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(Some Guy)   Farmers in North Carolina want to legally be able to sell raw milk. "My husband and brother-in-law grew up on raw milk. They were raised here, and that's what was in their bottle."   (news-record.com) divider line 117
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2007-05-25 05:37:26 PM
Your husband and brother-in-law also formed acapella jug band called the Parasite Two where they play 5-foot tapeworms they pluck out of their arses like a stand-up bass, but you'd rather not talk about THAT now right?
 
2007-05-25 05:45:58 PM
......eeeeewwwwwww.......
 
2007-05-25 05:50:31 PM
FTA: "When you think about it, if milk was so bad, why didn't we all die out long before pasteurization?" Foster asked.

Well, gee, Skippy, when you think about it, if raw milk was so good, why the hell did they invest pasteurization?!!

Jesus.

Admittedly, today it's probably a lot safer thanks to the organic movement and the potential for lawsuits, but I know of a family that was killed off in it's entirety (besides one lactose intolerant little girl) thanks to a tubercular cow. I'll be passing on the raw milk.
 
2007-05-25 05:51:28 PM
Yup, there are lots of local farmers who would like to be able to sell raw milk. You'd be surprised at how nasty local dairies are, how quickly they call up some government goons to shut down smaller operations.

It's just business. Big business. Sometimes, governmental regulations are just as much protection for business as they are a punishment- it means less competition.
 
2007-05-25 06:11:34 PM
I've heard there are raw milk speakeasies and I drink raw milk when I visit family in the country.

Never harmed me and tastes/cooks fantastic!



/Tapey the tapework agrees!
 
2007-05-25 06:28:10 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If the FDA would back off on the draconian pasteurization regulations, Wisconsin would kick France's butt in the cheese market.
 
2007-05-25 06:44:42 PM
By the way, I only play the role of bacterophobe. I am with Nabb1 on the French cheese thing. One of the most embarrassing incidents in my life involved the seizure of my suitcase full of unpasteurized Camembert.

In fact I have been known to fling my self head first down lactose-soaked bannisters at Poppin' Momma conventions.
 
2007-05-25 06:54:49 PM
Meh. My grandparents had a dairy farm when I was a kid. We used to have raw milk all the time at their house.
 
2007-05-25 07:12:14 PM
i11.photobucket.com

Rat milk?
 
2007-05-25 07:39:05 PM
Those who wanted to buy the unpasteurized milk would have to buy a share of the cow producing the milk.

Then you can trade those shares for some magic beans.
 
2007-05-25 07:42:22 PM
What is all this "want to be able to" crap-ola?

I pour mine over scrapple.
 
2007-05-25 08:11:54 PM
Nice to see hippies getting annoyed by nanny-state legislation. I thought legalizing pot was the only time they became libertarians.
 
2007-05-25 08:37:39 PM
brap: Your husband and brother-in-law also formed acapella jug band called the Parasite Two where they play 5-foot tapeworms they pluck out of their arses like a stand-up bass, but you'd rather not talk about THAT now right?

Winner.
 
2007-05-25 08:50:27 PM
milk is not intended for humans after infancy.
 
2007-05-25 08:52:55 PM
As long as doctors and paramedics are FORBIDDEN by law to treat people who drink it knowingly, fine.

" 911 my husband is sick, I think it's from the raw milk he drank!"..."Fine, call us when he's dead and we'll come get the corpse."

/personal responsibility FTW!
 
2007-05-25 08:53:25 PM
dammit, i live in NC, and these people get in the news, and everybody else in the country thinks we're all like this.

PASTEURIZATION'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 1862, WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF NEW THINGS?!
 
2007-05-25 08:53:25 PM
Anyone who gives raw milk to a baby should be put up against a wall and shot.

/on second thought, a wall's too good for them.
//Remember kids, anthrax is organic and all natural!
 
2007-05-25 08:55:10 PM
Mmmm.

MMMMMMM..

Drinking from a cow that might have Mastitis.

