Love the limerick, submitter. But why in the WORLD is the station held responsible for something criminal, when they edited OUT the racist comments!? - Wouldn't that be the same as holding the TV Station responsible, for using delayed live television (where you send 5 seconds later, in case of a sudden obsenity being spoken) to "protect" the masses from hearing the unwanted material!? - Seems the UK is also getting a little too serious on things like this. I mean, it is not as if the station can be held responsible for the Big Brother candidates making the comments. And if the comments are criminal, does it mean the station has to report it!?

There is this website called Fark
Who's lighters are mostly in the dark
Someone said Paki
People went whacky
And the whole PC thing is all WTF????

(*got nothing*)

Am I the only one who read "Paki" and immediately thought of the series "Life on Mars"?

That's racist.

Pete_T_Mann: Even though, it sounds like the reaction to this was ridiculous. Debated in houses of parliament and riots in India? Over some dumbasses on Big Brother? Jesus Christ, whats wrong with people.

if you have any spare time google/wiki the british national party, and the bradford race riots. infact i'll give you a head start; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Riot.

im sure most countries have issues with racism, but when its happening on the most popular show (at the time) on television then it cant just be ignored. and frankly i think the houses of parliament is a very appropriate place to discuss racism laws and decency issues.

That's racist.

GiantRobot: In the UK at least, it's a very racist word.

kilopane: The issue here is the particular meaning the term has in the British context

BenR: Paki' was used a lot by the racist arseholes at my British high school.

No Catchy Nickname: Yeah, in Britain the word "Paki" is not good.

pjc51: Might just be a British thing though.

lindseyp: it has become a derogatory term in the UK

kilopane: The racist connotations are only known in the UK.

Rohaq: Yes, Paki is racist in the UK.


/Some of these taken out of context.
//Still, one might get the impression that some other modern countries are still as intolerant as US, breathes sigh of relief, oh wait just the U.K? eh.. Ill take it..

jsmith1972

Seems the UK is also getting a little too serious on things like this.

The reason this particular case is being blown out of proportion is that it became a bit of an international incident:

"It has also led to demonstrations on the streets of India, where angry protestors burned placards and effigies of Big Brother organisers."

If it weren't for that I doubt it would've been taken as seriously as it was.

lindseyp: Actually, I don't recall 'paki' becoming racist until about 25 years ago. It might have been used in a racist sense but I used to use it all the time when I was a kid, as did everyone around me, with no racist overtone intended.

Maybe we were just ignorant.


Reminds me of the Brits and their food eating habits, where going for an Italian, an Indian, a Chinese etc are all pretty much routine. But with the Chinese, they also use, 'going for a Chinky' as well, and it's considered normal, despite the obvious racist overtones.


Brits can be pretty ignorant, I suppose.

What the hell? Is posting screwy for anyone else at the moment?

jsmith1972

They were held responsible for two reasons -
1. There was an investigation last year and they apparently hid some offensive, unbroadcast material.
2. They effectively had a duty of care over the people within the big brother house. The racially motivated harassment that was going on inside the house was illegal, they had a duty to stop it.

I guess it's like this - if one of the housemates beat up another one, broke his arm, did some proper damage, then channel 4 shouldn't have left the injured one bleeding in a corner and allowed the violent one to keep kicking him. Regardless of whether it was broadcast. More appropriate would be to intervene, stop the beating and consider calling the cops.

GungFu

But with the Chinese, they also use, 'going for a Chinky' as well, and it's considered normal, despite the obvious racist overtones.

I dunno about that one. It's fairly obvious that when someone says "I'm going for a chinky" they're referring to the food. Foodist overtones?

@binnster
I'm not so sure, part of the anger amongst the British "chattering classes" was because it's been a long hard slog to rid ourselves of the reputation of being institutional racists. This sort of behaviour from celebrities (who, like it or not, influence others) had the potential to set us back considerably. So, everyone over here wanted to make sure that the rest of the world knew that twats like Goody do NOT represent any part of us. We made a big fuss of it before anyone did in India.

I'm the man from Nantucket, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

/had to

I submitted a link earlier (insta-red, of course) about the Australian version of Big Brother where they've decided not to inform a contestant that her dad died of cancer last week. Hopefully Big Brother shows around the world are going to stir up enough controversy in the next few months to have the tired 'watch mundane people do mundane things' format shelved altogether.

binnster: GungFu

But with the Chinese, they also use, 'going for a Chinky' as well, and it's considered normal, despite the obvious racist overtones.

