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(AJR)   American Journalism Review says reporters could learn a lot from "The Daily Show," primarily being honest   ( ajr.org) divider line
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2007-05-22 05:36:21 PM  
Was the Ironic tag on a coffee break?
 
2007-05-22 05:38:12 PM  
"There are days when I watch 'The Daily Show,' and I kind of chuckle. There are days when I laugh out loud. There are days when I stand up and point to the TV and say, 'You're damn right!'"

"There are days when I say, 'The elves are attacking me! Help!'"
 
2007-05-22 05:41:57 PM  
And secondly, how to spell a lot.
 
2007-05-22 05:43:05 PM  
They could learn Bitter 101.

/Stewart hasn't been funny in years.
//Colbert has taken up his tremendous slack.
 
2007-05-22 05:44:43 PM  
MikeyistheDevil: /Stewart hasn't been funny in years.
//Colbert has taken up his tremendous slack.


QFT
 
2007-05-22 05:46:40 PM  
My favorite interview of late is when he pwned McCain. Rubbed every inconvienient fact that he constantly ignores, and avoids in his two faced ... face.

/Daily Show Rules
 
2007-05-22 05:48:14 PM  
Holy_Juan: And secondly, how to spell a lot.

Good catch. Has been fixed, too.
 
2007-05-22 05:50:58 PM  
Oh here we go.

Bring on the 'Daily Show has sucked for years', 'The Simpsons hasn't been funny for years' people
 
2007-05-22 05:51:17 PM  
Eh, i still think Jon's doing a great job. it's obvious he has changed some, but it's just a little more mature


colbert is a totally different breed of genius.
 
2007-05-22 05:51:25 PM  
If I had cable TV, I'd watch Daily Show all the time.

Still, it's sad to me that young people get their news mostly from the Daily Show. It should be a supplement to learning about current events, not the foundation.
 
2007-05-22 05:53:27 PM  
Cue laaaaaame war between Jon fanboys and people that have decided The Daily Show is passe or not funny anymore.

/It's still funny
//He's not the second coming
///Colbert plays a pundit, Stewart an anchor, stop comparing
 
2007-05-22 05:54:06 PM  
It should be a supplement to learning about current events, not the foundation.

I think the interweb fills in the cracks for most. The news networks are just a bunch of crap. Constant spin, not enough truthiness.
 
2007-05-22 05:54:51 PM  
Whatever your ideological differences with TDS, they excel at one thing in particular: They Get The VIDEO!

Last night, it was Gonzalez directly contradicting himself about the role of his deputy in the firings.

Spin it all you want.
 
2007-05-22 05:55:02 PM  
Daily Show honest?

I guess if making things up, misrepresenting things, and poking fun at something without providing all the facts is their idea of honesty, sure.
 
2007-05-22 05:55:05 PM  
I wish my paper would let me mimic the Daily Show.

And by that, I mean be really snarky when it comes to some of the idiotic stories and stupid people I have to cover.

Alas.....

/local news reporter
//thinks national news reporters have let us down
///not enough people can separate the different mediums of the media. We're not all the same, you know
 
2007-05-22 05:55:12 PM  
Egalitarian 2007-05-22 05:51:25 PM

Still, it's sad to me that young people get their news mostly from the Daily Show. It should be a supplement to learning about current events, not the foundation.


You've got that right. Half the jokes wouldn't even make sense if you hadn't read the actual news.
 
2007-05-22 05:57:28 PM  
randomjsa I guess if making things up, misrepresenting things, and poking fun at something without providing all the facts is their idea of honesty, sure.

No no, you've got it all backwards. If Jon makes mistakes, then Jon is simply stretching things for the sake of comedy. When he doesn't make mistakes, he's telling it like it is.

/Is tired of Jon Stewart fanboys
 
2007-05-22 05:57:33 PM  
/Stewart hasn't been funny in years.

I think he's funny when he isn't mugging for the camera and sticks to the script. Also, while The Daily Show may take shots at both sides of the aisle, it's uncomfortably clear who the studio audience is -- young, classless, rabid Democratic cheerleaders. They boo Republican guests. It's embarrassing.

That said, I still really, really enjoy The Daily Show, even with its flaws.
 
