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(Twin Cities)   Last week, my platoon's lead vehicle was hit by an IED. It killed the gunner, SPC Robert Dixon, who was married with two children. He was my friend   (twincities.com) divider line 589
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2007-05-15 01:31:20 PM  
RIP.
 
2007-05-15 01:34:20 PM  
it is sad that people have to die for nothing. what a waste.
 
2007-05-15 01:35:16 PM  
If he didn't want to leave his wife & kids stranded, he shouldn't have joined the military.

Feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I don't know what makes him a hero.

Dying? No.
Dying for no cause? No.
That just sounds like stupidity to me.

People need to wake up and take back the world.
 
2007-05-15 01:35:26 PM  
submitter: Sorry you lost your friend.

I came here to see the fight between the he was protecting our freedoms jackasses and the he was was a baby killer assholes. Both sides show shameful disregard for the actual human being who died.

Are these the only two sides to choose from?

I'd say the jackasses beating their chests with your friend's death have the obvious moral high-ground over the assholes,, this time.
 
2007-05-15 01:36:57 PM  
Jake Steed:

I was speaking more in terms of your overall posts as I've seen them in different threads, but alright.

* He was in the military. Without a military there would be no deterrence of our enemy from attacking us

As I pointed out in my response to this, this is a very black and white view of the world (which trolls often employ). You can have a military but use it sensibly.

* He was 1 of about 500,000 men and women who act as a deterrence to anyone who wants to attack us. He serves, enemy won't attack, you're protected.

This is linked to the first statement. So my problem with this is handled above.

* Mercutio74, Go spout your ignorant rubbish at dailkos or DU. We're talking about the soldier not the politics. He asked how this soldier was protecting him and I answered.

This was in response to me (obviously). It's petulant "You're either with us or against us" type stuff.

* Anyone service member in uniform, regardless of where they are stationed is a deterrence.

That's not logical. If this were the case, all troops should be stationed in the US in their own homes with their families.

* Besides that, have you ever heard of Al-Qaeda? Do you know who we are fighting in Iraq?

Al Qaeda only entered Iraq after the government was toppled. Iraq was the most secular country in the region as had very little to do with Al Qaeda pre-war as Iraqi leadership was effectively secular (though the Baathists did have a theoretical religion) and Al-Qaeda is fanatically religious.

Google "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" or paste and read this article.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0514/p01s01-woiq.html


That's the most sensible thing you posted, and it's only a link.


I guess the reason I think you might be a troll is this. Your posts are usually very emotionally written with a disregard to critical thinking, generally presenting an issue in black and white, and sometimes using ad hominem attacks and/or name calling. These are classic indicators that someone's trolling.

However, you maintain a clear ideology and sometimes link to articles and can use the english language properly, so I really don't know.

I'm just going to continue being mystified.
 
2007-05-15 01:37:18 PM  
Jake Steed

In theory, if the Chinese, North Koreans, or Iran wanted to attack us they would be deterred by our standing Army geographic isolation and unmatched stockpiles of nuclear weaponry.

FTFY
 
2007-05-15 01:38:25 PM  
Jake Steed: You may have missed it. The question I answered was this. How was this soldier "protecting us?". I responded that every soldier in Uniform is a deterrence.

Get it yet?


Actually, here's what you said:

Yes, any member of the military, regardless of where they are stationed is a deterrent against any type of attack on the U.S.

If you're upset that you misspoke, don't get mad at me about it.
 
2007-05-15 01:38:52 PM  
Devin172
What he said.

amen brother
 
2007-05-15 01:40:55 PM  
Devin172

yes, we failed to get Bush or Blair thrown out. We failed to make people see what was happening because they were caught up in "WMD", "Freedom" and all the other bullshiat rhetoric.

We keep on because we still need people to see.

But it's a bit farking rich saying we are at war because us anti-war crowd failed to convince the rest of you idiots that it was a bad idea. and you talk about us shifting the blame!! My GOD!!