I dunno about that one. It's fairly obvious that when someone says "I'm going for a chinky" they're referring to the food. Foodist overtones?


It's obvious that they are going for food that is Chinese in origin because it's so common a term that people ignore the racist overtones.

gadget_uk

So, everyone over here wanted to make sure that the rest of the world knew that twats like Goody do NOT represent any part of us. We made a big fuss of it before anyone did in India.

Absolutely, but the politicians didn't get involved until things kicked off in India too.

binnster
IIRC, the viewing figures for the Big Brother where all this happened were very low until the racism thing started. Strange that all this suddenly comes out the week before the new series starts here.

GungFu: But with the Chinese, they also use, 'going for a Chinky' as well, and it's considered normal, despite the obvious racist overtones.

no, we dont. its not considered normal, its considered racist, hence we say 'lets get a chinese, or lets get chinese food'. i dunno where you pulled that one from but its certainly not representative of people i know. im not denying some people might say that, what im saying is that it *is* considered innappropriate language by most people.

do you live in the uk? or have uk friends? where did you come by this view?

dibs: GungFu: But with the Chinese, they also use, 'going for a Chinky' as well, and it's considered normal, despite the obvious racist overtones.

no, we dont. its not considered normal, its considered racist, hence we say 'lets get a chinese, or lets get chinese food'. i dunno where you pulled that one from but its certainly not representative of people i know. im not denying some people might say that, what im saying is that it *is* considered innappropriate language by most people.

do you live in the uk? or have uk friends? where did you come by this view?

I live in Hong Kong now, but I'm originally from Scotland.

All you have to do is look at Binnster's reply to my original post to see what I mean.

BenR

Strange that all this suddenly comes out the week before the new series starts here.

Ah f*ck. Next week? I'm sick of these mewling retards cluttering my TV schedule every year. I thought the first series was going to be a one off.

TexasIsBetter: //Still, one might get the impression that some other modern countries are still as intolerant as US, breathes sigh of relief, oh wait just the U.K? eh.. Ill take it..

It's mainly due to the the particular history of immigration to the UK and the actions of the BNP and National Front that have caused the term 'paki' to have the fairly unique connotations that it has in Britain. There's lots of other factors at work, such as unempolyment during the 80s and football hooliganism that have had unique influences on the racial tensions in the UK too. Without knowing any of this, it might seem rather odd.

dibs,GungFu
I can't say I've heard anyone use the term Chinky since I left school. Potentially GungFu, being in Hong Kong, only meets the British ex-pat community? From my experience, they're a fairly racist bunch.

dibs

no, we dont. its not considered normal, its considered racist, hence we say 'lets get a chinese, or lets get chinese food'.

Meh.

binnster

Now thats just crappy, why in the world would anyone do that

BenR: Strange that all this suddenly comes out the week before the new series starts here.

I think it's mainly due to the fact that they will have to broadcast the apology during the airing of the new series that has caused this to hit the headlines now.

BenR: dibs,GungFu
I can't say I've heard anyone use the term Chinky since I left school. Potentially GungFu, being in Hong Kong, only meets the British ex-pat community? From my experience, they're a fairly racist bunch.


Pretty much everyday language where I came from in Fife and Edinburgh.

But I know from one guy down in London who told me his friend from Leeds who said it all the time. The reason he mentioned it was that his friend is a huge Bruce Lee fan.

sweetlamb

Now thats just crappy, why in the world would anyone do that

To which post are you referring?

GungFu: I live in Hong Kong now, but I'm originally from Scotland.

All you have to do is look at Binnster's reply to my original post to see what I mean.

* high-fives the fellow jock ;) *

i guess i'm only representing Edinburgh and the people i know, but we wouldnt say 'going for a chinky', no way. Maybe this is the start of that phrase dying out, and in time it will just dissapear forever, hopefully. I suppose it was wrong of me to make a blanket statement like 'no we dont', when you clearly have evidence to the contrary.

Being an American,I assumed Jade Goody was attractive,since she's a reality TV whore. I certainly see the error of that rush to judgment.

/For anyone who is for whatever godless reason curious to see more,do yourself a favor and turn Safesearch on first.

GungFu

Pretty much everyday language where I came from in Fife and Edinburgh.

Yeah, I get the feeling this is a Scottish thing.

* high-fives the fellow jock ;) *

Oh no. Now I read that as "yellow jock". This thread is giving me the racistss'!

dibs 2007-05-25 05:58:13 AM

i guess i'm only representing Edinburgh and the people i know, but we wouldnt say 'going for a chinky', no way.