2007-05-22 05:57:47 PM  
FTFA: "The "Daily Show" satirizes spin, punctures pretense and belittles bombast."

Ugh. You're not in high school English class anymore, Smolkin.
 
2007-05-22 05:57:47 PM  
Slightly off-topic.... I enjoy the Daily Show and all, but the worship has to stop or I am gonna leave the next aggressive fan where I find him.

For the record, satire is always easier than creating an original subject. In satire your vehicle is already done for you. Any good satirist will tell you that.

Try this: sit down and write a screenplay mocking typical fantasy tropes. Bring in all the trappings you are used to and call it Bored of These Things or something. Have a drunk Gandalf or a Tin Man made of aluminum foil or whatever.

THEN....

Try writing an equally engaging original fantasy screenplay.

After you quickly learn which one was harder and why, sit down and watch television, a bit wiser in your knowledge that half of the stories on the Daily Show write themselves and were halfway to funny without the efforts of the writer.

And yes the remaining 50% that the shows writer's put in is very good and they should be commended. But not worshipped.
 
2007-05-22 05:58:28 PM  
"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you're misinformed." - Mark Twain
 
2007-05-22 06:00:12 PM  
I like JS, vote democrat, etc... but

Stewart didn't pwn McCain, McCain did it to himself. McCain is still unwilling to speak honestly about the war and why he wants to make the case that we should stick around. Stewart acted like a partisan punk and implied that there's nothing we can do to stop the civil war that we've uncorked. That's not a good lefty position, leaving poor Iraqis to their own devices just to prove how much we hated our entry into this conflict. There's a lot of room for benchmarks and transitions and whatever, but I hated that Stewart said that there's nothing we can do in Iraq now.

Our presence there matters. What we do now still matters. We may have to revise our definition of 'win' in a pretty drastic sense, and it would be lovely if regular Americans gained a little skepticism about the way Bush used their patriotism to blinker their good sense, but I think it's dangerous to imply that the whole thing is screwed as badly as it can be. It isn't. Things can get much worse if we're not careful.

Yes, it would still be Bush's fault. But unless someone puts this thing onto some course that leads to an acceptable outcome for the US, we're going to have blown credibility on something that screws us in the long term. And kills tons of Iraqis in the short term.

It's good that we've come around to the idea that the war was a mistake. And we can all continue to punish dudes like McCain for giving Bush cover when we should have been changing course 2 years ago. But McCain getting schooled on TV fixes nothing.
 
2007-05-22 06:00:45 PM  
"Sometimes conventional journalism makes it difficult for a journalist to say what he or she really thinks about an incident.

Because the left wing mainstream media is filled with morons with microphones and they all think the same damned thing which is nothing at all, they just parrot the party line. Nobody wants to hear some empty suit with a $400 hair "style" give their analysis of a news event. Stand up and read the teleprompter without mispronouncing too many multisyllabic words. If I want to know what they "think" I'll read it off of kos or democratic underground. Any claims for the Daily Show go right out the window when they have Democrats on. Especially Kerry, he got nothing but soft balls and Stewart did everything but kneel down and blow him on the spot. Which is undoubtedly how Stewart got the job in the first place after Kilborn left.
 
2007-05-22 06:01:31 PM  
John Stewart is a laugh riot. I hate his Yiddish bits, but he does well otherwise. The Daily Show is pretty well the only TV show I make time to watch anymore.
 
2007-05-22 06:02:56 PM  
I had to give a speech about politics for a Communications class. I used the Daily Show as a reference, when Stuart was interviewing Carol Mosley-Braun. (Smart woman. Knowledgeable, sensible, practical. I could vote for her.) My instructor laughed out loud during my speech when I mentioned the source of the interview. Good times.
 
2007-05-22 06:03:37 PM  
"Sometimes conventional journalism makes it difficult for a journalist to say what he or she really thinks about an incident.

But more often, journalists make it difficult for journalists to say what he or she really thinks about an incident.

/Looks at Dan Rather, and the documents that everyone knows are fake except for a few loyal holdouts.
 
2007-05-22 06:06:20 PM  
And yes the remaining 50% that the shows writer's put in is very good and they should be commended. But not worshipped.

Think of a really good parody - say, "Shawn of the Dead", and a really bad parody, say, "Epic Movie".

