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(Sporting News)   MLB bargain players that perform like the big money guys should. Daisuke Matsuzaka, they're talking about you   (sportingnews.com) divider line 71
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2007-05-17 01:23:24 PM
Bargain? Exsqueeze me? Baking powder?
 
2007-05-17 01:24:15 PM
Plus the subby may not have read the article -

"Big bucks, mixed results -

Daisuke Matsuzaka, RHP, Red Sox
six years, $103.1 million (includes posting fee)
It may be unfair to expect him to live up to the hype, but an ERA better than 4.80 would be nice."
 
2007-05-17 01:26:05 PM
Um... has everyone missed the fact that Dice-K has given up one run in his last 16 innings? Including a complete game 1-run outing against one of the best hitting teams in the league???
I know NO ONE is worth $100 million - but putting him on this list and in this article kind of shows that the writer (and subby) may not really be all that current w/ his baseball knowledge.
 
2007-05-17 01:26:29 PM
robsul82

I think subby is saying that Matsuzaka needs to earn his keep. I still say he's a long term investment - I don't think anyone in the organization seriously expected him to be totally lights out right off the bat. We'll see what he looks like at the end of the year.
 
2007-05-17 01:29:33 PM
Ahhh, I see what you mean. Well, if that's so, all apologies.
 
2007-05-17 01:31:31 PM
Dice K is 5-2. about right for a high paid pitcher.
I wish the Padres had him.
 
2007-05-17 01:40:05 PM
It may be unfair to expect him to live up to the hype, but an ERA better than 4.80 would be nice.

Holy shiat, an ERA argument based on 54 innings of data? Is that really the best you can do? 5/8 starts have been quality thus far. That's one more than that Santana guy you might have heard of. Matsuzka's had 2 bad starts... TWO!!!
 
2007-05-17 01:43:02 PM
What a terrible article. TSN just sucks these days...
 
2007-05-17 01:43:33 PM
Kei Igawa, LHP, Yankees
five years, $46 million (includes posting fee)
He's so bad he wasn't able to stay in one of the AL's weakest rotations.

^ We have a winner
 
2007-05-17 01:45:48 PM
A quality knock on Igawa, I must say.
 
2007-05-17 01:48:58 PM
Dice-K's ERA and record are right on track with what I expected. Next year he will be lights out. The Yankees still wish they had him.

/I was at the complete game.
//Under the Budweiser sign
///Unfortunately drinking Budweiser
 
2007-05-17 01:53:54 PM
I think I'd rather have one Daisuke Matsuzaka than 1.86 Kei Igawas for the same annual cost (posting fees included.)

/In fairness, I don't know how much good .86 Kei Igawas would be.
//Maybe they could remove a leg.
///He could still pitch, right?
 
2007-05-17 02:09:52 PM
Josh Hamilton seems to be AWOL from this list.
us.news2.yimg.com
Best thing $50,000 cash and the league minumum can buy.
 
2007-05-17 02:19:34 PM
Wow, what a worthless article. Basically all it says is "a lot of young guys who aren't yet making a lot of money are really good." These are probably the same guys who, once they're eligible, will sign ten-figure contracts that they won't live up to.
 
2007-05-17 02:20:29 PM
The Yankees stink - and they pay their players a lot from what I understand about professional baseball.
Dice K is on the best team in baseball, and is 5-2. They are called growing pains, and they are the best sitcoms of all times.
 
2007-05-17 02:21:52 PM
Dice-K's ERA and record are right on track with what I expected. Next year he will be lights out.

Not quite sure where this logic comes from. So many people saying how much better he will be next year. Yeah, ask Hideo Nomo about his every growing ERA after year 1. Hitters gain an advantage over time, not pitchers (in general).
 
2007-05-17 02:28:08 PM
Best thing $50,000 cash and the league minumum can buy.

Don't forget the salary of the person they are paying to stalk Josh and keep him out of trouble. Kudos to Hamilton though. It's great to see someone turn their life around and do well.

The article was stupid and pointless. "Like, wow. Let's pick some young players that are playing well and aren't eligible for free agency and compare them to all of the players that are!"
 
2007-05-17 02:29:25 PM
Yeah, that Santana guy sucks. Probably over-rated just like Dice-K. They should both get their a$$e$ sent down to freaking Durham. :-P

Tell the engraver to get started on the Gil Meche Cy Young award. :)

re: San Diego, most teams would be pretty farking happy with Peavy, Cla Meredith and Maddux. :) but yes Red Sox Nation is clappy as a ham about having Dice K in Boston. :)
 
2007-05-17 02:35:34 PM
Who knows when this tripe was written, but Matsuzaka's currently 5-2 with a 4.17 ERA. That projects to 21-8 (and Rookie of the Year?) which pretty much justifies the salary.
 
