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(Newsweek)   The "alpha male" is dead. Say a quiet hello to the "beta male"   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 277
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2007-05-29 08:21:42 AM
it's a movie ad

until men start giving birth, women will continue to chase money/power/looks.

women have much more of an investment in pregnancy then men.

plus we have society values that require young/good looking women most anything they want.
 
2007-05-29 08:23:19 AM
(from "A Dirty Job")
While Alpha Males are often gifted with superior physical attributes-size, strength, speed, good looks-selected by evolution over the eons by the strongest surviving and, essentially, getting all the girls, the Beta Male gene has survived not by meeting and overcoming adversity, but by anticipating and avoiding it. That is, when the Alpha Males were out charging after mastodons, the Beta Males could imagine in advance that attacking what was essentially an angry, woolly bulldozer with a pointy stick might be a losing proposition, so they hung back at camp to console the grieving widows.
When Alpha Males set out to conquer neighboring tribes, to count coups and take heads, Beta Males could see in advance that in the event of a victory, the influx of female slaves was going to leave a surplus of mateless women cast out for younger trophy models, with nothing to do but salt down the heads and file the uncounted coups, and some would find solace in the arms of any Beta Male smart enough to survive. In the case of defeat, well, there was that widows thing again. The Beta Male is seldom the strongest or the fastest, but because he can anticipate danger, he far outnumbers his Alpha Male competition. The world is led by Alpha Males, but the machinery of the world turns on the bearings of the Beta Male.
 
2007-05-29 08:47:35 AM
Human pecking order and sexual role is more complicated than "alpha" and "beta" folks.

And, as far as I can tell TFA is pretty much talking about a subset of the population or just what is in media.
 
2007-05-29 08:48:58 AM
iKill: Notice how in every commercial that involves a man and woman, the man always makes an ass of himself while the woman is clever and poised.

I think that is because (insert random statistic here) most shopping for household products in the country is done by women, and we are easily manipulated by advertising... If I have to choose between the detergent that smells good and the detergent that tells me I am smarter than my man (and it smells good too), well damn it all - I want to feel smart!

Maybe not, but this is how advertisers think.


And as a complete aside, I'd just like to say that I think Seth Rogan is hot, and I don't really understand how he became the prototypical "beta-male" in the shiatty article.
 
2007-05-29 08:54:02 AM
I blame guys with liberal arts degrees, "...oh cool you can paint with karate chops, that's really neat--NOW Go Build a farking car you wuss!" The pussification of the middle class white american male is one of those trends you can never really understand the reasoning behind. And then you see those guys who reject that trend and buy into the whole urban youth message, and it's like, "guy. you grew up in the burbs, the only minorities you've ever seen are on tv, or cleaning your office, or are tutoring you..." Beta males getting the girls only happens in LA, every other city those guys are five moths to one cute flame, and she has more baggage than they make drugs to erase. Ke sera sera
 
2007-05-29 09:01:59 AM
this article is full of shiat there's always been alpha and beta males and so on

hollywood is fantasyland, none of it is real, and whatever real elements there are are pumped full of steroids and cocaine for the sake of drama and entertainment

dramatic movies aren't supposed to represent real life anyways, they've always been there to represent what goes on in our heads (ya know, imagination, too bad lots of people don't get this)

and for the record, if you really wanna see a downward trend in maledom, look back 3000 years ago compared to today and males today are domesticated cats comparatively
 
2007-05-29 09:07:52 AM
newsimg.bbc.co.uk

This thread is useless without photos of hippies and Neil.
 
2007-05-29 09:12:23 AM
I've met me women who were completely hammered... but not drunk enough to go for me. What gives? Oh ya, that's right, I'm not in a movie.
 
2007-05-29 09:19:04 AM
The Ultimate Alpha Male
www.nndb.com

/anybody catch Rocky III over the weekend?
 
2007-05-29 09:22:16 AM
Considering the scene is from the upcoming film "Knocked Up," you can probably guess that what begins as an unlikely one-night stand doesn't end the next morning.

I saw this the first time around when it was called "Fools Rush In".
 
2007-05-29 09:24:11 AM
I'm an alpha male, so I would be getting a kick out of these replies if I wasn't busy scoring hot chicks.

/I keed, I keed
//if I fly Delta am I a delta male?
 
2007-05-29 09:26:08 AM
szyska: but not drunk enough to go for me

you're doing it wrong
 
2007-05-29 09:30:03 AM
Meh, people and their categories. I alternate between the two. When it's time to not be a pussy, I switch to my game face and power through it. When it's time to chill out, I flop on the couch and biatch like anyone else. If you're going to beat the system you have to be able to alternate between the two worlds.
 
