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(CNN)   Woman gives birth to seven babies, catches up with Shawn Kemp on first try   (cnn.com) divider line 26
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2001-07-13 10:42:13 AM
I think she's still behind Kemp. I read somewhere he's fathered nine. (Guess he wanted a baseball team.)
 
2001-07-13 10:47:28 AM
Oh, I thought he had seven. My bad. Looks like I need to try using the "internet" as a resource now.
 
2001-07-13 10:48:03 AM
Oh, and I love the typo. "Woman has gives..."
 
2001-07-13 10:51:28 AM
Fertility drugs should be outlawed. Of course, this article doesn't mention whether or not she used them, but I'm going to guess that she did.
 
2001-07-13 10:59:29 AM
IckyMettle: Damn straight. Whoever's making the fertility drugs needs to re-check the possible side effects and add "May result in giving birth to a litter."

Humans are designed to be single-birth animals. Although I even think twins are bizarre, note that (most) women have only two nipples for a maximum of two simultaneous children.

Anyone else see this line in the Yahoo news story about the septuplets: "Each baby has been assigned a six-person group of specialists as a kind of ``medical SWAT team'' for premature infants. "

That's 42 high-paid medical specialists, just for the litter of kids alone; I'm sure Mom has a small handful of people working on her as well.

If this bizarre event is again the result of fertility drugs, shouldn't the drug manufacturer pay for some of this? It's bad craziness, I tell you!
 
2001-07-13 11:01:17 AM
Gotta respect this woman for wanting to remain anonymous rather than asking for the hand-outs like previous septuplets' parents did. If they want to use the fertility drugs and they can handle the consequences, I have no problem with it. Leaches who hold their hands out for donations of cars, houses, diapers, and misc. baby stuff after giving birth to multiple babies resulting from use of fertility drugs bug the piss out of me.

If I never see this family on 20/20, Primetime, Dateline etc., I say kudos and good luck.
 
2001-07-13 11:21:33 AM
Believe it or not, I'd like to hear Christian Conservative weigh in on this one. Abortion is (wrong/evil/etc.) according to the Religious Right, but how is the blatant irresponsibility of people who take fertility drugs regarded. Surely the potential death or lifetime of hardship and/or sickness of these children raises concern??
 
2001-07-13 11:23:34 AM
Giving birth to that many children is not only socially and financially irresponsible, but also poses a very serious health risk to the children. The Yahoo! story mentions those whacked-out hillbilly Jesus freaks that gave birth to septuplets a few years back (if their kids were a gift from God - why did they need fertility drugs?) and how three of the children have serious medical conditions.
 
2001-07-13 11:33:00 AM
Good point IckyMettle. If artifically aborting an pregnancy is wrong, then artifically creating a pregnancy should also be wrong. You can't have it both ways.
 
Rei
2001-07-13 11:59:51 AM
BassetHound:
There's a *huge* difference between fathering and giving birth to children. A man can theoretically father several children per day; a woman, at best, more than 9 months apart (she couldn't breastfeed them, either, if she was in a rush to have children - you're infertile while you're breastfeeding). And, the big deal here is how many were had at a time.

I feel sorry for that woman. That couldn't have been a pleasant experience, to say the least.

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-13 12:06:11 PM
Shouldn't have eaten that apple Rei, blame it all on Eve.
 
2001-07-13 12:12:59 PM
Sure, it's tough to bring that many children into the world. It's tough on the mom, (obviously) kids, dad, and us as society. But what can you do when you find out that you've been trying everything to get pregnant, to have children, and you finally succeed... but all of a sudden, sometime in the 2nd or 3rd trimester you find out you have 7? What do you do? Abort all of them? That's crazy. Abort 1 or 2? Throw in a couple of brass knuckles and let them fight it out? How do you decide or justify? The only recourse is to have them all and see what happens. Fertility drugs may seem like a crappy way to go, and I'll admit I don't know much about them... but what can we say to a couple who really wants a child? Sorry, there's a .1% chance you'll have more babies then Imelda Marcos has shoes, so you can't take this drug? They knew the risks going into it, and to them it was worth the chance to have a kid. And as has been pointed out, they're at least keeping the responsibility on themselves and not asking for handouts.
 
2001-07-13 12:26:26 PM
At least in the case of the hillbillies, they were taking far too many fertility drugs. The mother was on them, the father was on them, etc.

Listen, if you can't have kids, you can't have kids. That's just how it is. Couples keen on Jesus should know that "God has a plan for everyone" (and that doesn't only apply to OTHER people, like pregnant teenagers, etc). If that means you can't have children, then adopt one you f'n hypocrites.

Anyway, I'm down with the brass knuckles idea. It's very Darwinian.
 
