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(AFP)   New York museum recreates Summer of Love, minus the drugs. Which was rather the whole point. That and a lot of hippies getting busy anywhere they could   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2007-05-29 07:38:34 AM  
No mention of flower-covered VW Microbus either.

/amateurs
 
2007-05-29 07:50:12 AM  
I was born during the Summer of Love. In Southern California. Which explains sooooo much...
 
2007-05-29 08:15:21 AM  
When did people stop getting busy everywhere they can?
 
2007-05-29 09:01:18 AM  
"You can experience the 60s and what it might have been taking LSD without actually having to resort to the drug," he said.

...and what is the fun in that?
 
2007-05-29 09:02:00 AM  
What's that smell? Oh, it's just hippies.
 
2007-05-29 09:05:48 AM  
Ahh, the summer of love....

[image from marksverylarge.com too old to be available]
 
2007-05-29 09:09:06 AM  
The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

Drugs were their downfall.
 
2007-05-29 09:14:47 AM  
Webgrunt: The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

Drugs were their downfall.


Well said.
 
2007-05-29 09:17:02 AM  
KellyLockhart: I was born during the Summer of Love. In Southern California. Which explains sooooo much...

Like the kicks you are getting from some of these replies?
 
2007-05-29 09:18:33 AM  
Ooh, does it cover the Tate/LaBianca murders? Altamonte? The rising interest in Satanism?
 
2007-05-29 09:24:30 AM  
so wait, why o people like hippie culture so much?

/ get off my lawn
 
2007-05-29 09:25:05 AM  
Goonie_Goo_Goo
What's that smell? Oh, it's just hippies.


No those are just Yuppies and art students pretending to be hippies. This time the smell is New York. Or New jersey. Depending upon wind direction.
 
2007-05-29 09:27:47 AM  
Webgrunt: The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

Drugs were The lure of money was their downfall.

FTFY
 
2007-05-29 09:31:52 AM  
My girlfriend was born June 21, 1967. The first day of the Summer of Love.
She should put out more than she does.
 
2007-05-29 09:34:20 AM  
those were the days
 
2007-05-29 09:42:58 AM  
Rev. Skarekroe
The rising interest in Satanism?

Gasp!!
 
2007-05-29 09:44:41 AM  
100 people with some misguided belief that they were serving a higher (no pun intended) purpose and tens of thousands of cast-offs and runaways who found a convenient rationalization for getting stoned and farking off.
 
2007-05-29 09:52:18 AM  
"You can experience the 60s and what it might have been taking LSD without actually having to resort to the drug," he said.

1. "resort"? because it's so awful the only reason you'd ever do it is to feel what it was like to be a hippie? WTF?

2. Errr, no. There is nothing like it. Nothing at all. If you haven't tried it you don't know.
 
2007-05-29 09:55:03 AM  
At least they had good music. I guess that goes with the drugs.
 
2007-05-29 10:00:53 AM  
Farkn Yaj Yenrac
Webgrunt: The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

The lure of money was their downfall.

FTFY


No, Webgrunt had it right the first time.
 
2007-05-29 10:00:53 AM  
The hippies' goals were high.

Getting
high, maybe.

They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights.

As if that never happened before. (eyeroll)

Never mind the Civil Rights Act that came along three years before, while everybody was still dressing like the Beav and grooving to Frankie Avalon records.

And never mind the smacking-down of Joe McCarthy, women's suffrage, workplace safety laws, trust-busting, dismantling Tammany-style corruption, and the small matter of ending slavery.

Nope, nobody ever stood up to The Man until the hippies came along.
 
2007-05-29 10:10:21 AM  
Money---good
Drugs---bad

Any questions?
 
2007-05-29 10:10:51 AM  
Gulper Eel

I think the point he was making was that there was something admirable at the bottom of all of the pseudo-intellectualism pseudo-spiritualism and moralistic rationalizations for indulging in life's pleasures.

People, being people, took it too far and things turned ugly and dangerous. I roll my eyes at the heady reverie with which the 60's are recalled, and try instead to focus on the good aspects: self-acceptance, tolerance, and interest in social justice. I try to ignore the stupidity, vapidity, stridency, and pedantry.
 
2007-05-29 10:12:22 AM  
KramericaWallet
Money---good
Drugs---bad

Any questions?


I'm sorry, what was time again?

/obscure?
 
2007-05-29 10:14:58 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop I'm sorry, what was time again?

We're all, like, time. Man. Time is malleable human concept that divides up nothing. Time is not real. I am time. What makes me any different from yesterday?

/damn I miss acid. The first couple of times anyway.
//yah, I have no idea what you were referencing.
 
