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(Some Scientists)   Global warming will spread malaria, make flu season run all year, and put Richard Simmons in more shorts in more infomercials. Your dog wants a gin and tonic   (sciencedaily.com) divider line 93
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2007-05-23 09:37:15 AM  
"One of the first indicators of rising global temperatures could be malaria climbing mountains"

With Richard Simmons?
 
2007-05-23 09:47:19 AM  
Okay, then.

.
 
2007-05-23 10:44:24 AM  
This summer it's going to be hotter than it has been, all year long.

/Everybody Picnic
 
2007-05-23 10:46:42 AM  
screw the dog, i want a gin and tonic.
 
2007-05-23 10:48:41 AM  
img108.imageshack.us
 
2007-05-23 10:49:51 AM  
I'm Al Gore. I used to be the next president of the United States. Ha ha ha. (que the cricket sounds)
 
2007-05-23 10:50:13 AM  
mynameistim

screw the dog, i want a gin and tonic.


you screw the dog

/would not hit that
/dog has sharp paws
 
2007-05-23 10:50:25 AM  
mynameistim: screw the dog, i want a gin and tonic.

I'll take one of those too... Bombay?
 
2007-05-23 10:54:28 AM  
This needs to be required reading:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no1/reiter.htm

Sorry that I can't make it pop-- my plug-ins don't work at work for some reason.

I'd post the entire article, but it is quite long-- however, I definitely think you should read it. Malaria has always been with us, and between that and MDR Tuberculosis, we are really screwed. The biggest threat from malaria is not global warming causing it to spread, but lack of human intervention!
We could have wiped it out like smallpox, but noooooo, we had to go and ban DDT. Right now, drug-resistant malaria is making a resurgence, and uncontrolled illegal immigration, along with greater than ever world travel, is resulting in it popping up in the U.S.! Given enough time, it will spread here again, and then how will we stop it? What next, Dengue? Encephalitis? The list goes on.

The average life expectancy of a Briton living near swamp before 1900 was *25* years old, and the cause of death was MALARIA.
 
2007-05-23 10:55:11 AM  
BREAKING NEWS:
Bird flu hits South Florida trailer park-

i67.photobucket.com
 
2007-05-23 10:55:54 AM  
Global warming? Is that thing still around? Everyone knows that it's just the effect of daylight savings time.
 
2007-05-23 10:56:44 AM  
thespindrifter: We could have wiped it out like smallpox, but noooooo, we had to go and ban DDT.

DTD was never banned for anti-malarial usage. Read a book. A non-Michael-Crichton book.
 
2007-05-23 10:58:07 AM  
We need to kill off the 'skeeters or the bees, we can't do both.
 
2007-05-23 10:58:41 AM  
www.squeezeoc.com

Keeps getting warmer.
 
2007-05-23 10:58:54 AM  
I guess I forgot to clarify my main point--- even during the coldest periods in recorded human history, malaria was with us, sometimes as far north as the Arctic Circle. Global warming does not make it worse; lack of mosquito control does. Malaria always finds a way to thrive, if the carrier mosquito is present, and temperature has nothing to do with their presence or lack of, same as the parasite in question.
 
2007-05-23 11:01:12 AM  
KK [DDT] was never banned for anti-malarial usage. Read a book. A non-Michael-Crichton book.

Maybe not, but it was the most effective insecticide for that end, and the rest of the world followed the US in discontinuing its use. DDT is rarely used anywhere, and there are a LOT of places that NEED to use it!
 
2007-05-23 11:01:29 AM  
This just in: We all gon' die.

Carry on.
 
2007-05-23 11:02:01 AM  
thespindrifter and uncontrolled illegal immigration, along with greater than ever world travel, is resulting in it popping up in the U.S.!

I assume you're talking about all those illegally immigrating mosquitos? Cause last I heard, Mexicans didn't necessarily carry malaria...

/idgit
 
2007-05-23 11:03:59 AM  
thespindrifter: Malaria always finds a way to thrive, if the carrier mosquito is present, and temperature has nothing to do with their presence or lack of, same as the parasite in question.