Now that's healthy.

classes.aces.uiuc.edu

//farking hate milk
///I drink Silk (Soy Milk). Tastes like cardboard, but at least I'm not spending my mornings puking and feeling like the cow shat in my gut.
 
2007-05-25 08:59:44 PM
Insert Cool Name
Totally changes the taste and it prevents making some traditional soft cheese.

/loves teh illegal cheese
 
2007-05-25 08:59:45 PM
thedarkshadow: I'm sure I can find pictures of soy or rice with blight. Drinking soy milk from soy that might have blight. MMMMM. Now that's healthy.
 
2007-05-25 09:02:57 PM
"Eat your vitamins and say your prayers!"

Hulkamania running wild!
 
2007-05-25 09:03:39 PM
As long as the consumer knows its raw milk, why not?

/would hate to go to jail for selling raw milk
//"what are you in for?"
 
2007-05-25 09:04:37 PM
Raw milk is nutritionally far superior to pasteurized milk, and most of the issues that made pasteurization so important are no longer of concern.
 
2007-05-25 09:04:44 PM
raw milk?

why not just walk up to a cow, take the udder in mouth and suck the cow body fluids

in fact why not just suck off a bull? or drink milk harvested from rats or racoons? monkeys?

the way humans tend to treat dairy cows is like parasitism

incidence of osteoporosis is highest in countries with the highest milk consumption (US and some Scandinavian country at the top).

milk does not build strong bones any more than eating dietary calcium (which can come from vegetables like brocolli) and weight bearing excersice?

because of BGH (bovine growth hormone)they grow abnormally large udders which are prone to infection. because of this, every 12 oz glass of milk contains about 8 drops of pus

/hates milk too, it's equally gross and cruel
//vanilla flavor Rice Dream on my cereal please
 
2007-05-25 09:05:56 PM
Insert Cool Name: dammit, i live in NC


Well that's a problem, innit?
 
2007-05-25 09:07:33 PM
bachdog
You might as well soak cardboard in water and add some ground chalk, because that is what soy and rice milk taste like.
 
2007-05-25 09:07:45 PM
I've been one of those irritating vegetarian soy milk guys for about five years now, but a few years ago I bought some raw milk from a local dairy farm just so I could give it a whirl. It tasted pretty much like grass clippings; I wound up skimming the cream off the top, using it to make some very serious pudding, and tossing the rest of it. Feh.

Marcus Aurelius Can we not bring up scrapple, please? I moved away from the Pennsylvania area just so I'd never have to hear about it again. I call into question anyone who would eat a "meat" made from the parts of an pig that were unfit for hot dogs.
 
2007-05-25 09:08:21 PM
brap: Your husband and brother-in-law also formed acapella jug band called the Parasite Two where they play 5-foot tapeworms they pluck out of their arses like a stand-up bass, but you'd rather not talk about THAT now right?

Scienceman123: Winner.

I would agree with you if not for the phrase "a capella jug band" which is inherently self-contradictory.
 
2007-05-25 09:08:40 PM
onpoint:

It's horemone contents are higher, yes, but that is *not* a good thing.

'most of the issues that made pasteurization so important are no longer of concern' wow, I didn't realise that human kind had wiped out disease, must have missed the memo.
 
2007-05-25 09:08:50 PM
"When you think about it, if milk was so bad, why didn't we all die out long before pasteurization?" Foster asked.

I don't die from diarrhea but I sure as hell would rather cook my meat and pasteurize my milk than have it, buddy.

\just sat though a lecture on mycoplasma infection in dairy cows and presented a case of gangrenous mastitis that I helped treat.
\\had a big glass of pasteurized milk when I got home
 
2007-05-25 09:11:25 PM
DaCricket
Meh. My grandparents had a dairy farm when I was a kid. We used to have raw milk all the time at their house.

Same here. As I recall, the dairy did have machinery that the milk was ran through before it was stored in a large metal tank...I'd like to say that that was some sort of purification process, but I honestly have no idea. We drank it, though...
 