It's not just Edinburgh. We wouldn't say it either (in Surrey - okay, NZ now, but basically Surrey).

And in the UK, as was said earlier, Paki is as strong a n-----r. Very offensive.

dibs 2007-05-25 05:58:13 AM
i guess i'm only representing Edinburgh and the people i know, but we wouldnt say 'going for a chinky', no way.

It's not just Edinburgh. We wouldn't say it either (in Surrey - okay, NZ now, but basically Surrey).

And to other people, in the UK (as was said earlier) Paki is as strong a n-----r. Very offensive. It isn't a term used jokingly.

Oops. Not sure what happened there. Are some internets buggered?

binnster: GungFu

Pretty much everyday language where I came from in Fife and Edinburgh.

Yeah, I get the feeling this is a Scottish thing.

Er, now I'm confused...I thought you said....

dibs: * high-fives the fellow jock ;) *

i guess i'm only representing Edinburgh and the people i know, but we wouldnt say 'going for a chinky', no way. Maybe this is the start of that phrase dying out, and in time it will just dissapear forever, hopefully. I suppose it was wrong of me to make a blanket statement like 'no we dont', when you clearly have evidence to the contrary.


Always nice to see another Scot here. A'right, hoo you doin', big man!? : )

I think it's probably a social/ environmental thing, to be honest.
Growing up, I ran with a rough crowd, folks from Methil and there abouts, and when I moved to Edinburgh, I had mates from Niddrie and Craigmillar.

It was only after I left all that and went to college that I heard less of it. You'd hear it every now and then, but not as much as I used to when I was younger. Different crowd, different set of social values, I suppose.

I'm not making them to be outright racists, most of them weren't and were great guys, it's just the environment that we grew up in at that time when it was common usage.

As for now, I have no idea. Hopefully you're right about the dying out aspect.

Oh, of course the other reason that this makes the news is that Jade Goody is a stupid fat coont and deserves all the derision and hatred that can be poured on her.

Why? Why do people buy her farking autobiography or care what the fark she does and put her in magazines? She's an ugly fat farking retard.

GungFu: Always nice to see another Scot here. A'right, hoo you doin', big man!? : )

daein no bad eh, ken. pure at wurk the noo but meetin' muh pals later oan fur a few cheeky shots ae bucky n'a blether. ah'm chuffed tae fark that it's friday likes.

and im from corstorphine, so i can see why our relevant groups would've used slightly different language from each other. im living in Fife just now and can certainly see the difference in the way people talk.

Ok, so now the joke haydenarrrgh referred makes more sense....

/also didn't know 'paki' was racist.
//did know about 'jap', though it seems some 'merkins [*snicker*] don't consider it derogatory...

CommandantVonThrash

Jade Goody is an exceedingly ugly, manipulative, racist, media whore.

The only reason she is popular, is the same reason The Sun is the best selling newspaper in the UK. A large percentage of the British population are pig-thick shell suit wearing chavs that like to be drip fed mindless gossip.

Camel jockey has more teeth. Paki just sounds dumb. If your gonna make racist comments at least make them funny.

If Jade Goody has so much money why doesn't she use some of it for plastic surgery?

So if somebody calls me a "Germ", I should be offended?

/Dirka Dirka?

It's true; "Paki" is quite an offensive slur.

At the same time, if they shorten my nationality (Croatian), I'm a "Cro". Go ahead. Cro-Magnon. Oddly, I'm not offended.

/On Fark, however, that might make me CROxINxTHExWIND
//Kill whitey.

I didn't know "Paki" is racist in the UK but I know calling an Indian a "Paki" is a huge insult to them.

TexasIsBetter: Paki is racist? what if some European calls me a "merc'n" instead of the full name? International incident?

European?? American Farkers do that all the time!!

dibs: no, we dont. its not considered normal, its considered racist, hence we say 'lets get a chinese, or lets get chinese food'. i dunno where you pulled that one from but its certainly not representative of people i know. im not denying some people might say that, what im saying is that it *is* considered innappropriate language by most people.

I just go the full nine and say "I'm gonna get some go0k food."

In Glasgow we get round the whole issue by calling everyone "Jimmy", regardless of race or religion.

apart from the proddies.

The last line of the article:

"Big Brother has arranged for you to have a short conversation, off camera, with Steven, the psychologist."

/nanny state

Buckle up Kids!....We're on the "oh poor me, you hurt my feeling" Ride again.


/Anybody up for a wopburger?