Right. The global warming connection is that warmer temperatures allow mosquitoes to live farther north than they otherwise would.

Also, if you think you're seeing an increase in malaria cases in the US, it's due to increased travel to malaria-rife places and better reporting, not a resurgence of malaria in US mosquitoes (see).

/Someone needs to work on reading comprehension
 
2007-05-23 11:04:18 AM  
Yeah, like, what thespindrifter said. There's, like, mosquitos in all kinds of climates.

It's Polar Bear Malaria that you gotta look out for.
 
2007-05-23 11:06:50 AM  
And while we're at it, could we please stop using illegal immigration as a catch-all reason for things happening? It's just starting to sound tired.

Can't we blame the Krauts or something? Or the Prussians?

/I was gonna go to the store today, but those damn Krauts are making it too malaria-y outside!
 
2007-05-23 11:07:02 AM  
After South Africa stopped using DDT in 1996, the number of malaria cases in KwaZulu Natal province rose from 8,000 to 42,000 cases. By 2000, there had been an approximate 400% increase in malaria deaths. Today, after the reintroduction of DDT, the number of deaths from malaria in the region is less than 50 per year. South Africa could afford and did try newer alternatives to DDT, but they proved less effective.[18] Uganda also began permitting the use of DDT in anti-malarial efforts, despite a threat that its agricultural exports to Europe could be banned if they were contaminated with DDT.[69] The Ugandan government has stated that it cannot achieve its development goals without first eliminating malaria. The GDP shows a striking correlation between malaria and poverty, where malaria is estimated to reduce per capita growth by 1.3 percent per annum.[70]

Malaria cases increased in South America after countries in that continent stopped using DDT. Only Ecuador, which has continued to use DDT, has seen a reduction in the number of malaria cases in recent years.[10] Other mosquito-borne diseases are also on the rise. Until the 1970s, DDT was used to eradicate the Aedes aegypti mosquito from most tropical regions of the Americas. The reinvasion of Aedes aegypti since has brought devastating outbreaks of dengue fever, dengue hemorrhagic fever, and a renewed threat of urban yellow fever.[71]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Effectiveness_against_Malaria


Only Libs who hate to admit they were wrong would claim banning DDT was a good idea. "Silent Spring" set us back a couple of million people.

There are other factors that come into play NOW 40 years after the book, mosquito resistance and other safer chemical agents, BUT THERE IS NO DENYING the idea to limit DDT was wrong, just like the argument against phosphates and Silicon Breast implants were false.

/Silly alarmist Libs.
 
2007-05-23 11:07:52 AM  
ahelm36 I assume you're talking about all those illegally immigrating mosquitos? Cause last I heard, Mexicans didn't necessarily carry malaria...

Last time I checked, Mexicans aren't the only illegal immigrants, tard. Check any lowland farm area, and you will find all sorts of migrant illegals who brought their health problems with them; Guatemalans, Panamanians, Nicaraguans, et cetera. Oh, and the Illegal Rus and Chinese who are here in record numbers carry the MDR Tuberculosis; one in three people on earth is a carrier of TB, one in ten, the MDR variety. The problem with illegals is that there is no way to track the progress of the disease or do follow-up, because they avoid "authority" at all costs, and that includes some of the very people who would like to help them, both for themselves, and to halt the spread to the rest of us.
 
2007-05-23 11:08:40 AM  
thespindrifter: Maybe not, but it was the most effective insecticide for that end, and the rest of the world followed the US in discontinuing its use. DDT is rarely used anywhere, and there are a LOT of places that NEED to use it!

That's not true. DDT is still used some places, but it was largely discontinued because interior spraying is expensive and short-lived--in poor countries with little infrastructure or reliable bureaucracy, it's hard to make sure people will get their houses resprayed every month. It's far cheaper, and has a far better bang for the buck, to simply give them mosquito netting to put up.

Nobody "followed the US" in this--the US stopped using it because the US doesn't have a malaria problem. USAID never stopped funding DDT programs, other than for the aforementioned practical reasons. DDT was never banned.

