like most biased articles is filled with complaints against the other side while ignoring the blatantly obvious similarities of their side."

Huh? The article was mostly a personal view from the author discribing an event that was, to the authors mind, rather scary. No real sides there.

"All these polarized hate filled politicos disgust me. Why the hell can't people admit it when they are part of the problem."

Same goes for all those polarized hate filled a-politicos. At least the 'politicos' have an idea of the greater world around them.
 
2002-08-29 10:01:05 AM
08-29-02 09:55:22 AM Mdaryl


Clinton disgusted, disappointed, angered, and generally ticked me off. In no way could he "terrify" me unless he was threatening me with a chainsaw or, I dunno, pulled all the skin off his face revealing a pulpy skull...actually, I would laugh myself silly at that, but that's not the point.. :D

Incidentally, "The Pulpy Skulls" would be an excellent name for a band.

 
43%
2002-08-29 10:02:36 AM
DeSelby Among those rights is the right to get taxed up to 70% of your income.

Everywhere sucks. But save the Orwellian comparisons for countries where these conditions actually exist. By blowing a proverbial load complaining about America, people forget about those countries where real problems actually exist. Tell someone in Zimbabwe how 'bad' america is. There is a glaring misconception that democracy == free from flaws. Some people, i imagine, would find fascist bogeymen behind every corner in the most utopian of societies. Not that that is a bad thing(any free society must have people that are vigilent about abuses), but I would just like to see a semblance of perspective. Something more than 'Dude, America sux and Bush is out to get me'

Bear in mind that Bushie and Ashcroft are mental midgets, but they'll be gone eventually, unlike the leadership of countries that the US is compared to.
 
2002-08-29 10:02:51 AM
Agreed Apoxy! :D I'll play bass... ;)
 
2002-08-29 10:03:39 AM
Mdaryl
"Clinton disgusted, disappointed, angered, and generally ticked me off. In no way could he "terrify" me unless he was threatening me with a chainsaw..."

What about if he asked to hold your 'cigar'? :D
 
2002-08-29 10:05:19 AM
Mdaryl, I will also play bass. Let's have an All Bass Pulpy Skull.
 
2002-08-29 10:05:20 AM
Bartcop is a punk windbag. And people thought the right wing conspiracy nuts were overboard during Clinton, yikes. Calm down people, W won't hurt you. You are in control of your own world, yes, YOU are responsible for what happens in your life. Not a victim of what "W" is trying to do to you. Grow up.
 
2002-08-29 10:06:27 AM
This is Big Brother. The headline is inaccurate, thus constituting a crime against the Party. The submitter is guilty of crimethink and oldspeak and shall be executed by hanging tomorrow morning.

Long live the party.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

</Nineteen Eighty-Four>
 
2002-08-29 10:07:53 AM
as farked up as Bush's administration is, at least he tried. Clintler didn't do shiat. made a bunch of silly laws and diddled with a fat womans ass. i've come to the conclusion recently that no matter who you vote for, they are gonna piss you off. so i will shaddup now, and i WILL NEVER VOTE AGAIN!!! i chose to not care about politics anymore. some of u may say, "but blakboo, how can you not care about politics?" my reply: "i dunno, but the political system is all broke down, and there isn't a single politician that appeals to me and my needs." yes, fellow farkers, i have given up.
 
2002-08-29 10:10:20 AM
Blakboo for President!
 
2002-08-29 10:10:55 AM
Thorphalanx
"Calm down people, W won't hurt you. You are in control of your own world, yes, YOU are responsible for what happens in your life. Not a victim of what "W" is trying to do to you. Grow up."

You hear that people, Thorphalanx says you don't have to pay tax and that if you're in the armed forces and your outfit is going to be sent to Iraq to play soliders in the sand, you don't have to go if you don't want to. You're not a victim and you can do what you want!

Weeeeeeeeee!
 
2002-08-29 10:11:20 AM
43%

so where do those taxes apply? I certainly never paid those sort of taxes when I was living in Germany and Holland, and I don't pay them now that I'm in the UK.

DeSelby is right. It is not the land of the free. More the opposite
 
43%
2002-08-29 10:11:50 AM
? Find out who the judge was, write them a letter, and then vote for somebody else.

Well, voting is a private, quiet act. It is more fun and rewarding to ignore local elections and wait for a bunch of 90 yr olds to elect some idiot and then stage 'Anti' whatever rallies.