2007-05-25 09:11:42 PM
Raw milk is nutritionally far superior to pasteurized milk,

It's full of fat and is too nutritious for humans. milk was meant to nourish a cow child to grow big. In humans, cow milk is too much nutrition, makes people fat

humans were not meant to drink milk from cows, it's just a tradition. Most people don't even make the lactase gene so they don't digest or break down lactose (milk sugar). it passes into the gut where bad bacteria digest it and produce gas and bloating.

Many people are lactose intolerant and have digestive problems they've always considered normal or a fact of life. they'd notice a big difference if they took a break from cow nutrients for a while
 
2007-05-25 09:12:08 PM
"When you think about it, if milk was so bad, why didn't we all die out long before pasteurization?" Foster asked.

yeah! FARKIN A MAAAAAN and antibiotics tooo and and for that matter we never died out before we had the FDA anyway



/whata retard
// too much Fat anyway ...
/// but does she swallow ?
 
2007-05-25 09:13:41 PM
"Do you want it pasteurized?"

"No, just up to my chest will be fine..."
 
2007-05-25 09:14:08 PM
My husband and brother-in-law

Anyone want to bet it's the same person?
 
2007-05-25 09:15:20 PM
Hey, there's little nanny state legislation lifted.

Damn I'm feeling more and more anarchistic every day..
 
2007-05-25 09:16:36 PM
pope183: "When you think about it, if milk was so bad, why didn't we all die out long before pasteurization?"



When you think about it, if volcano explosions were so bad, why didn't we all die when the Krakatoa exploded?

/Wow. Just...wow.
 
2007-05-25 09:16:52 PM
Absolutely, bachdog. I used to spend entirely too much time on the terlet praying for a speedy death before I cut out most of my dairy. 8th Continent Soy Milk FTW.
 
2007-05-25 09:17:28 PM
onpoint

I cant believe I read that. Raw milk has a great deal of issues and the only "nutrient" lost is an enzyme, which your stomach acid denatures in seconds. The whole point of pastuerization isnt just disease, its shelf life and some other things that are probably boring.

Oh ya, and the french cheeses, like the wines, fell short in closed taste pannels to even canadian cheeses.
 
2007-05-25 09:17:33 PM
I have noticed that Milk in the US tastes way different then that back home. I guess it is all the hormones and shiat. Hmmm Yummmy
 
2007-05-25 09:18:06 PM
Bovine the Terrible: Can we not bring up scrapple, please? I moved away from the Pennsylvania area just so I'd never have to hear about it again. I call into question anyone who would eat a "meat" made from the parts of an pig that were unfit for hot dogs.

Hey now, I cannot abide any badmouthing of scrapple. It's much healthier than sausage or bacon and quite a bit tastier than those other breakfast meats.

I have no idea why anyone would pour milk over it, however... might as well pour orange juice on your meatloaf.
 
2007-05-25 09:18:43 PM
onpoint

I cant believe I read that. Raw milk has a great deal of issues and the only "nutrient" lost is an enzyme, which your stomach acid denatures in seconds. The whole point of pastuerization isnt just disease, its shelf life and some other things that are probably boring.

Oh ya, and the french cheeses, like the wines, fell short in closed taste pannels to even canadian cheeses.

Also fat free milk exists bachdog
 
2007-05-25 09:19:22 PM
Most of the Old Order Mennonites in my area drink milk straight from the cow. As a whole, they're some of the healthiest people I know and a LOT of them are in their 80's and even older.

/ they also have some other NASTY habits, though
 
2007-05-25 09:19:49 PM
I love milk.

I grew up on a rural farm and raw milk was free.
The cows were free range and hormone free. They ate only grass in the summer, and silage and hay in the winter.

Raw milk is not something I would recommend for general consumption.
If you are going to drink raw milk, you need to know where it came from. You don't want raw milk from a factory farm.

My father personally chose and milked the cows our milk came from.
 
2007-05-25 09:22:01 PM
@bachdog

Using your logic, humans also aren't meant to eat any meat, because the animals the meat comes from are not designed to provide nutrition for humans. As far as lactose intolerance, the severity of symptoms, if not the intolerance itself, is exacerbated by pasteurization, which destroys important enzymes,and denatures milk proteins, and homogenization, which due to several factors cause the fat to be more difficult to digest.
 