2007-05-17 02:39:34 PM
Worst contract in baseball: Bug Selig, Commissioner, 6MM base salary, 6MM bonus, 2.5MM expenses/personal fees (14.5MM total)

Show me this list again for players who have been eligible for free agency or are signed through their arbitration years. Guys like Dan Haren for 2.2MM.
 
2007-05-17 02:43:19 PM
Oh, man, a projection argument, go get 'em, Robsul.

/You know that none of the fark/sports Sox regs ever make serious projection arguments...at least at this stage. I was the one who attacked your ARod projection but also claimed it would be retarded to assume the Sox would the division by 38 games because it makes no sense with the field sample
//projection arguments do work in football, though, because they tend to be accurate
 
2007-05-17 02:50:08 PM
I think it's funny that Dice-K is an approximation of "Daisuke" for Americans who butcher Japanese names.

Seems like a pretty weak nickname.

I say that if he pitches well this season, he deserves a real nickname instead of that one.

/maybe Johan Santana can get a nickname like DICE-K? YO-HAN?
 
2007-05-17 02:51:02 PM
I think we can agree to come to SOME sort of agreement not to mention projections or "on pace" on either side. After all, that's what summits are for, heh.

/and I don't even want to contemplate what .86 Kei Igawa would play like
 
2007-05-17 02:55:29 PM
HighHardOne: Who knows when this tripe was written, but Matsuzaka's currently 5-2 with a 4.17 ERA. That projects to 21-8 (and Rookie of the Year?) which pretty much justifies the salary.

According to baseball writers, you can't give the ROY award to someone who played professionally in Japan.

At least not when it's a Yankee, Hideki Matsui. It was just fine when it was Ichiro.
 
2007-05-17 02:57:49 PM
Meanwhile, Carmona continues to beat Santana and the Twins.

/go tribe!
 
2007-05-17 02:59:08 PM
robsul82

Who knows? Maybe that extra .14 is what's adding in all that suck.

/Schilling had to trim a little before the season started, so there's precedent
 
2007-05-17 03:00:36 PM
Hah! Perhaps indeed.

/although Schilling hasn't trimmed shiat, sorry, lol
 
2007-05-17 03:04:05 PM
Yeah, more time on the treadmill, and less time playing EverQuest and blogging would be good.

/Those Internet dragons aren't going to slay themselves though, you know
 
2007-05-17 03:06:12 PM
legion_of_doo

Wow, yeah, but you know what is even more amusing? the fact that I am Japanese, grew up in Japanese speaking household, lived in Japan and can attest to the fact that you are wrong. Dice-K is basically what Daisuke sounds like with a typical American accent. Without the phonetic version, everyone would pronounce his name as "Die-SOO-KEE". So, can you please go gallop your high horse on outta here?
 
2007-05-17 03:07:27 PM
When I think of Schilling EverQuesting, it's always a blend of Cartman with zits even fatter than normal and Steve Carell screaming "come on, SUCKA!" in his video game chair in The 40-Year-Old Virgin.

/I'm sure Schilling's fingers, with the gaming and blogging, are lean and mean
 
2007-05-17 03:12:56 PM
Yanks_RSJ: At least not when it's a Yankee, Hideki Matsui. It was just fine when it was Ichiro.

Aw, come on. Matsui didn't exactly blow the field away that year. Ichiro did. Huge difference.
 
2007-05-17 03:15:00 PM
At least Schill got himself some chicken
 
2007-05-17 03:18:33 PM
hmmm... if you're going to bring up Dice-K, you might want to bring up Okajima, too.

/jus' saying.
//Sports journalism needs contraction much more than MLB does.
 
2007-05-17 03:22:05 PM
Daniels: Aw, come on. Matsui didn't exactly blow the field away that year. Ichiro did. Huge difference.

Agreed, if that was actually the reason Matsui didn't win. A few writers admitted to voting for Angel Berroa ahead of Matsui because Matsui played previously in Japan. Matsui had an identical average, nearly identical power numbers, and drove in 30 more runs, for a team that went to the World Series.
 
2007-05-17 03:23:13 PM
Yanks_RSJ

According to baseball writers, you can't give the ROY award to someone who played professionally in Japan.

At least not when it's a Yankee, Hideki Matsui. It was just fine when it was Ichiro.


You're seriously not trying to say the sports media is biased against the Yankees, are you?
 
2007-05-17 03:34:35 PM
mofomisfit: You're seriously not trying to say the sports media is biased against the Yankees, are you?

Every non-Yankee fan hates the Yankees, why should the sports media be any different?
 
2007-05-17 03:37:47 PM
Speaking of bargins. Papelbon slammed the door on the Tigers! Okajima rocks as well.
 
2007-05-17 03:40:22 PM
4-0 White Sox. Well, that sucks, but at least it's good luck for tonight's Bulls-Pistons game.
 
2007-05-17 03:52:38 PM
GimpyNip
Dice-K is basically what Daisuke sounds like with a typical American accent. Without the phonetic version, everyone would pronounce his name as "Die-SOO-KEE". High horse, yadda yadda yadda.