Sorry officer, I murdered the man and it's your fault because you didn't stop me.
 
2007-05-15 01:41:05 PM  
This is really sad. I read someone's comments about a his children losing their father and it got me a little choked up. I really don't care about the politics right now, it's just really sad.

Hopefully our government takes care of this family. Hopefully these children and all of the children who lost parents in this conflict get proper counseling and support.

I wish we would all tolerate each other more.

My best friend came back from Iraq safely. I wish everyone would.
 
2007-05-15 01:41:55 PM  
Hey Merc.

While I agree with most yer comments above, I must point out that any soldier wearing the uniform, no matter where they are, are potential deterrents to an enemy power. History is rife with armies that are stationed nowhere near their home turf yet they are major components of domestic defense. Logically, if you have a big stick somewhere, anywhere, it can be used to club your adversary even if it takes time to get there.
 
2007-05-15 01:42:23 PM  
No way am I slogging through this whole thread to make SURE it hasn't been said, however, what I want to know is:

Where are the moderators that removed any political, gun control, and snarky comments in the VT threads, and why aren't they enforcing the same rules here? If censorship is the status quo around here now, shouldn't this thread only be about the family, support for them, and condolences?
 
2007-05-15 01:43:13 PM  
Massive cockpunch to golo606, SoylentBob, and T.Durden
 
2007-05-15 01:46:56 PM  
I feel sorrow for another loss of life.
 
2007-05-15 01:49:38 PM  
i think that most people who join the military assume (incorrectly) that they will only see action if there is some sort of immediate and actual threat to the "greatest goddamn country on the face of the earth". and i am quite sure that military recruiters do absolutely nothing to make them think otherwise. so i guess you could be an asshole and say "that guy who died should have thought twice before joining the military". and i guess you would be right.

but....i could hear about someone getting mugged in a bad part of town and say "that idiot should have known to not walk down that street". which is also true, but it doesn't mean it isn't sad or isn't a shame.
 
2007-05-15 01:51:50 PM  
funmonger:

Hey Merc.

While I agree with most yer comments above, I must point out that any soldier wearing the uniform, no matter where they are, are potential deterrents to an enemy power. History is rife with armies that are stationed nowhere near their home turf yet they are major components of domestic defense. Logically, if you have a big stick somewhere, anywhere, it can be used to club your adversary even if it takes time to get there.


Undoubtedly this this true, when the soldiers are merely garrisoned somewhere. But I would split a major hair in saying there's a huge difference in "stationed" and "occupying". Stationed doesn't cost a lot and is logistically flexible. Occupying means that you're very limited by having to be deployed in certain areas and that you are usually dealing with having to police a populous where you're not sure who the enemy is. Plus, it's quite expensive in terms of lives, money, and global credibility.

Strangely, those are three things that aid domestic security quite a bit... shame they're being squandered.
 
2007-05-15 01:52:47 PM  
NaziKamikaze: If he didn't want to leave his wife & kids stranded, he shouldn't have joined the military.

To me one of the saddest aspects of the whole story is that there are so many Americans who have such a hard time just getting by that for them, joining the military is the best option, even factoring in all the risks.
 
2007-05-15 02:01:30 PM  
Where are the moderators that removed any political, gun control, and snarky comments in the VT threads, and why aren't they enforcing the same rules here? If censorship is the status quo around here now, shouldn't this thread only be about the family, support for them, and condolences?


No kidding. If there wasn't a double standard in life, I guess it would be boring.

/you'll get over it
 
2007-05-15 02:06:13 PM  
Gothnet
Also, ShillintheVillain, for the sake of honesty and transparency I must include here that I do actually have pretty bad teeth :(

Ha! I knew it.

As far as the "deification of the military", I think we all care for the well-being of the soldiers no matter what war they're fighting. Do I agree with the war? Not really. Do I agree with our foreign policy as of late? No way. But I will always support the men and women who are stuck over there in the shiat.
 
