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2007-05-23 09:02:18 AM
Lest anyone think it was a nuclear accident:

Unit 1 has had a troubled history. It came online in December 1973, but was shut down for a year after a fire caused major damage in 1975. The fire occurred when a worker was using a candle to check airflow through a temporary seal. The flame ignited the sealant, damaging cables related to the control of Unit 1.

Must be one of the mouthbreathers down in Sector 7-G.
 
2007-05-23 09:36:16 AM
submitter: Athens, AL all aglow over reopening of accident prone nuke plant

Feh...you want a nuclear accident??

And yes, my family lived pretty much next door to this...

We never even heard of this accident until a few years ago...and my dad had major thyroid problems...too bad we couldn't get into that class action suit...grrrr...
 
2007-05-23 10:15:12 AM
NikolaiFarkoff: The fire occurred when a worker was using a candle to check airflow through a temporary seal.

When I heard about this I was just amazed. Why were they using fire to do this check AND why the hell was the seal material flammable?

I just thought it was crazy.

Having said that... I'm pro nuke. We need more nuclear plants. The plant reopening is a GOOD thing.
 
2007-05-23 11:16:40 AM
Yessir, the South is gonna change. Everything's gonna be put on electricity and run on a payin' basis. Out with the old spiritual mumbo-jumbo, the superstitions and the backward ways. We're gonna see a
brave new world where they run everyone a wire and hook us all up
to a grid. Yessir, a veritable age of reason - like the one they had in
France - and not a moment too soon...
 
2007-05-23 12:18:02 PM
Honig the Apothecary 2007-05-23 11:16:40 AM

"O' Brother... " quote FTW!
 
2007-05-23 12:18:30 PM
LyleDAL: Having said that... I'm pro nuke. We need more nuclear plants. The plant reopening is a GOOD thing.

Hear, hear. Although you know we're gonna get flaminated by the anti-nukies.
 
2007-05-23 12:20:07 PM
Back in day, technicians used candles to check for air flow through the seal. Air flow draws the flame toward the opening. The flicker indicated a poor seal. The tech was too close, the flame was pulled into the seal and the rest is history. Dang, I am getting old.
 
2007-05-23 12:22:11 PM
"This is the newest old plant in the nation,"


Great logic there.
 
2007-05-23 12:24:11 PM
Penn & Teller's BS on the energy crisis last week talked a lot aboutnooclear energy saving America. Real good show.
 
2007-05-23 12:24:12 PM
i went fishing within a few hundred yards of there a couple of weeks ago.
wheeler lake(and the entire TN river chain) is an awsome place.
please don't screw it up, homer.


/yay for nukeyoular power
// boo for accidents
 
2007-05-23 12:24:36 PM
"We light up your life" - in more ways than one
 
2007-05-23 12:26:11 PM
I'm not optimistic. I looked it up and their safety inspectors name is H.J. Simpson.
 
2007-05-23 12:29:25 PM
Peak oil in the US has long since passed and it is thought that peak oil in the world occurred around 2004. Even if you don't believe that the supply curve has begun to decline, anyone with a modicum of common sense can see that the demand curve for oil is climbing fast as both India and China begin consuming more and more oil.

All of the being said, nuclear power is the only technology we currently have that is capable of shifting the consumption paradigm for electricity. It still doesn't address the fact that the number one consumer of oil is transportation, but it does give us some breathing space to address that problem before the worldwide economy is disrupted.

The only thing I don't understand is why our nuclear regulatory agency doesn't allow the style of reactor that France uses. They actually recycle their waste and use it to create more energy, although they do create plutonium 238 as a byproduct. I know this is the material that is used to create nuclear bombs, but I think it would be easier to protect than figuring out where to permanently store the nuclear waste material we are currently generating.
 
2007-05-23 12:33:15 PM
Thorsen: Peak oil in the US has long since passed

BORING

/glowing lolcats pics plzkthxbye
 
2007-05-23 12:34:42 PM
Hey you, stop being... so unsafe! Smitty! Safen up!
 
2007-05-23 12:38:13 PM
hockeyfarker

Peak Oil: lousy economics, but a dandy religion

/Brutha, thou art loosed!!!
 
2007-05-23 12:42:15 PM
Respect the Atom.

Don't split it.
 
2007-05-23 12:45:37 PM
Heck, how many nuclear accidents has the US Navy had? Not too many. Think there's a difference between underpaid civilians and sailors aboard ship?

What we really need are some ex-navy reactor techs.

Yes, we need Jimmy Carter!
 
2007-05-23 12:50:33 PM
The nuclear waste generated by an average nuke plant is far less volatile and numerous then the waste produced by our government for the pruporses of the Military Industrial Complex. Why doesn't anyone complain about that?
 
2007-05-23 01:02:18 PM
Anyone know if we have any pebble-bed reactors being built in 'muika? That's the kind of tech we need to be embracing and promoting.

Those coal promotion commercials the coal industry was sponsoring last year were farking disgusting.
 
