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(Telegraph)   Up to 90 percent of Britain's ubiquitous CCTV surveillance cameras are "illegal"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 95
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2007-05-31 10:25:34 AM  
They should install the much better SCTV cameras.
 
2007-05-31 10:25:51 AM  
They're not going to do anything about it. These people still put up with having a queen, they'll put up with anything.
 
2007-05-31 10:25:53 AM  
Just don’t take away my toilet cams, and I’ll be fine.
 
2007-05-31 10:25:58 AM  
Illegal like a fox. That they chase through the country side.
With dogs and horses.
 
2007-05-31 10:25:58 AM  
England Prevails.
 
2007-05-31 10:26:09 AM  
Should be 100%.
 
2007-05-31 10:26:41 AM  
Good luck in trying to go against the government.
 
2007-05-31 10:26:58 AM  
Unfortunately, in situations like this they always find it must easier to change the law than spend money upsetting the status quo.
 
2007-05-31 10:27:17 AM  
+1 for the proper use of "ubiquitous."
 
2007-05-31 10:27:48 AM  
home.tiscali.nl

"I will make it legal."
 
2007-05-31 10:29:18 AM  
And I'm sure we all agree that this revelation will lead to the immediate dismantling of said 90 percent of the cameras.
 
2007-05-31 10:29:43 AM  
and they talk. if you litter they tell you to pick up your trash. personally I think they should all play the Benny Hill theme. that would speed all the pedestrians up.
 
2007-05-31 10:30:13 AM  
They would make a great reality TV channel.
 
2007-05-31 10:31:09 AM  
Mugato 2007-05-31 10:25:51 AM

They're not going to do anything about it. These people still put up with having a queen, they'll put up with anything.
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Pot, meet kettle.

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2007-05-31 10:31:37 AM  
tothekor

"I will make it legal."

I LOL'd
 
2007-05-31 10:32:06 AM  
what cameras?
you don't see any cameras.
 
2007-05-31 10:32:11 AM  
A show last night was talking about the ones that have speakers that politely yell at you for littering/wilding and whatnot. They also mentioned that the average Londoner is photographed 300 times a day.

Is that cool with you guys?
 
2007-05-31 10:32:21 AM  
Do the needful
They should install the much better SCTV cameras.

they tried that once but the cameras turned out to randomly explode for no apparent reason. apparently they blowed up good. they blowed up real good.
 
2007-05-31 10:33:40 AM  
Silly writer, It's not illegal if it's the government doing it.
 
2007-05-31 10:34:05 AM  
Hobodeluxe: they should all play the Benny Hill theme. that would speed all the pedestrians up.

And encourage sexy parties.
 
2007-05-31 10:34:05 AM  
Is this some kind of holdover from the I.R.A.? I remember when I visited London I couldn't find a trash can anywhere. I didn't want to just drop it on the ground so I asked somewhere what to do with my garbage and they just shrugged. Something about what a great place they were to hide bombs.

/just left it on the ground
//what was this thread about again?
 
2007-05-31 10:34:55 AM  
Meh, don't behave like idiots and you won't be treated like children.
 
2007-05-31 10:35:13 AM  
Are they illegal or "illegal"?
 
2007-05-31 10:35:40 AM  
millertrey: They would make a great reality TV channel.

It sort of is. I remember a tv show that was basicly traffic cameras catching people doing stupid driving moves on the M25 and people fraking in their cars.
 
2007-05-31 10:36:37 AM  
Mugato: They're not going to do anything about it. These people still put up with having a queen, they'll put up with anything.

It's not like she does anything significant, you know. Besides, it's good for tourism.
 
2007-05-31 10:37:43 AM  
L.B. Jeffries: /just left it on the ground

I left mine in tube stations a lot. And on trains. They have people that come and pick it up.
 
2007-05-31 10:37:58 AM  
"sometimes you have to give up your liberties to protect your freedom"
 
2007-05-31 10:39:59 AM  
...a large proportion of the UK's 14.2 million cameras...

14.2 million CCTV cameras? BS.
 
2007-05-31 10:42:18 AM  
FTFA: Mr Ferrie added that CameraWatch, a non-profit making independent body, is not against CCTV as a crime-fighting tool, and said that surveillance pictures are as useful to police as DNA forensic evidence.

"There is nothing better than actually seeing someone commit the crime," he said.


Hmmm. I'd say preventing the crime would actually be better, but thats just my opinion.
 
2007-05-31 10:42:21 AM  
in Georgia we shoot the farking things
 
2007-05-31 10:44:07 AM  
tallguywithglasseson Are they illegal or "illegal"?

The article headline says: Majority of UK's CCTV cameras "are illegal"

So perhaps, they mean that the majority of the UK's CCTV "cameras are illegal"
 
2007-05-31 10:47:52 AM  
binnster: 14.2 million CCTV cameras? BS.

You're probably correct in calling BS. From wiki:

The exact number of CCTV cameras in the UK is not known but a 2002 working paper by Michael McCahill and Clive Norris of UrbanEye[1], based on a small sample in Putney High Street, estimated the number of surveillance cameras in private premises in London is around 400,000 and the total number of cameras in the UK is around 4,000,000. The UK has one camera for every 14 people.

Still a huge number though.
 
2007-05-31 10:51:45 AM  
Well, if the don't have anything to hide, then who cares?
 
