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(AFP)   New York museum recreates Summer of Love, minus the drugs. Which was rather the whole point. That and a lot of hippies getting busy anywhere they could   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 74
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2007-05-29 07:38:34 AM  
No mention of flower-covered VW Microbus either.

/amateurs
 
2007-05-29 07:50:12 AM  
I was born during the Summer of Love. In Southern California. Which explains sooooo much...
 
2007-05-29 08:15:21 AM  
When did people stop getting busy everywhere they can?
 
2007-05-29 09:01:18 AM  
"You can experience the 60s and what it might have been taking LSD without actually having to resort to the drug," he said.

...and what is the fun in that?
 
2007-05-29 09:02:00 AM  
What's that smell? Oh, it's just hippies.
 
2007-05-29 09:05:48 AM  
Ahh, the summer of love....

www.marksverylarge.com
 
2007-05-29 09:09:06 AM  
The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

Drugs were their downfall.
 
2007-05-29 09:14:47 AM  
Webgrunt: The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

Drugs were their downfall.


Well said.
 
2007-05-29 09:17:02 AM  
KellyLockhart: I was born during the Summer of Love. In Southern California. Which explains sooooo much...

Like the kicks you are getting from some of these replies?
 
2007-05-29 09:18:33 AM  
Ooh, does it cover the Tate/LaBianca murders? Altamonte? The rising interest in Satanism?
 
2007-05-29 09:24:30 AM  
so wait, why o people like hippie culture so much?

/ get off my lawn
 
2007-05-29 09:25:05 AM  
Goonie_Goo_Goo
What's that smell? Oh, it's just hippies.


No those are just Yuppies and art students pretending to be hippies. This time the smell is New York. Or New jersey. Depending upon wind direction.
 
2007-05-29 09:27:47 AM  
Webgrunt: The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

Drugs were The lure of money was their downfall.

FTFY
 
2007-05-29 09:31:52 AM  
My girlfriend was born June 21, 1967. The first day of the Summer of Love.
She should put out more than she does.
 
2007-05-29 09:34:20 AM  
those were the days
 
2007-05-29 09:42:58 AM  
Rev. Skarekroe
The rising interest in Satanism?

Gasp!!
 
2007-05-29 09:44:41 AM  
100 people with some misguided belief that they were serving a higher (no pun intended) purpose and tens of thousands of cast-offs and runaways who found a convenient rationalization for getting stoned and farking off.
 
2007-05-29 09:52:18 AM  
"You can experience the 60s and what it might have been taking LSD without actually having to resort to the drug," he said.

1. "resort"? because it's so awful the only reason you'd ever do it is to feel what it was like to be a hippie? WTF?

2. Errr, no. There is nothing like it. Nothing at all. If you haven't tried it you don't know.
 
2007-05-29 09:55:03 AM  
At least they had good music. I guess that goes with the drugs.
 
2007-05-29 10:00:53 AM  
Farkn Yaj Yenrac
Webgrunt: The hippies' goals were high. They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights. In some circles those actions will still get you branded a traitor, but not like it was in the 1950s, not by a long shot.

The lure of money was their downfall.

FTFY


No, Webgrunt had it right the first time.
 
2007-05-29 10:00:53 AM  
The hippies' goals were high.

Getting
high, maybe.

They didn't accomplish much, but they did crack certain psycho-social taboos, like questioning the government and demanding one's constitutional rights.

As if that never happened before. (eyeroll)

Never mind the Civil Rights Act that came along three years before, while everybody was still dressing like the Beav and grooving to Frankie Avalon records.

And never mind the smacking-down of Joe McCarthy, women's suffrage, workplace safety laws, trust-busting, dismantling Tammany-style corruption, and the small matter of ending slavery.

Nope, nobody ever stood up to The Man until the hippies came along.
 
2007-05-29 10:10:21 AM  
Money---good
Drugs---bad

Any questions?
 
2007-05-29 10:10:51 AM  
Gulper Eel

I think the point he was making was that there was something admirable at the bottom of all of the pseudo-intellectualism pseudo-spiritualism and moralistic rationalizations for indulging in life's pleasures.

People, being people, took it too far and things turned ugly and dangerous. I roll my eyes at the heady reverie with which the 60's are recalled, and try instead to focus on the good aspects: self-acceptance, tolerance, and interest in social justice. I try to ignore the stupidity, vapidity, stridency, and pedantry.
 
2007-05-29 10:12:22 AM  
KramericaWallet
Money---good
Drugs---bad

Any questions?


I'm sorry, what was time again?

/obscure?
 
2007-05-29 10:14:58 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop I'm sorry, what was time again?

We're all, like, time. Man. Time is malleable human concept that divides up nothing. Time is not real. I am time. What makes me any different from yesterday?

/damn I miss acid. The first couple of times anyway.
//yah, I have no idea what you were referencing.
 