2007-05-23 01:07:50 PM
My initial employment in the nuclear industry was a direct result of 2 things/

The Browns Ferry Fire and TMI.

Mostly Browns Ferry for me, I did a hell of a lot of fire protection work back in the day.

So in a way, that Browns Ferry fire has been berry berry guud to me.
 
2007-05-23 01:10:05 PM
LONG LIVE NUKE POWER!!! GIVE US MORE!!!!!

/plz?
 
2007-05-23 01:11:52 PM
Do What Now Question Mark: Hear, hear. Although you know we're gonna get flaminated by the anti-nukies.

I'm OK with that.

They can say whatever they want.

They will be wrong.
 
2007-05-23 01:31:37 PM
No form of power is perfectly safe.

The type of nuclear power plants that are used in the US are much safer than many other forms of energy, though.

More nuclear power is good.
 
2007-05-23 01:36:42 PM
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission authorized the restart May 15 after an inspection that consumed 30,000 staff hours. Refurbishing the nuclear plant took five years, 15 million man-hours and $1.8 billion

"Right now the predictions are that this unit can pay back its restart costs in four or five years," Beasley said. "The volatile cost of other fuels has made the payback much quicker."


WOW, just 4 or 5 years to make 1.8 billion dollars! Dam who did the referb work and are they going to do another one? I would love to invest in something like that.
 
2007-05-23 01:36:49 PM
FTA:
When on line, TVA said, Unit 1 will provide 1,155 megawatts of power.

Why not up the power by 55 megawatts? Then,
www.movieactors.com
would be impressed.
 
2007-05-23 01:36:59 PM
Won't someone think of the atoms?!?!?
 
2007-05-23 01:41:31 PM
I grew up in Athens. Pretty boring place to grow up and I am so glad to be out of there. I can't get completely away from the place though, since my parents, 2 brothers, and 2 grandparents live there...
 
2007-05-23 01:43:04 PM
Jubeebee ...Anyone know if we have any pebble-bed reactors being built in 'muika?..."

We have no nuke plants under construction in the U.S. Haven't had for decades. There are none even in the permitting stage right now but according to press releases, that may well change pretty soon. That's a good thing in my book.

The stupid legislature here in Vermont tried to pass a huge tax on Vermont Yankee, supposedly to fund research on alternative energy to reduce global warming. That's real smart, tax the crap out of the one major non-carbon dioxide producing electrical generation plant in the state in order to reduce global warming. Good thing the Gov. is going to axe it.
 
hsg
2007-05-23 01:48:09 PM
blog.starwreck.com
 
2007-05-23 01:48:23 PM
Okay, people, you're disappointing me. Not one "Nukes will kill us all! They're the end of the world!" post. I don't come to Fark for levelheaded discussion. Now let's have some flaming, and let's have it now!
 
2007-05-23 01:54:10 PM
Thorsen:
The only thing I don't understand is why our nuclear regulatory agency doesn't allow the style of reactor that France uses. They actually recycle their waste and use it to create more energy, although they do create plutonium 238 as a byproduct. I know this is the material that is used to create nuclear bombs...

Hate to say it, but you answered your own question. The U.S. nuclear power industry is having a hard enough time just trying to convince the NRC to open new light water nuclear plants, much less talk them into starting up reprocessing again. Might be a different world if the Three Mile Island incident (which when you really look at it, was not much of anything) had not occurred.

The government stopped reprocessing supposedly because they wanted to reduce proliferation - by halting additional production of Pu-238 - then they got on their high horse and told the rest of the world to follow suit. Naturally they all told us to DIAF, starting with France.

Nowadays the NRC requires cutting through a massive web of red tape and jumping through numerous flaming hoops before you can do anything, but one nice by-product of that is thatnooclear plants are incredibly safe and reliable now. I'd rather live next to one of them (releases steam and highly diluted effluents, chance of major accident is infinitesimal) than a fossil fuel plant (releases smoke, CO2, etc., chance of explosion involves a spark in the wrong place) any day.

/Bias disclaimer: Two degrees in nuclear engineering, working on a third
 
2007-05-23 01:55:17 PM
benmecha: Heck, how many nuclear accidents has the US Navy had?

I don't know about the Navy, but the US Army had a nasty one: SL-1 (1961).

"The water vapor caused a pressure wave to strike the top of the reactor vessel. This propelled the control rod and the entire reactor vessel upwards, which killed the operator who had been standing on top of the vessel, leaving him pinned to the ceiling"
 
2007-05-23 02:00:49 PM
mmontour

That one was nasty. The control rod went in between his legs and out his shoulder. Basically he was dangling from the ceiling with a control road straight through his body.

Hell of a way to die.
 
2007-05-23 02:02:12 PM
Evad
for a small town, Athens has more people from there ... I've accidently met people from Athens in Germany, England, Italy, DC - amazing how far you'll go to get away (or just get a job?)

/from Sheffield
// even fewer jobs
/// so I went AF
 
2007-05-23 02:04:12 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2007-05-23 02:04:44 PM
Say what you will about the south, we have the cheapest electricity rates in the nation. This will help keep it that way.