2007-05-15 02:06:40 PM  
pixistick:

No kidding. If there wasn't a double standard in life, I guess it would be boring.

I would say the difference is that VT was a news item, had a feeling of being much closer to home and was unexpected.

This, though still tragic, don't get me wrong... was started specifically by a farker, happened "over there" somewhere, and is one casualty of war in a long line of casualties of war.

I'm not saying that that's right, it's just probably how it is.
 
2007-05-15 02:07:43 PM  
The vast majority of you are assholes. RIP brother. God bless the CAV.

/you wouldn't get it anyway
//5-15 CAV changed us all
 
2007-05-15 02:09:42 PM  
Merc

Occupation vs. Garrison

I agree with you in that regard. An occupation means more territory to defend, keeping armed soldiers too busy to defend the "homeland"... examples of which are also rife throughout history.
 
2007-05-15 02:11:55 PM  
Condolences, submitter. And thanks for doing what you do. We appreciate it.
 
2007-05-15 02:12:09 PM  
That sucks. RIP dude and good on ya for serving your country.

War is hell.
 
2007-05-15 02:13:14 PM  
Less said the better.
The bill unpaid, the dead letter,
No roses at the end
Of Smith, my friend.

Last words don't matter,
And there are none to flatter.
Words will not fill the post
Of Smith, the ghost.

For Smith, our brother,
Only son of loving mother,
The ocean lifted, stirred,
Leaving no word.

- John Pudney
 
2007-05-15 02:15:07 PM  
Jon Snow 2007-05-15 01:38:25 PM
If you're upset that you misspoke, don't get mad at me about it.

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I'm not upset my friend. I stand by my statement. If you can't comprehend what a deterrent is and why our military members are a deterrent that's fine. Why would I get mad over your ignorance?
 
2007-05-15 02:15:22 PM  
darthaegis

I am more amazed that you want to have this conversation now. Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish? You are in a thread started by a friend of someone that died. You are saying things that you know will be seen as hurtful.

With respect, what was the subby trying to accomplish in the first place? We don't post every friend of ours that's ever died with "(WAR) HERO" trappings; that's making more of a statement than "my friend died", yes? The seed for political conversation was here from the outset, unfortunately, though possibly not consciously intended by the subby. It quickly got taken up by both sides.

Anyways, my sincere condolences subby, political disagreements about patriotism, military, freedom, wars and how to honor it all aside.
 
2007-05-15 02:16:39 PM  
After reading all this drivel (left and right and ignorant), I'm still glad that I served.

My sincerest condolences to the family of SPC Robert Dixon.

/USN (ret)
 
2007-05-15 02:17:23 PM  
Some of the comments on this page are truly disgusting. Can't you people put down your politics for five minutes? This is a real person who died. I understand some people get their kicks from trolling, but honestly, human compassion is okay sometimes, too.
 
2007-05-15 02:19:46 PM  
What a (censored to avoid banination) you are. Yes, all wars are illegal unless a democrat is on office. Go drink your farking kool-aid elsewhere..

Only a sad, low self-estemmed conservative would say something so ridiculous. C'mon everybody knows LBJ's Vietnam was practically as illegal as Bush's Iraq. (no more Texan presidents!)

Besides, who actually thinks this is a JUST war fought for JUST causes? Gimme a break.

The British occupation of America prior to 1776 was more righteous than the American involvement in Iraq now.
 
2007-05-15 02:24:33 PM  
we_hates
To me one of the saddest aspects of the whole story is that there are so many Americans who have such a hard time just getting by that for them, joining the military is the best option, even factoring in all the risks.

It's MUCH more common than many people realize. There are some who don't see this because they spent large parts of their lives eagerly preparing to enlist or get a commission and other don't realize it because they have no experience with the military.