This is a myth that stems solely from Michael Crichton and Steven Milloy*, and has no basis in fact.

* And I'm willing to bet you got it directly from one of these two people.
 
2007-05-23 11:09:33 AM  
jbar19: Only Libs who hate to admit they were wrong would claim banning DDT was a good idea. "Silent Spring" set us back a couple of million people.

DDT was never banned. Jesus Christ. Even the Wikipedia article says that.
 
2007-05-23 11:09:54 AM  
You know, I take it back. I'm wrong.

Why should we waste our time arguing on this silly web site.

I am wrong and I am changing my ways and voting Democrat.

Please ignore my previous wiki-based post.

/I love big brother.
 
2007-05-23 11:12:31 AM  
KK not a resurgence of malaria in US mosquitoes..

Give it time. The mosquitoes in question have been found in Florida and Texas on numerous occasions; if you read the article I linked, you would see that in the past, malaria was carried by NON-tropical mosquitoes in the past, and there is nothing to say it won't happen again. Hell, no-one is even sure that the old variety is extinct; we just haven't had enough cases to know for sure.

Nature will find a way. it always does.

/Never read the MC book you refer to, either.
 
2007-05-23 11:14:26 AM  
jbar19:

There's nothing wrong with calling someone an alarmist when you think they are being one, but when you pretend only "Libs" are alarmist, you look like a fool. The current neocon regime has been the most alarmist group to ever fark this country up, so give it a rest.
 
2007-05-23 11:15:10 AM  
DDT was never banned

De Facto. Might as well have been, from the way it was viewed after "Silent Spring".
 
2007-05-23 11:15:25 AM  
Look, to clear this up:

* DDT was always available for use against malaria, but there are also many alternatives available now [1].
* DDT does have negative health effects in humans[2]
* DDT is still used against malaria, with the support of WHO and the UN [3]
* Rachel Carson is not a government or international organization (no citation needed, right?)

This argument is stupid. I'm going to work.
 
2007-05-23 11:16:00 AM  
thespindrifter: De Facto. Might as well have been, from the way it was viewed after "Silent Spring".

That's like saying that New Kids On The Block were "banned" because everyone viewed them as bad musicians.
 
2007-05-23 11:16:12 AM  
thespindrifter Oh, and the Illegal Rus and Chinese who are here in record numbers carry the MDR Tuberculosis; one in three people on earth is a carrier of TB, one in ten, the MDR variety

I won't dispute your numbers, but I will dispute their application. One in three is a carrier of TB? Ok, kinda high, but ok. One in ten, the MDR. But that's one in ten from the one in three, not on ein ten of all people on Earth. Work the math, and you've got a very statistically insignificant number of people. Not to mention the fact that TB is fairly hard to communicate (and before anyone flames me on that, I'm talking when compared to common cold and/or flu. You have to be exposed for quite a while in close quarters to get infectious level TB, and then let it go a long time without antiobiotic treatment for it to get serious)

/of course, if you must, PANIC
//by all means, please
 
2007-05-23 11:19:17 AM  
thespindrifter: /Never read the MC book you refer to, either.

The Michael Crichton book, you mean? You're seriously arguing that this fiction work is a legitimate bit of scientific research?1

Oh, I forgot. It has footnotes.2 Of course.3 4

1: Michael Crichton is a farking hack. I never liked his novels back when he wasn't grinding a political ax.
2: Because if you use footnotes, you're clearly right.
3: You're an idiot.
4: I have to go to work now. fark off and read some real science.
 
2007-05-23 11:21:12 AM  
jbar19: /I love big brother.

So now someone who actually did a little non-Wiki reading (oh, sorry, I forgot--the encyclopedia that anyone can edit is the most reliable source of fact) is "big brother?"

Wow. Talk about a persecution complex. You must cry yourself to sleep when Big Brother causes the local Micky D's to run out of McMuffins in the morning, eh? Damn Libs!

/You're a caricature; you know that?
 