2007-05-29 09:33:39 AM
www.thewrestlingpost.com

Monty Brown disagrees with subby
 
2007-05-29 09:34:36 AM
Lupercanalius Assbarnacle
Is it too late to nominate the poorest written piece of crap of the year? Because I think the Starkville Daily News just got knocked out of the running.

Given both articles, I think Brian Hawkins from the Starkville Daily News should try to get a gig at Newsweek.
 
2007-05-29 09:35:15 AM
/assert masculinity
/quit thread
 
2007-05-29 09:41:23 AM
Women want to screw the Alpha and marry the Beta.

Sorry men.
 
2007-05-29 09:44:58 AM
The_Time_Master

Fear not!

The scientists at the "Secret Society of Pick Up Artists" have successfully modeled the Alpha Male, and should the Alpha Male go extinct they will be able to synthesize him easily!

http://www.fastseduction.com for details!

/Style is my biatch


I read the book by Niel Strauss. It was rather amusing. How could you forget about Mystery though?

Dankowski

Strictly speaking, the ultimate genetic victory for a woman is to get an alpha male to impregnate her, and a beta male to take care of the kid (as the beta male is much more likely to actually stick around and raise it, while the alpha male is more inclined to sleep around as much as possible). The alpha male typically has much stronger genes and a much better chance to a) survive and b) reproduce.

In modern times, survival to age of reproduction is nearly 99%, but there was a time when a significantly high portion of children didn't make it, and so it just made sense to go for the male with the best genetics to father your child.

You see the same pattern in chimps and other primates, and it's now beginning to be fairly well documented in human behavioral studies.

Of course, the ultimate genetic failure for a beta male is to raise the child of an alpha male, thereby wasting his resources and not allowing him to pass on his own genetic code.

Summary is that alpha-males are one night stand material, and beta-males are marriage material.


How true, how true.

In scrolling through these posts, I have yet to see someone who has commented or made any statements on is the dormant alpha-male.

The guy who is perceived as a beta but is actually an alpha.
 
2007-05-29 09:47:08 AM
Hello ladies... *wink wink*
 
2007-05-29 09:48:26 AM
JimmyDeGration-

It's forces beyond my control... I don't go out and drink alone, looks bad. I have about 2 friends who will go out and drink on a regular basis with me. One will just sulk in the corner and the other will get completely trashed even though he says he'll "help me out". I don't get drunk not because I feel it's good form not to puke on some girl I just met but because no matter the occasion, my birthday, promotion at work.. etc, I drive. So I have to watch this guy so he doesn't do anything stupid. It's either not go out all or go out and have to be a baby sitter by the end of the night.
 
2007-05-29 09:53:32 AM
I do not believe in this "alpha male". Arent all males alpha? What about the beta woman? The one that expects to split all the house chores. Or the one that expects you to attend all of her stupid friends' parties or even worse family? Alpha woman = Carol Brady. Bizitch never complained. She smartened up and got a house keeper. Wouldnt dare mouth off to Greg.

/hold on...the woman is acting up
//gets horse whip
 
2007-05-29 09:55:41 AM
Coach McGuirk

I see your Alpha-Male and raise you a lightbulb

i17.photobucket.com
 
2007-05-29 09:59:07 AM
Bob Dolemite
In scrolling through these posts, I have yet to see someone who has commented or made any statements on is the dormant alpha-male.

See my post 2007-05-29 08:17:33 AM. Think of them as 'stealth alphas', not as 'dormant'.
 
2007-05-29 10:01:42 AM
Uhh... No. The beta male still gets the alpha males leftovers. Citing movies and tv is funny stuff. What's next? Are we going to be using somebody's dreams?
 
2007-05-29 10:05:01 AM
what can you expect when video games raise kids these days?

most couldn't throw a spiral if their lives depended on it. if you're one of these "beta males", you're getting mocked, nancy. guarantee it.
 
2007-05-29 10:05:26 AM
How true, how true.

In scrolling through these posts, I have yet to see someone who has commented or made any statements on is the dormant alpha-male.

The guy who is perceived as a beta but is actually an alpha.


I've found drinking heavily helps weed out the alphas from the betas.

betas don't see it as a competition and eventually will go to bed w/out being too belligerent. Alphas will stay up as late as possible drinking as much as possible until they are satisfied they've proven their drinking dominance.

or is that nonalcoholics vs alcoholics...
 