This truth will become increasingly obvious as the recruiters are pushed to the limits to fill the ranks. Those without high school diplomas and/or a crime filled youth will increasingly turn to the military as a vehicle to get ahead in a society that wants to relegate them to work in jobs like restaraunts or construction. Mist of them turn their lives around, get an education/skills, and their families prosper.

My heart goes out to this soldier's family and I know they will be cared for by the military and their community. The sad reality is that his family's money troubles are over now...
 
2007-05-15 02:25:57 PM  
GOD BLESS this man and his family! He has given, what many who are here writing such awful things about him, something they never would.
/RIP
 
2007-05-15 02:28:31 PM  
Yeah and I got crabs from one of the groupies that sucked me after the concert last week. Sheet happens. So what.
 
2007-05-15 02:33:27 PM  
As I read some of the comments, I felt the rush of my sorrow come back for the soldier I knew that lost his life in Iraq in September.

Not three days ago, my almost 4 year old, said he wanted to be a soldier so he could go save SGT Adam Knox, 21 years old, a friend of my wifes family.

I feel for you and your loss. I still get choked up a bit talking with his mother about it.
 
2007-05-15 02:33:36 PM  
Jake Steed

You're working with a very simplified subset of analogies. You're not thinking, you're stating doctrine. Fundamentally you lose the argument by not making sense in a dialectic. Your ideas have to follow. So perhaps instead of repeating how you were taught to look at the military and your country, you should address the reality of how those things have changed in your life time. You're not a kid anymore. I assume.
 
2007-05-15 02:36:34 PM  
Better him than me.
 
2007-05-15 02:37:53 PM  
It really angers me every time another person dies in this unjust war. Bring'em home!
 
2007-05-15 02:39:22 PM  
Sorry about the loss of your friend.

Hopefully somebody (US, Iraqi, UN, Jeebus, Allah or our Martian Overlords) can bring peace to Iraq soon so all the waste life can end. I have many friends and family over there and want them back soon.
 
2007-05-15 02:49:42 PM  
Why don't they just get a big honkin armored plow blade to hook on the front of one of these things and have it drive in front of all the convoys and clear the path :)
www.semesterinthewest.org
 
2007-05-15 02:51:13 PM  
Mercutio74 2007-05-15 01:36:57 PM


* He was in the military. Without a military there would be no deterrence of our enemy from attacking us

As I pointed out in my response to this, this is a very black and white view of the world (which trolls often employ). You can have a military but use it sensibly.
----------------------------------------

This has nothing to view with my view of the world. A poster asked how this soldier was "protecting him" and I gave my answer. He was in the military and therefore is deterrence for ANY enemy if you want to call me a "troll" for posting that go right ahead. We aren't discussing how to use the military. Please try and stay on topic.

* He was 1 of about 500,000 men and women who act as a deterrence to anyone who wants to attack us. He serves, enemy won't attack, you're protected.

This is linked to the first statement. So my problem with this is handled above.

You handled it how?

* Mercutio74, Go spout your ignorant rubbish at dailkos or DU. We're talking about the soldier not the politics. He asked how this soldier was protecting him and I answered.

This was in response to me (obviously). It's petulant "You're either with us or against us" type stuff.

It was in regards to your earlier posts

* Anyone service member in uniform, regardless of where they are stationed is a deterrence.

That's not logical. If this were the case, all troops should be stationed in the US in their own homes with their families.

I'm not sure where you're coming from on this one but I stand by my comment

* Besides that, have you ever heard of Al-Qaeda? Do you know who we are fighting in Iraq?

Al Qaeda only entered Iraq after the government was toppled. Iraq was the most secular country in the region as had very little to do with Al Qaeda pre-war as Iraqi leadership was effectively secular (though the Baathists did have a theoretical religion) and Al-Qaeda is fanatically religious.