2007-05-25 09:24:22 PM
Having not read the many scholarly comments by the knowledgeable fark users, I must say this little tidbit.
Once upon a time, a farmer milked his cow and his family drank the milk and made cheese and butter with the left-overs. Everyone was happy and healthy.
Then, in the 1800's when most people knew nothing about 'germs', farmers would milk their cows and pour the milk out of unwashed buckets into unwashed milk jugs. Then they would stack the jugs into a horse drawn wagon and casually spend the day driving the wagon around selling milk to people who had no refrigeration.
So people got sick and some died.
Then the politicians stepped in, thank goodness.
(you know the politicians are always there to save us)
They passed laws to protect us. (Saints be praised!)
Science took a back seat to public ignorance.
Milk had its bad germs boiled away along with its natural goodness.
Then some people wondered how milk was safe for thousands of years and suddenly was unsafe unless cooked.
Now for the facts.
Milk from a clean healthy cow is drinkable and healthy.
Milk, forced through pasteurization, looses most of its nutrients, and is only slightly more healthy than water.
Raw milk, handled properly, is not only safe but far more healthy than almost any other food product on the market.
But government agencies and a milk monopoly demand that the status quo be reinforced and upheld.
So what do you believe and why do you believe it.
Do you believe raw milk is bad because you were taught it?
Amish drink raw milk every day and suffer no health problems from it.
So what do you believe and why do you believe it.
So what do you believe and why do you believe it.
So what do you believe and why do you believe it.
Try thinking for a change.
Its so much more refreshing than just believing what you are told.
 
2007-05-25 09:32:15 PM
WOW

People you are all so misinformed. Lemme bold it for you.
Alkaline Phosphatase is the only enzyme of any importance lost in pasteurization.

This is an enzyme, which is a small protein-like structure, which is very easily denatured by any acid, like that which is in your stomach. Further, fat globules are not harder to digest in your stomach. You cannot easily absorb fat so it is broken into very small particles, which are surrounded by cholesterol, and moved through your lymbic system and ultimately your body. This particles are called micells, and are just small molecules. Processing milk is a very controlled and exact science that takes years of study to fully understand. Hippy farmers dont know the start.

Please do not believe everything the media, or people wanting to sell you stuff say, they have no idea what they are talking about.
 
2007-05-25 09:32:21 PM
I'm not easily swayed about anything, but all of a sudden I want to include raw milk, rich in nutrients, into my daily diet. What do I do?
 
2007-05-25 09:33:29 PM
I don't care one way or the other...but my brother in law has a dairy farm and his family for 100 years has drank raw milk. None of them are fat, or sick from it. Most of the dairy farmers they know do the same. (why buy milk at store prices when they have a 500 gal stainless steel tank full of it.)

Chill and drink.

If you don't want to thats great, but why not allow freedom of choice...

where are all those people who espouse not giving up 'freedoms'. Pasteurized is safer, but I say give people a choice.

Not sure but I think they allow markets to sell unpastuerized apple juice...
 
2007-05-25 09:34:17 PM
if you don't eat veal because you think it's cruel to box up calf in a crate

why do you think the veal exists in the first place?

because humans drink the milk that would otherwise

eating meat is not the same thing as arbitrarily picking a large ungulate and drinking it's body fluids and chaining it's male kids in crates for it's miserable lifetime

maybe in the past, it made a difficult life and lack of food more bearable. But today, it is a petty luxury that is unnecessary and makes people sick and fat

i don't think i'm going to change people's minds about the things they eat and consider "pleasurable"

i'm trying to show a point of view different from the billion dollar ad campaigns "got milk"

milk sucks for health, is a profit machine off the backs of dairy cows for the arbitrary pleasure of fat humans

milk is completely optional

just like human peener was completely optional on Jeffrey Dahmer's plate. His reasoning was also "but it's so delicious!"
 
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