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(madison.com)   Man's head run over by truck. Head stays intact, bicycle helmet crushed (with pic)   (madison.com) divider line 99
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2007-05-13 01:24:43 PM  
breaks.
 
2007-05-13 04:38:16 PM  
So the idiot tried to pass the truck on the right and lost.

I wonder if he learned anything.
 
2007-05-13 05:33:51 PM  
ummm did you read the article?? He was on the bike path...had the right of way to cross the road with a white pedestrian crossing sign and saw the truck was not going to stop while turning. Reading is your friend.
 
2007-05-13 05:47:06 PM  
Draakan
ummm did you read the article??
Yes I did. Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word "pedestrian."

Bicycles are vehicles. Bike riders are supposed to obey traffic laws, even when on bike lanes.
 
2007-05-13 06:53:19 PM  
The way I'm reading it is that the bike had right of way; the street it paralleled had a green light. The article could use to be a little more clear, IMO.

BTW, this is a great example of why bike lanes/paths don't work. They're poorly designed, poorly maintained, often clogged with pedestrians, and no one registers it as an intersection including bicyclists.

/watching Giro d'Italia
 
2007-05-13 06:54:35 PM  
Welp, them's the BRAKES...

/Schpelling Nazi in da howze
//shaddap, ya Grammar Nazi!
 
2007-05-13 06:57:23 PM  
How the hell could the helmet crush like that and his head be okay???
 
2007-05-13 06:57:39 PM  
I know this dude.
 
2007-05-13 06:58:45 PM  
it's Madison. he was probably too busy smelling his own farts. smug levels are at an all time high there


/bitter GB resident
 
2007-05-13 06:59:08 PM  
You know, I wonder if my bike helmet would stand up to being run over by a truck... but I hope I never find out.

Also, the truck driver is a douche for hit and run. Hope they nail him.
 
2007-05-13 06:59:17 PM  
Kyosuke: From the Wisconsin DOT:

346.23 Crossing controlled intersection or crosswalk. (1) At an intersection or crosswalk where traffic is controlled by traffic control signals or by a traffic officer, the operator of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian, or to a person who is riding a bicycle or electric personal assistive mobility device in a manner which is consistent with the safe use of the crosswalk by pedestrians, who has started to cross the highway on a green or "Walk" signal and in all other cases pedestrians, bicyclists, and riders of electric personal assistive mobility devices shall yield the right-of-way to vehicles lawfully proceeding directly ahead on a green signal. No operator of a vehicle proceeding ahead on a green signal may begin a turn at a controlled intersection or crosswalk when a pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device crossing in the crosswalk on a green or "Walk" signal would be endangered or interfered with in any way. The rules stated in this subsection are modified at intersections or crosswalks on divided highways or highways provided with safety zones in the manner and to the extent stated in sub. (2).

(2) At intersections or crosswalks on divided highways or highways provided with safety zones where traffic is controlled by traffic control signals or by a traffic officer, the operator of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device who has started to cross the roadway either from the near curb or shoulder or from the center dividing strip or a safety zone with the green or "Walk" signal in the favor of the pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device.


/me FTW
 
2007-05-13 07:00:17 PM  
Can you say WTF?!
 
2007-05-13 07:02:23 PM  
Oh, and the helmet probably squeezed his head out from under the tire as it was crushed. Like trying to pinch a tomato seed.
 
2007-05-13 07:03:51 PM  
"Madison Police Department Sgt. Chris Boyd said the officer at the scene urged Lipscomb to keep the helmet. He did. It is all flattened and mangled and broken, unlike his head."

It's nice to know that there are still some good writers in this world.
 
2007-05-13 07:04:30 PM  
www.cult-cinema.ru

Toxie's gonna make the driver pay for it anyway, I'm sure.
 
2007-05-13 07:07:50 PM  
Unimpressed:

www.thedenverchannel.com

"Amateuuurrrrrrrrruhhhhhhhhhhgggggg...."


/ticket, plz
 
2007-05-13 07:10:56 PM  
logruszed
From the Wisconsin DOT:
Ah, I see the problem. I'm in a state where logic prevails. Bicycles shouldn't have the same right-of-way entitlement as pedestrians, and certainly shouldn't be ridden in crosswalks.
 
2007-05-13 07:11:31 PM  
Except for a concussion, he wasn't hurt?

Um, a concussion still hurts. Ask Corey Koskie.
 
2007-05-13 07:12:24 PM  
Um Maxwell mind if I join you?
 
2007-05-13 07:12:43 PM  
Ahhh, city bikers. They cry about automobile drivers not treating them like vehicles (extremely slow vehicles), yet they have no problem running red lights and stop signs when there is no cross traffic, going the wrong way down one way streets and sometimes cutting across on sidewalks. Just like any other vehicle does. I also appreciate the attitude that you aren't just using that bike to get to work, you are saving the environment and all the other drivers are not respecting you for that.