2007-05-29 10:22:16 AM  
Gothnet We're all, like, time. Man. Time is malleable human concept that divides up nothing. Time is not real. I am time. What makes me any different from yesterday?

You read that off one of the dioramas at the museum, didn't you. That or you speak a fluent hippie.
 
2007-05-29 10:23:51 AM  
If you got a cat for one day, man I mean, if you, say, say, if you want a cat for 365 days, right you aint got him for 365 days, you got him for one day, man. well I tell you that one da
N, better be your life, man. because, you know, you can say, oh man, you can cry about the other 364, man, but youre gonna lose that one day, man, and thats all youve got. you gotta call that
, man. thats what it is, man. if you got it today you dont want it tomorrow, man, cause you dont need it, cause as a matter of fact, as we discovered in the train, tomorrow never happens, man
Its all the same farking day, man.


/tiiiiiiimmme is on my side
//yes it is
 
2007-05-29 10:24:42 AM  
How to kill a revolution:
1. Infiltrate the movement.
2. Agitate in the name of the movement.
3. Distribute tons of cheap crap drugs so the movement loses its meaning, and mind.
4. Profit.
 
2007-05-29 10:29:39 AM  
Oh yeah, that's right. It's the drugs that forced the generation that supposedly fought the man and his corrupt and bloated system to take over that same system and make it even more corrupt and bloated.

Stupid drugs.
 
2007-05-29 10:33:15 AM  
Can some of you people explain to me how exactly the drugs led to their downfall? I missed it by several decades. I know there was a lot of crime, and a lot of people with sheep mentality, but what exactly did the drugs contribute to this? I mean, if they had all been like the few rock stars that quit doing drugs because of spirituality or self-improvement, what would've been different? (Other than Nixon not declaring the the war on drugs)

I'm not trying to agitate or anything, I really want to hear people's ideas about this.
 
2007-05-29 10:40:26 AM  
Farkonnen I think is spot on. Prior to October 1966, LSD was legal and bad trips seldom occurred. Owsley rode high, along with Kesey and the Merry Pranksters.

Then everything changed. LSD was outlawed, leading to a flood of poorly synthesized psychedelics that hoped to dodge the law. The Feds cracked down on Mexican border traffic in marijuana, and people turned increasingly to amphetamines and heroin that was coming in from Southeast Asia with a wink and a nod of the CIA.

This is why it fell apart. LSD isn't magic, but it does tend to expose that which is already within one. If you're an asshole, you become a bigger asshole. Early on, the people who were taking it were for the most part - perhaps naively - trying to change the world for the better and preaching peace and love.

Then the media helped turn it into a circus, and the influx of people of all sorts into Haight Ashbury doomed the movement. That's why a year after the Sumemr of Love "hippie is dead" occured, with the mock funeral and the like.
 
2007-05-29 10:43:26 AM  
KramericaWallet

A good and fair treatment of this is Acid Dreams by Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain. They are very pro-drug and pro-"counterculture". They describe how, using the Haight as an example, how intense involvement with drugs made the counterculture sorts rife for exploitation. Self-styled "outlaws" ran into real bad guys and didn't fare too well.
 
2007-05-29 10:43:41 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop: pseudo-spiritualism

As opposed to real spiritualism?

And then the drugs, man. Or should I say, "Daddy-O"?

Lois Armstrong, Billie Holiday, Gene Krupa, Art Pepper, Anita O'Day, Stan Getz, Miles Davis, Bill Evans, and on and on and on.

Hippies didn't invent drugs Daddy-O. Many of the greatest Jazz musicians were total dope fiends.
 
2007-05-29 10:44:27 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop

I spent some time as a guide in the outer reaches of haight-ashbury and learned to speak their...

Nah, I'm shiatting ya, it's self parody.
 
2007-05-29 10:44:54 AM  
Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: the CIA, the Sixties and Beyond (Martin A. Less & Bruce Shlain, Grove Press, 1985) is an excellent read on this subject...
 
2007-05-29 10:45:30 AM  
Well, I'll put it on my list.
 
2007-05-29 10:48:39 AM  
Damn you, Sir Roderick!

0Icky0Jazz musicians didn't invent them either. People have been altering their conciousness with drugs that today are taboo for thousands of years. Amanita Muscaria in Europe and Siberia; psiliocybin and mescaline among North and Central American indigenous peoples, DMT in South America and Africa...
 
2007-05-29 10:51:04 AM  
Where are my manners? Thanks for the reference, guys.
 
2007-05-29 10:55:24 AM  
0Icky0

You are totally right. However, your point is different from mine. The jazz artists in post-WWII America used a lot of drugs. Mostly weed, but many notables used heroin as you are obviously aware.

I think there is a difference between a bunch of black artists who were excluded from participating in Harry and Ike's America creating a separate culture in which they could succeed and a bunch of largely middle and upper middle class airheads farking around on their parents' dime all the while saying they are doing so for only the most high minded reasons.