2007-05-29 10:22:16 AM  
Gothnet We're all, like, time. Man. Time is malleable human concept that divides up nothing. Time is not real. I am time. What makes me any different from yesterday?

You read that off one of the dioramas at the museum, didn't you. That or you speak a fluent hippie.
 
2007-05-29 10:23:51 AM  
If you got a cat for one day, man I mean, if you, say, say, if you want a cat for 365 days, right you aint got him for 365 days, you got him for one day, man. well I tell you that one da
N, better be your life, man. because, you know, you can say, oh man, you can cry about the other 364, man, but youre gonna lose that one day, man, and thats all youve got. you gotta call that
, man. thats what it is, man. if you got it today you dont want it tomorrow, man, cause you dont need it, cause as a matter of fact, as we discovered in the train, tomorrow never happens, man
Its all the same farking day, man.


/tiiiiiiimmme is on my side
//yes it is
 
2007-05-29 10:24:42 AM  
How to kill a revolution:
1. Infiltrate the movement.
2. Agitate in the name of the movement.
3. Distribute tons of cheap crap drugs so the movement loses its meaning, and mind.
4. Profit.
 
2007-05-29 10:29:39 AM  
Oh yeah, that's right. It's the drugs that forced the generation that supposedly fought the man and his corrupt and bloated system to take over that same system and make it even more corrupt and bloated.

Stupid drugs.
 
2007-05-29 10:33:15 AM  
Can some of you people explain to me how exactly the drugs led to their downfall? I missed it by several decades. I know there was a lot of crime, and a lot of people with sheep mentality, but what exactly did the drugs contribute to this? I mean, if they had all been like the few rock stars that quit doing drugs because of spirituality or self-improvement, what would've been different? (Other than Nixon not declaring the the war on drugs)

I'm not trying to agitate or anything, I really want to hear people's ideas about this.
 
2007-05-29 10:43:26 AM  
KramericaWallet

A good and fair treatment of this is Acid Dreams by Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain. They are very pro-drug and pro-"counterculture". They describe how, using the Haight as an example, how intense involvement with drugs made the counterculture sorts rife for exploitation. Self-styled "outlaws" ran into real bad guys and didn't fare too well.
 
2007-05-29 10:43:41 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop: pseudo-spiritualism

As opposed to real spiritualism?

And then the drugs, man. Or should I say, "Daddy-O"?

Lois Armstrong, Billie Holiday, Gene Krupa, Art Pepper, Anita O'Day, Stan Getz, Miles Davis, Bill Evans, and on and on and on.

Hippies didn't invent drugs Daddy-O. Many of the greatest Jazz musicians were total dope fiends.
 
2007-05-29 10:44:27 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop

I spent some time as a guide in the outer reaches of haight-ashbury and learned to speak their...

Nah, I'm shiatting ya, it's self parody.
 
2007-05-29 10:45:30 AM  
Well, I'll put it on my list.
 
2007-05-29 10:51:04 AM  
Where are my manners? Thanks for the reference, guys.
 
2007-05-29 10:55:24 AM  
0Icky0

You are totally right. However, your point is different from mine. The jazz artists in post-WWII America used a lot of drugs. Mostly weed, but many notables used heroin as you are obviously aware.

I think there is a difference between a bunch of black artists who were excluded from participating in Harry and Ike's America creating a separate culture in which they could succeed and a bunch of largely middle and upper middle class airheads farking around on their parents' dime all the while saying they are doing so for only the most high minded reasons.

And pseudo-spiritualism because there was no discipline to their disciplines. Makes them equivalent to Oprah's minions IMHO.
 
2007-05-29 10:59:15 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop

Does there have to be discipline? Surely if the doctrine is freedom from convention then that implies that discipline is the opposite of the spiritual direction they're going in?

Personally I think they were a bunch of people out to have a good time and I think they did that real well. Some people bring "spirituality" into anything though.
 
2007-05-29 11:15:37 AM  
AndreMA
Yeah, the English just did a study with psilocybin and alcoholics. One nasty trip was more effective percentage wise then AA.
 
2007-05-29 11:24:40 AM  
I, personally, can't imagine things changing in the US very quickly, when more than half of the country believes genesis over evolution, and government is run by republicrats. You would've thought that when people who have done drugs were in charge (Clinton, Bush, etc.) things would change, but no. And, oddly enough, Obama's website doesn't mention drug policy. At least he would probably try to get rid of the crack vs cocaine thing.
 
2007-05-29 11:33:51 AM  
AndrewMA

Graduated myself a few years back. Enjoyed a good few experiences, loved LSD. I never saw it as spiritual, more of a drug that I would take with small groups of friends, often only two of us.