There are a few benefits to this attitude:
- If you simply oppose every thing that comes along, there is no need to form opinions, you can knee-jerk a 'i hate fascist america' response and get back to your nap.
- Voting is private, but protests and rallies are good excuse to flex your coolness muscles, meet interesting chicks, and get off of work to express those rights you claim you don't have.
- You can not only vocally hate assholes, but as soon as they get into office, you can call broad classes of people assholes and fascists -- without even having to put down your latte to hear their opinions -- based on similar skin color, political affiliation, or hairstyle.
 
2002-08-29 10:11:51 AM
Apoxy: with your statement, "Bush is not the caliber of person we need in the Presidency", I think you summarized what a lot of the population thinks. But, the presidency itself is a position only desired by megalomaniacs. Most of the individuals that that would be seen as beneficial to that position, which when run through the filter of diversified American beleifs is very few, would never want the job. Who in his right mind is willing to have their personal life ripped apart for a mid 6 figure salary?
 
43%
2002-08-29 10:15:50 AM
It is not the land of the free. More the opposite

Please define. What can you do in Europe and Canada that you would get arrested or killed for in the US. Because we are talking fascism and absence of freedom (and having someone look down on you for your opinion doesn't count).
 
2002-08-29 10:17:32 AM
Craptacular essay elicits inane commentary. Film at 11:00.
 
2002-08-29 10:19:20 AM
I empathize with you Blakboo, I vote, but it seems only that I vote for the one who I think will do less harm than the other.
 
2002-08-29 10:19:29 AM
This guy's got it all farked up -- Bush's America makes 1984 look like 1923!
 
2002-08-29 10:22:52 AM
we are talking fascism and absence of freedom? what do you mean? In the US?
 
2002-08-29 10:23:40 AM
43%:What can you do in Europe and Canada that you would get arrested or killed for in the US (sic).

Well, I think I'll go down to my corner hash bar for a toke or two. Oh no, I can't!! The nearest one is in Holland which, the last time I looked, is in Europe. If I try to smoke those substances here (US of A), I'd be arrested.

Merely one example, 43%.
 
2002-08-29 10:24:39 AM
"You hear that people, Thorphalanx says you don't have to pay tax and that if you're in the armed forces and your outfit is going to be sent to Iraq to play soliders in the sand, you don't have to go if you don't want to. You're not a victim and you can do what you want!"

Yes, the last I heard the armed services were made up entirely of volunteers and I've also heard that we all have to pay taxes for icky things like the military and good things like shock "art". Yeah, we all know the W just wants to play soldier but he's too much of a coward so he's going to send those poor folks to do it for him. Glad you have it all figured out.
 
2002-08-29 10:25:53 AM
Icepick
"Apoxy: with your statement, "Bush is not the caliber of person we need in the Presidency", I think you summarized what a lot of the population thinks. But, the presidency itself is a position only desired by megalomaniacs"

Bush Jr. is a puppet president, he goes up on stage and reads the words just like he was told to (abet with a few mis-pronoucenments). You could prably make him do a little dance on the nightly news if you were the CEO of a large multi-national and had a few million burning a hole in your companies workforce pension scheme. :)
 
2002-08-29 10:26:36 AM
Icepick, I agree wholeheartedly. I am of the opinion that throughout history, the president has been really really rich coming in to office, and was really really rich coming out. There's a natural distrust of the really really rich that all people who aren't really rich harbor. It's not like the rich, as a group, haven't earned our distrust, especially considering the recent rash of earnings restatements and bankrupt fortune 500 companies.

What I look for in a presidential candidate, and any candidate for that matter, is how he came about his wealth. Is he a shrewd investor, a good manager, a calculated risk taker? Or is he a guy who's always had plenty of dad's money, and who is really good at making connections with dad's friends so he can get cushy executive positions at oil companies? Is he a guy with a strong educational background, or is he a guy who's done cocaine on numerous occasions and gotten a couple of DUI's?

Frankly, I'm not sure if people who aren't really really rich are capable of handling the presidency. If I became the president, I would suck. I have no managerial experience, I've never traveled anywhere significant, and I think I would be decidedly undiplomatic to the Arabs, the Israelis, the Palestinians, AND the Europeans. I mean, even more undiplomatic than we already are. People with experience running successful companies, though, should have all the experience they need to deal with bureaucracy and command chains and the bottom line.

So, we've gotta take what we can get. Idealism is always great on paper, but if you elect a politically-minded meter-reader who considers himself informed because he reads the economist to the presidency, you are so, so screwed.
 
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