That 50% is tough. Kudos to the daily show peeps for being consistently funny.
 
2007-05-22 06:06:57 PM  
I watch the Daily Show but usually switch channels when they do interviews.

Stewart just doesn't do balanced interviews. He states his opinion (which is, admittedly, often very poignant) and cuts his guests off over and over again. I forgot who it was, but I think he was interviewing one of Bush's speech writers or something and the guy I think said 3 complete sentences.

Good for Stewart, but not exactly unbiased.

/just because they're on your side, doesn't mean you have to pretend they're playing fair.
 
2007-05-22 06:10:16 PM  
OscarTamerz: Because the left wing mainstream media is filled with morons with microphones and they all think the same damned thing which is nothing at all, they just parrot the par...blah blah blah


You'll get over it.
 
2007-05-22 06:10:45 PM  
razordu30: you have to pretend they're playing fair.

hmmm...i guess it depends on what you consider fair.

all viewpoints are not created equally. if somebody is spewing bullshiat, i don't think saying 'hey, that's bullshiat' is exactly unfair.

if anything, i'd say that's a hell of a lot of what's wrong with journalism in this country...there's a push to present 'both sides' on subjects where there either 50 sides...or objective clear cut facts that make one of the proffered 'sides' absolutely irrelevant.
 
2007-05-22 06:10:48 PM  
OscarTamerz

Any claims for the Daily Show go right out the window when they have Democrats on. Especially Kerry, he got nothing but soft balls and Stewart did everything but kneel down and blow him on the spot. Which is undoubtedly how Stewart got the job in the first place after Kilborn left.

He's generally polite to most big name guests. He had a very nice interview with Andrew Card. OTOH, he made fun of Howard Dean. Which Republican interviewees has he treated badly?

He definitely has leanings, but is usually has facts to back it up. And, as I said earlier, they repeatedly get the contradictory videos of this adminstration lying. Sorry the facts are biased.
 
2007-05-22 06:12:07 PM  
well, that and the fact that journalism consumers seem all too happy to swallow entertainment items as 'news'.
 
2007-05-22 06:13:07 PM  
Colbert is the CSI Miami of fake news. Jon Stewart has the good shiat on lockdown.
 
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2007-05-22 06:13:37 PM  
That was long.

/didn't read past the second page
 
2007-05-22 06:15:23 PM  
Like it has been mentioned, Stewart does not do balanced interviews. Is that his fault ? hard to say. You have to work with the material presented to you.

a lot of right-leaning guests are truly their own parodies, and thus the interview pretty much rights itself, he just has to execute proper comedy timing.

left-leaning guests typical suffer an excess of vanity. It takes a Colbert to rake someone's vanity for comedy. Right-leaning guests often have inconsistent world views. That's rich comedy for Stewart.
 
2007-05-22 06:16:42 PM  
Too long, Clanky, too long!

Sheesh, another thing they should learn from The Daily Show is that the more you repeat the same thing in a different manner, the stupider you look. They CONSTANTLY make fun of politicians who do that.
 
2007-05-22 06:16:59 PM  
OscarTamerz

You missed the ones with John McCain and Rick Santorum, didn't you? Extremely polite to both. He was even soft on Bolton.

Hell, he poured tea for Pervez Musharraf.
 
2007-05-22 06:19:06 PM  
Left-wing Rachel Smolkin loves the "Daily Show." My, that certainly IS quite a piece of news...

What's next? How about "Rosie O'Donnell: More food should be like the BK Big Stacker!"
 
2007-05-22 06:19:24 PM  
Damn! Trying to be erudite and misplaced an apostrophe.

Correction: "And yes the remaining 50% that the show's writers put in is very good and they should be commended. But not worshipped."
 
2007-05-22 06:19:51 PM  
Lebowski78
My favorite interview of late is when he pwned McCain. Rubbed every inconvienient fact that he constantly ignores, and avoids in his two faced ... face.
/Daily Show Rules


and then proceeded to literally lick John Kerry's ass. TDS is a left wing news program presented with a comedy edge. The fact that some "journalist", especially from the AJR, would think that is how the rest of the media should act is not a surprise.
 