2007-05-29 10:15:42 AM
Geeks are the new alpha male. Get used to it.
 
2007-05-29 10:15:47 AM
It's not just that we're more successful at life, it's that we're not desperate. Working out excessively (ie. to look good rather than to feel healthy), spending tons of money on nice clothes and a car and so on makes you look like you're trying too hard...perhaps to compensate for something?

/no job
//not into sports
///really farking hot girlfriend
 
2007-05-29 10:16:00 AM
This article would be relevant if women knew what they wanted. They don't so this is just pure shiat.

/Not everyone is either an alpha or beta male
//Women will still pick the asshole in the end
///Don't be mad, just learn and deal with it
 
2007-05-29 10:21:19 AM
Ah, labels. Society loves their labels don't they?

Having said that, I'm of the "scales of grey" camp that suggests that "Alpha" vs. "Beta" is really just the extremes of the scale, and the vast majority of people exist in the middle at some point on the scale (as a visual, a 0-100 scale, where 0 is Beta and 100 is Alpha, or vice-versa, it doesn't really matter which is at which end for the visual) and only our fantasy heroes and villains exist on either end of the scale, because the people at either extreme in real life lack some element of the positive skillset that allows them to succeed and procreate.

A 'pure' Alpha male would be destructive in the pursuit of ambition, while a pure 'Beta' male would over analyze a situation and avoid virtually all ambition and responsibility. The drive to procreate is an ambition in itself.

So, in order for our society to perpetuate with these two different methods, elements of both sides positive aspects must mix to help cancel out the negatives. So a Beta male has the foresight to know that going off and dumping all your money into a high risk stock is a stupid idea, but the Beta doesn't necessarily NOT invest.

On the flip-side, a male more inclined to be an Alpha male (using the one-night-stand example) has the drive to spread the seed around and pick up lots of chicks, but also understands that, in a modern context, they need to have some level of empathy with females if they want to actually have kids. It's one thing to fark a lot of women, but it's quite another to find one willing to put up with the macho shiat that is often associated with the "alpha" methodology. Hence, these 'alphas' are able to have some measure of compassion and show love and affection. Perhaps not as much as a beta (not because it isn't there, but it's a different level of acceptance of that emotional response) but it's still there and it's still substantial enough to attract a potential mate.

If there was not a middle-ground, then it would fail to explain how the heads of corporations were able to have kids, or the leaders of political parties were able to have a life after their ambition has been fulfilled; these are people that (normally) have compassion and empathy for post-materialist issues and are often loving family people (there are contrary examples of course, this doesn't apply to all politicians or major executives) while also making what appears to be callous or even horrific decisions in the name of their ideology or profit. One only has to watch the documentary "The Corporation". Ray Anderson for instance, opens up in the documentary about how his job as an executive of Interface inc. caused irreparable harm to the environment for decades and he never gave it a thought until someone started asking questions about it to him in the 90s.

His ambition, therefore, overruled his compassion and ethical aspects in favour of ambition, which obviously created success for him.

/I had fun typing it out at least.
 
2007-05-29 10:21:43 AM
Now when geeks learn to slap a biatch around a little, they'll start getting all the women.
 
2007-05-29 10:24:33 AM
Now when geeks learn to slap a biatch around a little, they'll start getting all the women.

In Real World, biatch slaps you!!!
 
2007-05-29 10:34:37 AM
"Some people will do anything for attention, let's see how many women are lining up when they realise there's no chance of a follow up show to get their mugs on the box..........."

heh...mugs...on a box
 
2007-05-29 10:35:14 AM
szyska
It's forces beyond my control... I don't go out and drink alone, looks bad. I have about 2 friends who will go out and drink on a regular basis with me. One will just sulk in the corner and the other will get completely trashed even though he says he'll "help me out". I don't get drunk not because I feel it's good form not to puke on some girl I just met but because no matter the occasion, my birthday, promotion at work.. etc, I drive. So I have to watch this guy so he doesn't do anything stupid. It's either not go out all or go out and have to be a baby sitter by the end of the night.

Believe it or not, you're probably better off going out on your own if you are seriously planning on getting a girl. You already have enough possible cock-blocks happening without also having to possibly have things get farked up by your friends.

I have one friend, good guy but when he drinks a lot he starts to talk extremely loud. He has no clue how to talk to women he doesnt know so he'll blurt out something totally rude or inappropriate just to get a reaction. Hence, if I go out drinking w/this guy I pretty much forgo the idea that I will be getting any.