/power bill ranges from $25-$45 per mo.
 
2007-05-23 02:05:34 PM
Thorsen
The only thing I don't understand is why our nuclear regulatory agency doesn't allow the style of reactor that France uses. They actually recycle their waste and use it to create more energy, although they do create plutonium 238 as a byproduct. I know this is the material that is used to create nuclear bombs, but I think it would be easier to protect than figuring out where to permanently store the nuclear waste material we are currently generating

You can blame Greenpeace for that. Jimmy Carter signed a Presidential Directive in 1977 that essentially banned any fuel reprocessing in the United States. Now, the US is starting to look at it again, but don't expect to see the technology here anytime soon.

Jubeebee
Anyone know if we have any pebble-bed reactors being built in 'muika? That's the kind of tech we need to be embracing and promoting.

PBMR technology looks promising, but typically dosen't supply base-load levels of power that a light water reactor does. The highest PBMR power output that I've seen is 165 MW versus 600-1400MW for the current generation of light water reactors that are already out there.

I'm a big fan of supercritical light water reactors that use mixed oxide fuels, myself. Gets some plutonium bomb cores out of circulation, and provides even greater amounts of electrical output.

Face it, hippies. Nuke is coming back. Here's one farker that says it's about damned time.
 
2007-05-23 02:06:53 PM
forteblast: /Bias disclaimer: Two degrees in nuclear engineering, working on a third

Like them easy courses, dontcha?
 
2007-05-23 02:12:50 PM
My brain is on fire..in agony! Everyone is agreeing!!

Someone call Jane Fonda!
 
2007-05-23 02:28:55 PM
Evad

I noticed a funny glow about you
 
2007-05-23 02:33:30 PM
Of all the utility companies I've ever dealt with in my life, I have to say Alabama Power (and Southern Company in general) are by far the best. Not bad for a monopoly.
 
2007-05-23 02:42:37 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I thought Uranium 238 decayed into Plutonium 239. This in turn is just used as part of the fuel. It makes the reactor less stable in the later part of the fuel cycle but thats about it.
Unless you are talking about RBMKs and other breeder reactors in other countries.
 
2007-05-23 02:46:11 PM
Red Shirt Blues: My brain is on fire..in agony! Everyone is agreeing!!

Do all our threads have to lead to (psychological) blue cross and blue shield?

/hope y'all are taking notes.
 
2007-05-23 02:55:35 PM
Galen_Rasputin: WOW, just 4 or 5 years to make 1.8 billion dollars! Dam who did the referb work and are they going to do another one? I would love to invest in something like that.

ummm..it produces 1 gigawatt of power.
 
2007-05-23 03:01:02 PM
benmecha
Heck, how many nuclear accidents has the US Navy had? Not too many. Think there's a difference between underpaid civilians and sailors aboard ship?
What we really need are some ex-navy reactor techs.


You're right, the USN has a stellar safety record in nuclear power operation. About half of the staffing at commercial nuclear utilities are ex-navy nucs.

Yes, I'm ex-navy.
And yes, I work in a nuclear power plant today.

Dante hicks
Maybe it's just me, but I thought Uranium 238 decayed into Plutonium 239. This in turn is just used as part of the fuel. It makes the reactor less stable in the later part of the fuel cycle but thats about it.
Unless you are talking about RBMKs and other breeder reactors in other countries.


You're on the right track, but you have the details wrong. At the beginning of the fuel cycle, the power is produced by the U-235 in the core (about 3%). The other 97% of the uranium is U-238. U-235 is a good fuel for thermal (slow) neutrons, but U-238 is not. As neutrons fly in the reactor, some of them are absorbed by the U-238, which undergoes a neutron-proton reaction to become Np-239. Np-239 undergoes ß- decay to Pu-239 (half life of 2.117 days). Pu-239 is an excellent thermal fuel. By the end of the fuel cycle, almost all power is being produced by fission of Pu-239. But no, it doesn't make the fission reaction or the reactor unstable.

Did I just kill the thread?
 
2007-05-23 03:09:46 PM
Committee_For_Aesthetic_Deletions: Did I just kill the thread?

no but I think you skipped a step. the neutron absorbed by the U-238 makes it U-239 then it starts the decay chain to Pu-239 etc. I could be wrong however. A gis for "chart of nuclides" revealed some pretty cool stuff including http://www.nuclides.net/applets/radioactive_decay.htm
 
2007-05-23 03:12:44 PM
Committee_For_Aesthetic_Deletions: which undergoes a neutron-proton reaction to become Np-239.

oops i guess you didn't. i just can't read.
 
2007-05-23 03:14:21 PM
Ah, Brown's Ferry. I always wondered why a gig there paid 2x to 3x that of other nuke gigs.

/was happy at North Anna
 
2007-05-23 03:15:42 PM
brandent
It's all good. I'm just all up in this radiochemistry shiat. Got my technique down 'n' everythang.
 
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