2001-07-13 12:48:49 PM
The most common fertility drugs are forms of FSH. They should not be outlawed. The woman had the option of 'reduction' (if you don't understand the term search on IVF and reduction). When couples are undergoing fertility treatment, such as IVF, the phsyicians will usually only put back no more than three if the couple is opposed to reduction. In the event that she was opposed to reduction and on fertility drugs for IUI, upon the final ultrasound, the physician would have warned her of the risks when 7 or more mature follicles were discovered and she would have had the choice not to inseminate. On the other hand, if she was on something like Clomid, she should have been warned of the risks prior to being prescribed the medication.

For those of us who aren't against reduction, I feel it is important that procedures like IUI and IVF are available and I take offense to those with different beliefs than I to try to get into my private life and try to regulate my behaviour because they are against abortion!
 
2001-07-13 12:51:21 PM
Gizmo: What you are talking about is reduction and yes it is accomplished quite easily and is available to those in a REI progam. So in essence yes there are many choices.
 
Rei
2001-07-13 12:55:48 PM
Visuallingo:
laf :)

Actually, the bible doesn't state "apple", it stated "fruit", which in that location, was probably something like figs.

I think that whole scene is such a setup :). God informs them that its wrong to eat the fruit. However, he didn't give them the ability to discern right from wrong (apparently, he only gives that to fruit). Eve wasn't even there when God said that, but apparently God relied on Adam to to tell her, or told her, again, off camera somewhere ;) Anyways, gee, guess what happens? Who would have guessed? :)

A lot of people don't remember the second part of the line where god tells Eve that her punishment will be intense pain during childbearing (Genesis 3:16). The second part tells Eve that men will be women's masters because of this, too. (If I remember right, the NIV tones down the language used (gee, what a shock, it does that everywhere...), so you'll want to check a different version if you want to verify (don't trust the NIV any more than you'd trust McVeigh in DC with a van full of ammonium nitrate - they took a very strong "artistic license", and re-wrote a lot of the gaps/contradictions, toned down the bad things people said, etc)).

Meanwhile, back in the real world... too bad we've been in such a period of rapid evolution (forced by how rapidly our environment changes). You can thank bachaches, difficult labor, and a whole host of other problems on that (the "minor details" haven't had time to catch up yet, because major details have been changing so rapidly.. :P ).

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-13 12:57:08 PM
Rei, serious question for you, and one I'd never have though of if it wasn't for this story.

I know that you've mentioned that you and your significant other (Elaine, I think) both want children. Who's going to carry the child? Has this been decided or is this something that you are both still discussing? Just curious is all.
 
2001-07-13 12:58:20 PM
sure, most people who take fertility drugs won't have some freak litter of seven babies, but it's not a very nice chance to take. also, these people who end up having seven kids, are not people who just started taking fertility drugs. they have moved up to much stronger drugs, or to ivf. most women don't want to have these things implated in them over and over again, because it costs an insane amount and it's not fun. so, the doctor throws in a whole bunch of eggs, and hopes that one makes it, or that not too many make it. this is when you get people having way too many freaking kids.
if these people really want kids then they can adopt, and stop being so selfish. anything that puts your babies at risk of being underweight or sick is selfish.
 
2001-07-13 01:01:07 PM
Rei...
I was NOT trying to equate giving birth with fathering a child and and am well aware of a male being able to impregnate several females in a given day. My point was to "slam" Shawn Kemp for being an irresponsible twit. Being the father of two sons, I thank you for your lesson in the nuances of procreation. I always wondered how they came about. ;-)
 
Rei
2001-07-13 01:15:14 PM
Blackvampyr:
She will (I'm infertile). Though, depending on a variety of factors, (I plan to do some experimentation soon), I may be able to do some to all of the breastfeeding.

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-13 01:33:53 PM
farking idiots.

we need LESS children. and why the fu ck is she suing the fertility doctors? what the hell do you expect to happen when you go f uck ing around in your womb?
 
2001-07-13 01:40:40 PM
Again, there are plenty of orphans that need homes. If these bible thumpers weren't such hypocrites, they'd adopt. You've got to practice what you preach.
 
2001-07-13 05:04:11 PM
Mme.M HAHAHAHAHA! Yeah! That didn't offend me, it made me SO happy! Thanks!

I LOVE ANDREA YATES!!! I LOVE ANDREA YATES !!! I LOVE HER!


And Tonya Harding, too.


Forced abortions all around!

THANK YOU JESUS!
 
2001-07-13 05:54:50 PM
Ah, naming kids like that would make it so simple. . .
A,B,C,D,E,F,G
 
2001-07-13 09:10:56 PM
Dang, Merltech beat me to it. I thought that was the best part of the article. You want love? Take a number kid. And I'm sorry to hear that your 2.0 birthweight resulted in an IQ of 42. Mom and Daddy are christians.
 
2001-07-13 11:31:09 PM
That's it, breed, my pretties, breed. All the more snackies for the carnivorous aliens when they arrive.
 
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