//rant
/not about the guy who got his helmet crushed
 
2007-05-13 07:13:49 PM  
FTA: "A white paneled delivery truck ran over a UW-Madison graduate student's head on Division Street"

Anyone else notice the white paneled delivery truck in the Waunkee Remodeling ad playing next to the article? They must be thrilled by the juxtaposition.
 
2007-05-13 07:14:47 PM  
Even though the truck did not stop, Boyd initially refused to call the incident a hit-and-run. She said the police were not sure that the truck driver knew that someone had been hit. But Sgt. Bernie Gonzalez said later in the evening that the accident report calls it a hit-and-run.

That's some fine detective work, Lou.

/hope they find this sorry excuse of a driver, cut up his license, and this guy sues him for every cent he's worth.
 
2007-05-13 07:15:21 PM  
Ugh, it's inevitable, one of these days I am going to be hit on my bike by someone. I've had a LOT of close calls, but no hits yet.

I echo the statement made earlier that bike lanes DO suck in general. Road shoulders do not a good bike lane make, esp. when there is some kind of groove between the road asphalt and the curb concrete. I've just about eaten it three feet from speeding cars and trucks several times because of crappy bike lanes.
 
2007-05-13 07:17:12 PM  
Just to help clarify, that intersection has a bike path across it sort of like a crosswalk. Only the bike path is farther from the corner, and wider than a cross walk.

Rules of engagement are the same as a crosswalk, vehicle turning is supposed to yield to someone going parallel to the green. So... as a driver you either look with mirrors or look ahead if you are coming up on the turn and yield or get through as appropriate.

It is NOT a bike lane there, but more of a bike path.

That said, the city is full or arrogant-ass bikers that DO NOT follow the rules and do not use proper body language or even show much defensive biking. So the guy is probably an asshat anyway.

Madison cops got little else to do but gather little details and find the guy. So he's sorta screwed. (They're 6 and 6 for the last couple years of hit and runs.)

Doesn't look like it actually hit the guy's head, more like pinched the helmet and pulled it and broke while doing that.

Here's a link to the intersection in question:
Google Maps [pops]

Switch to sat view and you can see the bike path come from the southwest.

/farking hippies screw with the rules by trying to be over polite and make the mildly risky situation much more dangerous.
//We have those stupid "wave red flag" to cross busy street things too.
///Mayor Man-gina needs to shut up about the trollies and fix the potholes.
 
2007-05-13 07:18:26 PM  
Where are you, Kyosuke, 'cause I call Bulllsh*t.
 
2007-05-13 07:18:56 PM  
Maxwell_Smart

What's with all the Will Arnett?

Are you Will Arnett?

Are you Amy Poehler?
 
2007-05-13 07:21:18 PM  
Oh that's not him? I'm EXTREMELY disappointed at the lack of cute men on Fark.
 
2007-05-13 07:23:12 PM  
The article stresses the bike rider had right of way. What's wrong with you anti-bike idiots? You like the idea of running over people with different opinions than you, judging from comments.

You're real community members.

Also, apparently now, med students are "hippies".
 
2007-05-13 07:24:08 PM  
PoderOmega: they have no problem running red lights and stop signs when there is no cross traffic, going the wrong way down one way streets and sometimes cutting across on sidewalks.

Unlike car drivers, who run red lights, exceed the speed limit, pilot multi-thousand pound vehicles while concentrating on a cellphone text message, blow through crosswalks, fail to actually stop at 'right on red', roll through stop signs...yeah, all that stuff.

The number of people dead from idiot car drivers casing crashes - 40,000+
The number of people dead from idiot bicyclists causing crashes - ...you tell me.
 
2007-05-13 07:25:51 PM  
xtex:
"breaks."

- That's what you use when your brakes are broken.
 
2007-05-13 07:25:52 PM  
Maxwell_Smart: Ah, I see the problem. I'm in a state where logic prevails. Bicycles shouldn't have the same right-of-way entitlement as pedestrians, and certainly shouldn't be ridden in crosswalks.

The article describes it as a bike PATH that parallels the street, not bike LANE. So, the "crosswalk" in question is the bike path, which had a green light, so to speak. He had the right-of-way, and every right to be there. No question.

That said, even if they have the right-of-way (whether in a lane or path), it is absolutely stupid to expect motorists turning right to see you (the cyclist) when you are coming up on them. It's not as if the truck driver pulled past the cyclist then suddenly turned right in front of him -- that would be illegal, inexcusable, and dickish.

/still, the truck driver should have stopped to see if he was okay.
 
2007-05-13 07:26:30 PM  
3...2...1...

/Queue bicycle helmet companies asking this man to advertise their helmets.
//Queue safety groups asking this man to promote helmet usage.
 
2007-05-13 07:29:52 PM  
nirwana
"I know this dude."

Are you getting a kick out of these replies?
 
2007-05-13 07:30:34 PM  
Gold From TFA:

"...It feels really strange to have a truck run over your head."
 