2007-05-23 11:23:14 AM  
of course, if you must, PANIC

Go back and look at the history of what these diseases did to the world; life expectancy of 25?? MDR on the rise? NO One doing anything about it? Good reason to panic, in a small way. This isn't about being alarmist-- it is about being aware, and making someone do something about it before we are all staring a pandemic in the face.
 
2007-05-23 11:24:17 AM  
That was some of the most rampant speculation and conjecture I've ever seen in a "science" journal.
 
2007-05-23 11:26:17 AM  
Speaking of Michael Crichton, he's a real dick sometimes, eh?
 
2007-05-23 11:28:10 AM  
i185.photobucket.com
Too warm for clothes...
 
2007-05-23 11:31:28 AM  
Just reading some other headlines today....

Colorado mountains under Memorial Day snow advisory, up to 8 inches expected...

S Africa sets 54 cold weather records as snow and ice continue...

/Global Warming.....Not so much.
 
2007-05-23 11:31:32 AM  
wantyou2wantme: Too warm for clothes...

www.fantastik.com
We need the eye bleach.
 
2007-05-23 11:32:03 AM  
wantyou2wantme

I am so traumatized right now
 
2007-05-23 11:32:12 AM  
KK thespindrifter: /Never read the MC book you refer to, either.

The Michael Crichton book, you mean? You're seriously arguing that this fiction work is a legitimate bit of scientific research?1


Dude, what the phark are you ranting about? I very plainly (and you even quoted it!) stated I did NOT read that book! So why are you acting like I somehow endorse it? Are you DAFT?

Go ahead, run along to work.... and while you are there, work on your reading comprehension.

Just for the record: While I don not endorse Michael Crichton's book, he is for the record a PhD, which may not make him an expert on global warming, but I sure as hell bet it makes him far more educated than you. It may not make him right, but if you are going to call a man with a better education, career, and life than yourself a hack, you just totally disqualified yourself from further comments being taken seriously.

Congrats on being the first person in five years of Farking whom I have ever comment-blocked.
 
2007-05-23 11:33:23 AM  
stimersrus: /Global Warming.....Not so much.

Gosh. What a wonderful argument. Localized temperature lows imply global temperatures are not rising! You should teach your theory to climatologists everywhere!

I thought the new claim was that the climate is changing, but it's because of sunspots and GCRs. Your party line is out of date.
 
2007-05-23 11:34:32 AM  
thespindrifter: Dude, what the phark are you ranting about? I very plainly (and you even quoted it!) stated I did NOT read that book! So why are you acting like I somehow endorse it? Are you DAFT?

Whoops. I misread your sentence. Sorry about that.

I sure as hell bet it makes him far more educated than you.

Not likely. He's pretty clueless.

a man with a better education, career, and life than yourself

You're making a lot of assumptions about me based on, uh, nothing.
 
2007-05-23 11:35:44 AM  
stimersrus Colorado mountains under Memorial Day snow advisory, up to 8 inches expected...

That's not unusual here at all. It's not unusual for the mountains to be under snow advisory well into June. About ten years ago, I was caught in a snow storm on the 4th of July.

Unusual snow was the snow we got right before Christmas, two feet in 24 hours. And another foot a week later, and another foot a week after that. That usually doesn't happen until March or April.
 
2007-05-23 11:36:33 AM  
thespindrifter: he is for the record a PhD,

No, he's not. He's an MD.
 
2007-05-23 11:36:49 AM  
Drink up children!!! The Kool-aid is just fine.
 
2007-05-23 11:37:51 AM  
i26.photobucket.com
 
2007-05-23 11:41:09 AM  
Malaria was almost wiped off of the face of the earth untill they banned DDT. Luckily we brought it back from the brink of extinction with our wise use of scare tactics.
 
2007-05-23 11:41:30 AM  
step 3: PROFIT.


Linkwell Corp: Micro cap stock. Makes disenfectant for hospitals in China. One of 2 Companies approved by the Chinese govt. Flu/sars/bird flu ... trading at .2. Profits up 200% each of the last 2 quarters....
 
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