I'm very familiar with the history and politics of Iraq but Al-Qaeda is in Iraq now. Al-Qaeda's objective is to kill as many American's as possible. Our military is currently battling multiple groups in Iraq including Al-Qaeda. I'm not discussing why we went to war, I am discussing the death of this soldier and why I feel he was protecting the poster who asked the question. If you would like to debate the circumstances surrounding the war save it for another thread. Your constant strawman arguements are getting tiresome. If you disagree soldiers are a deterrent to our enemy please and I'm a troll feel free to prove my wrong. So far you haven't.
 
2007-05-15 02:57:06 PM  
I am sorry for the loss of your friend. My sincere condolences to his wife, children, and the rest of his family.

/28 is just too damn young. :(
 
2007-05-15 02:58:09 PM  
paranand:

What makes me really sad though, was the emphasis the article put on his reasons for joining up. He did it to provide stability for his kids. I can't wrap my head around this, and I'd appreciate if somebody could clarify it for me. He has two infant sons, and somehow it's more stable for him to join up as a cavalry scout in the middle of wartime? Financial security is one thing, but it seems to me a family without a dead father and a grieving widow would be more stable than one with those things, which is what the result ended up being. It just seems tragic and unnecessary to me, and my heart goes out to everybody who is dealing with loss, on both sides.


QFT

"One owes respect to the living. To the dead, one owes only truth."
- Moliere

I am sorry for your loss, subby.
 
2007-05-15 03:04:08 PM  
Jake Steed:

I'm very familiar with the history and politics of Iraq but Al-Qaeda is in Iraq now. Al-Qaeda's objective is to kill as many American's as possible. Our military is currently battling multiple groups in Iraq including Al-Qaeda. I'm not discussing why we went to war, I am discussing the death of this soldier and why I feel he was protecting the poster who asked the question. If you would like to debate the circumstances surrounding the war save it for another thread. Your constant strawman arguements are getting tiresome. If you disagree soldiers are a deterrent to our enemy please and I'm a troll feel free to prove my wrong. So far you haven't.

The only straw men I used were the posts you gave to me. And ok, if you want to talk about it in another thread, I'll see you then. Obviously I won't be getting anything but doublespeak out of you today.

And just a little reading comprehension note, I never said you were a troll. In fact, I said that I haven't ever been able to tell if you were or not.

Also, if you read my above response to funmonger, you'll see that I believe that troops can indeed be a deterrent, it's just that they can't be tied up in an occupation. They have to actually be garrisoned somewhere and ready to go into action. So the troops in Iraq, actually aren't much of a deterrent right now. However, that's not the nature of my reaction to you. You said that troops, no matter where they're stationed, act as a deterrent. I then said that by your logic the troops would be doing just as much if they were stationed at home than fighting an occupation in Iraq. So I question how this man could have died protecting the poster you were talking about, if he would have been equally as useful stationed at home. So, you can see how I'm not convinced by your reasoning as you contradict yourself.

I guess that's it for today then, if there are certain topics you won't debate on due to the nature of this thread?
 
2007-05-15 03:04:40 PM  
Jake Steed

Wall of text crits you for 9999. You die. People post about it on fark. Someone makes a new wall of text. The cycle continues....
 
2007-05-15 03:16:02 PM  
Subby: I'm very sorry about your friend; be safe.

All you other Farkers: Please Don't Feed the Trolls.
 
2007-05-15 03:24:03 PM  
He knew what he was getting into. Big farking deal.

/stop it with the gay poems already
 
2007-05-15 03:41:53 PM  
Please accept my condolences for the loss of your friend. All the men and women of our military are heroes to me.
 
2007-05-15 03:55:39 PM  
I'm sorry.
Rest in peace, Mr. Dixon. Bless you and your family.
 
2007-05-15 03:57:16 PM  
little_wing: They're not my beloved troops. I'm not an American. I just think it's a dick move to talk politics when someone has lost a soldier friend. US Army, Australian Army, Wehrmacht, whatever. Dead men are dead men.

quoted for truth
 
2007-05-15 04:19:58 PM  
Don't make this political?

As if anyone on Fark could make this political.

Are you retarded, in denial, or both?
 
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