2007-05-22 06:20:10 PM  
I read this same article earlier today and it reminded me of something my advisor said during History class. He asked the class where they got their news (FARK was mentioned) and TDS was the second source named. Prof. Sadowsky said TDS is the best source of news ON TELEVSION. He emphasized this last part strongly, noting that print sources tend to leave TV in the dust, but that a half-hour comedy show was giving info as well as the "real" TV news shows - not so much a compliment of TDS but a scathing review of the other shows.

Seriously, part of what makes TDS funny is the juxtaposition of video clips. I have to wonder how amazingly on-the-ball their video archavist is and how lacking the one for the "real" news is, or SEEMS to be - so many times I wish the talking head would call BS and show Politician X saying one thing follwed by an earlier clip of them saying the opposite. Is it really that hard?

/Loves TDS/TCR
//Knows they have a bias just like everyone does.
///They at least try to be "fair and balanced."
////Sometimes thinks Jon gives interview subjects too much slack.
 
2007-05-22 06:21:39 PM  
Stewart is still funny, just not as funny as he was. In 2002-2005 was the golden years. After stephen, steven, and a few other correspondants left the show went down hill. He still has his moments though, so its watchable. But stephen colbert is friggen hillarious.
 
2007-05-22 06:22:24 PM  
bikerific Which Republican interviewees has he treated badly?

Beyond McCain (which Stewart said later didn't go at all the way he wanted because McCain just shut down and that's not interesting or helpful at all), I think Republican interviewees are not on level ground on the show because of the hostile audience. Yes, Jon generally gladhands any big name guest regardless of political affiliation, but the audience is extremely partisan, and no political guest comes on without being distinctly aware of that. No one wants to get booed and you can see Republican guests try to frame their views in ways so that doesn't happen.

How many times have you heard Jon have to say "Settle down, settle down" to the audience?
 
2007-05-22 06:27:29 PM  
fasborb

How many times have you heard Jon have to say "Settle down, settle down" to the audience?

Doesn't that undercut claims of bias against Jon? Heck, for his John Bolton interview he practically lectured the audience in advance about behaving.
 
2007-05-22 06:27:40 PM  
fosborb: Beyond McCain

it's worth noting that was...what...the 10th time mccain had been on the show?

he received plenty of ass licking prior to that appearance...just sorta seems to be forgotten.


i don't think john stewart is the person to do it (again, most folks don't seem to recognize...if the daily show is ripping *anybody* a new ass night after night, it's mainstream american tele-journalism), but it wouldn't bother me one iota if more reporters/TV show hosts approached their interviewees in a similar manner. i don't care who is sitting in the guest chair...if they're spouting blatant bullshiat, stating 'hey, that's bullshiat' would be a welcome addition to the landscape, at least so far as i can reckon.
 
2007-05-22 06:29:18 PM  
yeah that article was SO LONG and seemed to address a topic, proceed to another, then go back. arg!

and the point of the article was basically to say that:

Reporters are fixated on being objective, but lack the insight to put the stories into their larger context or to determine when they are being "fed" their stories

Whereas the Daily show is not fixated on being objective, so it does a better job pointing out things like motivations and agenda behind the "good reasons" (bullshiat).

TDS can basically skip part 1, the reporting, which is done for them, and they can do plain analysis. This is why you can't really appreciate TDS without knowing the actual stories first (part 1); watching "TDS" is not about "getting news"

The author puts too much on TDS being "fake news" when it is more about news analysis, in plain language, without mincing words and without the sychophant-pundit-confederate-shills that clog the airwaves

/oops too long! arg!
 
2007-05-22 06:29:22 PM  
OscarTamerz

You either don't watch the show, or you're just seeing it the way you want to. Your opinion isn't in the same ballpark as reality there fella.

If you want people to take you seriously you should shoot closer to the mark. You just made my wingnut pile.
 
2007-05-22 06:29:44 PM  
randomjsa: I guess if making things up, misrepresenting things, and poking fun at something without providing all the facts is their idea of honesty, sure.

no..it's their idea of comedy. it just so happens that at this point, the truth is so ridiculous, they can usually get away with just reporting that with a clever quip at the end.
 
2007-05-22 06:30:06 PM  
Honesty is the most important factor in journalism - once you can fake that, you've got it made...
 
2007-05-22 06:30:25 PM  
Because the left wing mainstream media blah blah blah

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