I saw some things, I thought some things, I laughed until muscles on the back of my skull hurt, I got to know myself better in the process.
Then the last time I did it I just thought "Oh, here again, done this now" and went to sleep. Never took it since, though now, about 5 years on, I'm tempted to try again, I think it's because I feel I've lost my way a bit in the last couple of years and that it might somehow be useful, even if all that happens is I spend 8 hours laughing myself numb again.
 
2007-05-29 11:34:18 AM  
Those who do not remember the 60s are condemned to repeat them.
 
2007-05-29 11:39:21 AM  
Hippies - drugs = bums.
 
2007-05-29 11:40:01 AM  
poorly.
 
2007-05-29 11:43:29 AM  
studebaker hoch
Hippies - drugs = todays business leaders
They sold out.
 
2007-05-29 11:50:04 AM  
KramericaWallet
Can some of you people explain to me how exactly the drugs led to their downfall? I missed it by several decades. I know there was a lot of crime, and a lot of people with sheep mentality, but what exactly did the drugs contribute to this? I mean, if they had all been like the few rock stars that quit doing drugs because of spirituality or self-improvement, what would've been different? (Other than Nixon not declaring the the war on drugs)

I'm not trying to agitate or anything, I really want to hear people's ideas about this.


This will be anecdotal and not by any means meant to explain a phenomenon. My biggest difficulty was that I just couldnt stay high forever. Run out of money or situational changes and there I was for weeks at a time devoid of recreational drugs. The problem was that things which had beautiful clarity and poetry and righteousness and purity when I was high mostly seemed goofy when I was not high. Different perspective, different values perhaps but ultimately unless I stayed high different things mattered different amounts. man.
 
2007-05-29 11:52:20 AM  
AndrewMA

It was a very small dose of shrooms last year that nmade me start thinking. Was a little drunk and had been up all night, it go t light, we sat outside and took what was left of a bag that had hung around for about 2 years. It did very little but make the colours a bit brighter and weirder and I thought "actually, that was quite fun".

And yes, acid is waaaaaay too long for me now. It requires serious time for the resting afterwards.

To anyone reading this that is thinking about taking it - I'm not advocating LSD here, I think if you're worrying much about it it's probably best left alone and that everyone should decide for themselves if they want the experience because it is a very powerful thing.
 
2007-05-29 12:00:23 PM  
AndreMA While I disagree somewhat with the broad-brushing as "airheads", your point remains.

A rhetorical flourish. No offense intended.

To your list I would add a recent entry from the Johns Hopkins group: Griffiths RR, Richards WA, McCann U, Jesse R. (2006). Psilocybin can occasion mystical-type experiences having substantial and sustained personal meaning and spiritual significance. Psychopharmacology. July 11, 2006.

I think the jury is out on whether or hallucinogens can be used therapeutically. Most of the work from the 1960's is of pretty poor quality (uncontrolled, unblinded etc) which is why the Griffiths paper is important. He has a whole grant on studying psilocybin in cancer patients. My guess is one would have to pick the right subjects and use it in the right setting (the whole "drug, set, setting" idea) for it to be of much therapeutic utility. Still, there is good cause to study them. The research needs to be of good quality though.
 
2007-05-29 12:06:04 PM  
While we're on the topic of drugs. If they were legal, Afghanistan wouldn't be such a big mess now.

Mikaloyd
I'm the same way for certain things, e.g. certain bands, etc. But of course this would be a non-issue if one could buy pot at a smoke shop for $5 an ounce, like we can tobacco.
 
2007-05-29 12:06:42 PM  
HappyDaddy: There is nothing like it. Nothing at all. If you haven't tried it you don't know.

amen...

"If I had to explain, you wouldn't underdstand anyway..."
 
2007-05-29 12:07:55 PM  
Gothnet Does there have to be discipline? Surely if the doctrine is freedom from convention then that implies that discipline is the opposite of the spiritual direction they're going in?

Personally I think they were a bunch of people out to have a good time and I think they did that real well. Some people bring "spirituality" into anything though


I agree. They were people having a good time. The problem is, they attacked "the establishment" that allowed for their existence and pretended there was a moralistic drive in their doing what they wanted to do. If they had just said, "Look, you guys are working too hard, in our opinion, and you are not taking the time to enjoy life. In your desire to fit in, you are missing out on a lot of what makes life fun and meaningful" I'd have no problem with them.

The problem is they took it way, way beyond that: Calling anyone who didn't agree with them facists, sneering at people who made different decisions than they did, elevating hedonism to a moral imperative, etc.

And there has to be enough discipline in anyone's school of thought to think critically about one's own activities. They never examined themselves as closely or as critically as they examined others.

"I do what I feel like."- Brad Goodman, PhD (in pain).
 
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