2007-05-13 07:30:39 PM  
ahhh, good times in Madison. Remember that crazy girl who kidnapped herself and the police found her randomly in a marsh like a week later... she said she just got away and then they shut down the city looking for someone who didn't exist... Audrey Seiler (sp?) I think her name was. Yeah, anyways, I lived directly across the street from her and my house was ground zero for the FBI/police investigation because she lied and listed my address as a place where she was randomly assulted like a month before she went missing. My house was on Dateline. Bet no other farker has had Stone Phillips talk about your house on national TV... ahhhh, I miss that crazy place.
 
2007-05-13 07:31:45 PM  
There sure are a lot of apologists for the douchebag truck driver who failed to yield the right of way and left the scene of the accident. WTF?
 
2007-05-13 07:32:07 PM  
If I were that dude, I'd hit up Giro to make a commercial for them.
 
2007-05-13 07:33:09 PM  
What a badly written article...
 
2007-05-13 07:33:56 PM  
jafiwam: Just to help clarify, that intersection has a bike path across it sort of like a crosswalk. Only the bike path is farther from the corner, and wider than a cross walk.

This is the MAIN problem with 'bike paths'. They fit neither road, nor cyclist, nor pedestrian needs. And introduce complications for all. Weird crossings, non-standard intersections, etc.

The best solution? Wider outside lanes. Same width as lane+bike path, but no actual line. Cyclists will be riding in exactly the same place (2-3' out from the curb), and cars have wider room to avoid cyclists in.
 
2007-05-13 07:34:44 PM  
Yeah the truck driver was an asshole/ idiot and 100% in the wrong here, but still it's a good idea for us cyclists to always expect the "right hook" at intersections, especially from big vehicles that might not see you.
 
2007-05-13 07:37:21 PM  
Wardrobe_Malfunction
There sure are a lot of apologists for the douchebag truck driver who failed to yield the right of way and left the scene of the accident. WTF?
Just as there are plenty of apologists for the cyclist who tried to pass a (probably signaling) truck on the right.

Actually, I feel bad for the cyclist. Some idiot traffic planners created a situation where this could happen. Then again, this guy did just learn a lesson about blind spots.

Now if the traffic planners could learn.
 
2007-05-13 07:39:54 PM  
daas_boot: Oh that's not him? I'm EXTREMELY disappointed at the lack of cute men on Fark.

You're just not looking hard enough.
 
2007-05-13 07:40:44 PM  
And I agree with YouPeopleAreCrazy, simple wide outside lanes are much better than weird bike lanes that create dangerous intersections. It's much safer to be part of the general flow of traffic than to weave in and out of it, which is what bike lanes generally do.
 
2007-05-13 07:43:06 PM  
YouPeopleAreCrazy

Wider outside lanes don't help.

Why? Dumbasses park in them. Crap gets thrown out of cars and ends up not getting swept out of the way by comparatively robust car tires. There's grates, road seams, all of that ridiculousness.

Special accomodations confuse and complicate things. I'd just like better education and better enforcement of existing laws and regulations. You know, the same behaviors that drivers often demand: turn around and pay attention to traffic. It's the cultural treatment of a car as a couch on wheels that is killing us out there. When it becomes unacceptable to talk on your cell phone, eat a burger, do your hair, read a newspaper (wtf!), or smack your kids around while driving, we will all be safer on the roads.
 
2007-05-13 07:46:48 PM  
Writes "xtex" down on his list.
 
2007-05-13 07:50:04 PM  
What is this whole "long, thick penis" meme that I somehow missed?

Explanation, please?
 
2007-05-13 07:52:07 PM  
Coincidentally, Boing Boing has this post today: Bike helmets inspire unsafe driving.
 
2007-05-13 07:59:40 PM  
I call Bullshiat on the article / incident.

EMPulse_of_KC that was DAMN FUNNY. Laughed till my stomach hurt.
 
2007-05-13 08:00:34 PM  
I use a Giro helmet--Hooray!

If anyone is interested, I can detail:
¤ Kentucky laws for bicycles
¤ My pre-helmet-days accident
¤ Why I ride an indoor fluid trainer and am still too wigged-out to venture onto the streets very often, although I have the same rights as a motor vehicle.

My head asplodes with all the bike lane/path debate and right-of-way talk. Bottom line: a person driving a "caged" vehicle will most likely not notice or will discount a bicyclist.

/drawn to riding bikes on the road like a moth cognizant to flame.
 
zz9
2007-05-13 08:01:11 PM  
the operator of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device who has started to cross the roadway

In my experience of cyclists I'd suggest the truck had started to turn, saw no pedestrians on the crosswalk, and carried on. The guy on the bike came up fast and tried to beat him or didn't see him.

Again, from my own, direct, personal, experience I have many times had to take avoiding action to avoid bikes that come out of side roads without stopping, giving way or even looking to see if there is anything coming.

The European Union a few years ago was going to introduce a law that said in any accident between a car and a bike it would be automaticaly the cars fault. A car could be stationary with the engine off and if a bike ran into it the car drivers insurance would have to pay the cyclists hospital bills, new bike, expenses etc. Thank FSM they decided not to go ahead.
 
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