But give it a try. It will feel weird at first but after the first few times you'll get over that "Oh man I look like a loser" BS.

Have fun!
 
2007-05-29 10:40:09 AM
This may be a related issue, have you noticed that majority of our most popular American leading men these days falls into the boyish category:

Tom Cruise
Brad Pitt
Ed Norton
Matt Damon
Leonardo Dicaprio
Toby Mcguire
Keanu Reeves
Johnny Depp

Who would've thought Toby Mcguire can be the star of most popular action movie right now? This is a very different from the late 80's and 90's, when the Stallone, Willis, Schwarzenegger, and Ford dominated the box office.

Today you have to look abroad to get the more 'mature' male leads:

Russell Crowe
Daniel Craig
Clive Owen
Hugh Jackman
Christian Bale

Of course on the British side they have Jude Law and Orlando Bloom.
 
2007-05-29 10:42:58 AM
Oh please...When you go out by yourself to a bar. You think girls will say to themselves, "Whose that mysterious guy in the corner not saying anything??" More likely, "Will he stop staring at us???" Use your stupid friends to your advantage. Have one drunk friend approach a girl acting like an asshole but you rescue her and apologize. You seem like a good guy and then you get something to talk about. It works.
 
2007-05-29 10:46:32 AM
JohnnyLiebs
Your idea could work, but even then your buddy would have to have some idea of how to do it right.

Say what you will but I've done just fine going places on my own at times.
 
2007-05-29 10:50:21 AM
www.cinecultist.com

www.bbc.co.uk

alpha male or beta male?
 
2007-05-29 10:56:26 AM
I guess it depends on your age bracket. Im 23 and I see these dudes all the time up on the wall not doing anyting and girls want nothing to do with them. They want Chad "the dude" Abercrombie and his friends. I guess maybe its different when you are older. Who knows anyway?
 
2007-05-29 10:58:11 AM
i26.photobucket.com
Approves! He has made a career out of being a 2nd place nobody
 
2007-05-29 11:02:42 AM
Jonny
I am only two years older than you so the age range is pretty much the same. And I totally agree with you, except I don't just stand there in the corner with a cloak and look mysterious until I magically get laid.

Usually if I'm out alone it's easier to do an approach on one or two girls. A group is harder if you are by your lonesome. Unless they engage you first or make solid eye contact. Then it's on ;-)
 
2007-05-29 11:05:49 AM
http://bbs.chrismoore.com/viewtopic.php?t=7415

The beginning of the Beta Male Manifesto, by Christopher Moore (see: the Dirty Job mentions above)
 
2007-05-29 11:06:24 AM
InferiousX

haha the image of a man with a cloak in the corner is great. I use my superior dancing skills. I drop the robot like woah. That always works...ummm...

I cant say Ive ever done it alone. I have had a gf for a while now so Ive been out of the game but I always go out with the same group. Group on group interaction seems to always work. After group interaction you can single them out later without looking like a creep. Ask any girl, they are highly suspicious of the dude who just approaches them out of no where.
 
2007-05-29 11:12:37 AM
Let me know when they get to the zed males.
 
2007-05-29 11:12:49 AM
This article reeks of a woman wishing her boyfriend was more sensitive and liked to do more things with her like go to flower shows and hold babies. You wish, ladies.
 
2007-05-29 11:15:56 AM
ROFL. Just lollerskates. Honestly, if you cats out there need to know how to act, just pick up a copy of Cosmo and don't do the shiat in there. Regardless of what garbage the industry tries to push down your throat, just remember this. Guys like chicks, chicks like guys, except when they're gay. All you need to know. You'll find someone.
 
2007-05-29 11:18:20 AM
William 'Fat Tony' Williams

alpha male or beta male?

Talented actor?
 
2007-05-29 11:20:58 AM
Rock:

"Zed's dead, Baby."
 
2007-05-29 11:21:29 AM
Jonny
Yeah I tried the mysterious guy who doesnt talk to anyone thing. Worked a couple of times but not nearly as well as actively chatting someone up.

Lots of times you'll get signs of interest, but then if you just sit there and try to be Viggo Mortensen in a hood for too long, you go home alone.
 
2007-05-29 11:29:23 AM
cutplugherring
what can you expect when video games raise kids these days?

most couldn't throw a spiral if their lives depended on it.


Aha. Well, if you have to play football to be an Alpha, why bother? I'll stick to guitar, thanks.
 
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