2007-05-31 10:52:01 AM  
But if CCTV is outlawed, how will Torchwood track aliens around Cardiff????
 
2007-05-31 10:54:58 AM  
The fact that the signs have to be labeled is kind of funny. I guess they are trying to avoid the "But I didn't know the police were watching me rape her" defense.

Here's a tip for all you Brits in a tizzy about this...

If you are going to do something stupid, embarrassing or illegal, don't do it on the streets.

Since when are you entitled to privacy in an openly public place.

I say bring on the cameras and post them on the corners of every block facing all directions in the US.
 
2007-05-31 10:55:18 AM  
I noticed that we are getting more cameras put up at intersections around where I live.

They put cameras at the front of our subdivision. We tried to find out why they are there and who they are monitored by, but that information is not readily available.

Now when I wait for the light to change at this intersection, I always lean forward, look up at whatever camera is closest to me, and wave.
 
2007-05-31 10:57:18 AM  
New Moon Rabbit: Now when I wait for the light to change at this intersection, I always lean forward, look up at whatever camera is closest to me, and wave.

I know someone that was charge with obstruction for waving at the camera. It was stupid.
 
2007-05-31 10:59:27 AM  
tonesskin
Well, if the don't have anything to hide, then who cares?

Me. I hide everything. Want to see it? Get a warrant.

/sarcasm detector pinging, so not directed at you
 
2007-05-31 11:00:48 AM  
chaddsfarkprefect:Is that cool with you guys?

I'm a Londoner and have never seen (heard?) one of these shouting CCTV camera thingies but no that's not cool at all, I think it was a trial that won't go citywide.

As for the being photographed 300 times a day, if the fools want to add multiple copies of my ugly mug to the data they are drowning in then go for it I say.
 
2007-05-31 11:01:27 AM  
Me. I hide everything. Want to see it? Get a warrant.

Crunch61, why do you hate America?
 
2007-05-31 11:03:10 AM  
fatal_exception

The exact number of CCTV cameras in the UK is not known but a 2002 working paper by Michael McCahill and Clive Norris of UrbanEye[1], based on a small sample in Putney High Street, estimated the number of surveillance cameras in private premises in London is around 400,000 and the total number of cameras in the UK is around 4,000,000.


So, not only are there not 14.2 million cameras, but the 4 million camera number is based on a small sample size in a small area of the most monitored city in the uk and is a count of cameras located on private premises, such as shops etc. Not so much Big Brother as Big Shopkeeper...
 
2007-05-31 11:05:29 AM  
antTheDancingJester: As for the being photographed 300 times a day, if the fools want to add multiple copies of my ugly mug to the data they are drowning in then go for it I say.

Speaking of mounds of data, seriously, how do they have the man power or resources to process so much data? We're talking hundreds of terrabytes a day!
 
2007-05-31 11:07:05 AM  
New Moon Rabbit: They put cameras at the front of our subdivision. We tried to find out why they are there and who they are monitored by, but that information is not readily available.

Stand right in front of them and shoot them out with a BB gun. You will learn everything you want to know about the people behind the cameras.
 
2007-05-31 11:07:33 AM  
andrew131: I know someone that was charge with obstruction for waving at the camera. It was stupid.

How is that obstruction, unless this involved waving your hand right in front of the lens?
 
2007-05-31 11:07:39 AM  
LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD...SHHH: Silly writer, It's not illegal if it's the government doing it.

Likely response from you....

/obvious?
 
2007-05-31 11:08:57 AM  
ddaug4uf:
If you are going to do something stupid, embarrassing or illegal, don't do it on the streets.


Have you ever been on a street in any city\town in the UK at ohhh say 11:30pm? Stupid embarrassing and illegal street antics is just something we do!

/Done plenty of illegal things in front of cameras, you know jay walking, dropping litter on the ground, drinking a beer on the street.

//I agree more cameras the better, good luck monitoring them!
 
2007-05-31 11:09:34 AM  
Should be the Obvious and/or Sad Tags.

I think it's hilarious (and sad) that some people in this country point to Europe as the new world beacon of privacy & civil liberties.

Many European cities have CCTV networks already, or are planning them. Even sweet, sweet, Amsterdam has a citywide surveillance system on the table. Flying out Charles de Gaul airport in Paris? Expect just a little bit more than just taking your shoes off at security. They've got German Shepards and dudes with berets & assault rifles roaming around while you answer a full blown interogation about what the hell you were doing in Paris, and what you have in your bags.
 
2007-05-31 11:10:46 AM  
New Moon Rabbit

If one of those cameras were to somehow, ahem, become damaged you could then wait and watch who comes to repair it. Should give you a better idea of who is operating them.
 
2007-05-31 11:11:57 AM  
Fluid: How is that obstruction, unless this involved waving your hand right in front of the lens?

No clue, it was dropped but only after the city made some cash.
 
2007-05-31 11:12:34 AM  
andrew131
It's simple they don't. I can't find the statistics but a shocking number of CCTV feeds pretty much just go into a black hole. Or one person watches 30 screens at the same time, and you just know they're checking out the hottie with the big rack while some ne'er do well is pushing old ladies over ..

Anecdotal, but a co-worker had their bike stolen from outside our office in central london. The police refused to look at the CCTV unless he could identify when it happened +/- 30mins!
 
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