Uh-huh?

Aren't we agreeing that American people would typically butcher "Daisuke"? And Dice-K is an approximation?

It's still a lame nickname.

/At least Twins fans haven't taken to YO-HAN as a nickname.
/For those who think that Dice-K or YO-HAN are good nicknames, here's some other good nicknames that someone else thought up for you to remember how to pronounce certain names... "Man-E Ramirez, Al-X Rodriguez, Ho-Zay Canseco."
 
2007-05-17 03:53:12 PM
robsul

This isn't a cheap shot on the Yanks, but I am seriously surprised by how bad they have been...even with the pitching problems. Their vaunted murders row looks like it has been granted a pardon.
 
2007-05-17 03:54:41 PM
I'm not gonna lie, you know, this is some troublesome shiat, even considering how early it is.
 
2007-05-17 03:57:30 PM
robsul82: I'm not gonna lie, you know, this is some troublesome shiat, even considering how early it is.

It's going to be a nutty weekend, that's for sure.
 
2007-05-17 03:58:33 PM
legion_of_doo Aren't we agreeing that American people would typically butcher "Daisuke"?

I guess, but no more than we (Japs) butcher American names like William, Paul, or Daniel.

So, really, I don't see your point.
 
2007-05-17 04:00:43 PM
Agreed, if that was actually the reason Matsui didn't win. A few writers admitted to voting for Angel Berroa ahead of Matsui because Matsui played previously in Japan.

Meh, if their deciding factor between two similar sets of stats was that one guy just started playing professional baseball, it's fair.

Yankee persecution complex is kind of crazy.
 
2007-05-17 04:01:44 PM
For disappointments, I submit Frank Thomas to the Blue Jays. Weak numbers all around for a guy who's supposed to be the new power hitter.

For guys doing well on little money, I submit Adam Lind. He's a killer.
 
2007-05-17 04:08:48 PM
Daniels

I think it may be "a forrest for the trees thing". It seems like people who complain about Sox/Yanks coverage are crazy because to us it doesn't seem like anything considering the non-stop local coverage we have. I certainly don't notice a lot of Sox coverage on ESPN but that is just because I am used to such a local overkill that ESPN's seems like nothing. If I wasn't a Sox fan, though, I'd probably notice and it would piss me off...sort of like all the national press the terribly overrated Bears got during the NFL season.

I went to college in LA and there was almost no Dodger or Angel coverage and the Angels won the freakin world series while I was there. That gave me no respect at all for the Angels especially considering the Sox still hadn't gotten theirs yet. Also, who the effe ever heard of a sit down resteraunt/night club that has a line inside a park during a game? Nice boom stix. I hate the Halo and it's sea of empty red seats and fans who sit on their hands.
 
2007-05-17 04:10:10 PM
Go get em White Sox!

Your current picthers in this game (6th inning right now) Vizcaino and Garland.

All burroughs minus Queens sends up a collective "Awwww not this shiat again!?!?!"

The rest of the country does the Peanuts/Snoopy happy dance.

bonanzajellybean.blogs.com
 
2007-05-17 04:18:30 PM
GimpyNip
legion_of_doo
Aren't we agreeing that American people would typically butcher "Daisuke"?

I guess, but no more than we (Japs) butcher American names like William, Paul, or Daniel.

So, really, I don't see your point.


His point is that he, like everyone else these days is REACHING for something to rag on the Sox.

"We don't say YO-HAN"

wow, so that's what passes for clever in some parts these days?

Incidentally, I was in Japan last November and the folks in Tokyo generally pronounced it "Dice-(uh)-KAY", very muted "uh" like a weak schwa, more like a slight, barely vocalized hesitation between 'Dice' and 'K'. So frankly, I find the "stupid" nickname (imagine, incorporating a "K" into a pitcher's nickname, who would do THAT?) closer to how Japanese people from Japan, who speak Japanese, said it.

But you know, some guys proudly abstain from saying "YO-HAN" so no doubt chicks dig 'em.

/I'll give him a "C-" for trolling just because it evoked a response. Pronounced "See-My-Niss"
 
2007-05-17 04:25:23 PM
toonz

No doubt. Plus, if it were any other way you'd be hearing Die-Sue-Key or "That Japanese Guy" all freakin' year. I doubt that guy has ever heard the whiner line before. How does he expect Frank from Gloucster to pronounce Matsuzaka...too many sil-ah-bills
 
2007-05-17 04:25:49 PM
Red Sox beat Tigers, stay hot
Tavarez shines on mound; Boston has won eight of last 10


BOSTON - Julian Tavarez pitched his most effective game of the season, and the Boston Red Sox beat the Detroit Tigers and emergency starter Zach Miner 2-1 Thursday in the opener of a day-night doubleheader.

re: Yankee hopes: Awwwwwwwwwwwwww :(
 
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