And pseudo-spiritualism because there was no discipline to their disciplines. Makes them equivalent to Oprah's minions IMHO.
 
2007-05-29 10:59:15 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop

Does there have to be discipline? Surely if the doctrine is freedom from convention then that implies that discipline is the opposite of the spiritual direction they're going in?

Personally I think they were a bunch of people out to have a good time and I think they did that real well. Some people bring "spirituality" into anything though.
 
2007-05-29 11:07:31 AM  
Sir Roderick Glossop2007-05-29 10:55:24 AM
I think there is a difference between a bunch of black artists who were excluded from participating in Harry and Ike's America creating a separate culture in which they could succeed and a bunch of largely middle and upper middle class airheads
While I disagree somewhat with the broad-brushing as "airheads", your point remains. That it was white, middle-class youth made a difference - after all, that impacted the constituency of the legislators!

Plus, Nixon in his paranoia seeing it as a communist plot didn't help either, and resulted in the hasty placement in Schedule I of LSD (and I think mescaline and psilocybin)... this resulted in an unfortunate Catch-22 whereby the substances bt definition have no medical utility, so getting permission to study them in humans for medical use is damned near impossible.

This despite a number of promising studies, both before and after...

...Leary's Concord Prison psilocybin study - evidence of reduced recidivism

...LSD for treatment resistant alcoholism

...LSD as a catalyst in psychotherapy

...Psilocybin for the prevention of cluster headaches

...MDMA in the immediate post-trauma timeframe for reduction of PTSD

...Psilocybin for terminal cancer pain and anxiety management - compares favorably to opiates

Because politicians were scared by hippies, promising medical uses have been on hold for 40 years. Thankfully, that's easing up a bit recently.
 
2007-05-29 11:15:37 AM  
AndreMA
Yeah, the English just did a study with psilocybin and alcoholics. One nasty trip was more effective percentage wise then AA.
 
2007-05-29 11:22:36 AM  
Gothnet re: spirituality...

In my younger years (early 1980's; I was a mere lad in the 60's) I experimented with psychedelics. I was then an atheist, but I experienced the perception of "numinosoty" - feeling connectedness with God.

Some would say it was a product of the drug. But several years later I became a born-again Christian and the conversion experience was subjectively very similar in a number of ways.

I backed off in later years and became an agnostic, believing that I'd engaged in auto-suggestion. But it seems to me that the two experiences were related; I suspect that the human brain is wired to experience this, and it can be triggered in a number of ways -- chemical, auto-suggestion or - just maybe - an actual diety manifesting itself in ones conciousness.

So in short... yes, LSD can be a deeply spiritual. So can rebirth in Christ. And so can auto-suggestion.

I'm glad I tripped, but I have no desire to do so again. Psychedelics tend to be like that; people outgrow them. The hippies - some of them at least - recognized this, hence "graduating from acid" into a whole plethora of other things including meditation, eastern religion, etc.

/derived what benefit I could and "graduated"
 
2007-05-29 11:24:40 AM  
I, personally, can't imagine things changing in the US very quickly, when more than half of the country believes genesis over evolution, and government is run by republicrats. You would've thought that when people who have done drugs were in charge (Clinton, Bush, etc.) things would change, but no. And, oddly enough, Obama's website doesn't mention drug policy. At least he would probably try to get rid of the crack vs cocaine thing.
 
2007-05-29 11:33:51 AM  
AndrewMA

Graduated myself a few years back. Enjoyed a good few experiences, loved LSD. I never saw it as spiritual, more of a drug that I would take with small groups of friends, often only two of us.

I saw some things, I thought some things, I laughed until muscles on the back of my skull hurt, I got to know myself better in the process.
Then the last time I did it I just thought "Oh, here again, done this now" and went to sleep. Never took it since, though now, about 5 years on, I'm tempted to try again, I think it's because I feel I've lost my way a bit in the last couple of years and that it might somehow be useful, even if all that happens is I spend 8 hours laughing myself numb again.
 
2007-05-29 11:34:18 AM  
Those who do not remember the 60s are condemned to repeat them.
 
2007-05-29 11:39:21 AM  
Hippies - drugs = bums.
 
2007-05-29 11:39:42 AM  
A clarification - I said I had no desire to trip again - this is incorrect; I have no desire to use large doses of psychedelics again. Every few years I still do like to eat a few grams of mushrooms to the point of lots of giggling. It seems to have a cleansing effect.

I'm also not suggesting that anyone partake or refrain from doing so. And if you do, be responsible - know your supplier and have a close friend with you who stays clear. While the margin of safety between an effective and a toxic dose is quite wide for most psychedelics, one can still do something foolish under the influence and hurt themselves.
 
2007-05-29 11:40:01 AM  
poorly.
 
2007-05-29 11:43:29 AM  
studebaker hoch
Hippies - drugs = todays business leaders
They sold out.
 
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