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zez		2007-05-09 05:21:58 PM

nopokerface		2007-05-09 05:22:43 PM

WhyteRaven74

Alex Van Halen? Why not Rikki Rokket while we're at it. Ginger Baker, hmmmm he's okay, certainly not Peart's peer. Bonham, hell his son is just as good, which is very good, but.....wait, we are now arguing the subjective, and I think I am at least partly responsible! E-gads.

/Peart, definitely Peart.
//Shake out the bong resin Zepp heads

thekingadrock		2007-05-09 05:24:14 PM

The guitarist is a male prostitute.

/At least according to Ricky

Lerxst2k		2007-05-09 05:24:45 PM

Rush will never be irrelevant.

eikni		2007-05-09 05:24:59 PM

How can you be a music critic, and compair Neil Pert to Ricky Rocket ......?!?!?!?!

WhyteRaven74		2007-05-09 05:25:21 PM

Otto_von_Prawn: Rush is adored by music fans who think that playing something fast and complicated is the very height of talent.

Except most of their songs aren't actually very fast and not complicated either. Unless a few chords with seconds and fourths thrown in counts as complicated to someone. The drums are another issue, but then go pick up some Mahavishnu Orchestra and listen to Billy Cobham's playing if you want off the wall drumming. Among rock drummers some of what Matt Cameron played on a few Soundgarden songs is as as challenging as what Neil plays. And good luck finding someone that can play some of Alex van Halen's parts without falling all over the place. Rush just has a very precise sounds that draws the ear to each and every note, this however doesn't mean it's complicated stuff and it isn't fast either.

tarkus1980		2007-05-09 05:26:14 PM

You know what drummer doesn't get enough credit in "best drummer ever" discussions? Ian Paice of Deep Purple. Except for his fondness of drum solos (which I pretty much despise in all cases unless there's something gimmicky within them), I absolutely love the guy (and I'd definitely take him over Bonham).

Hexenmeister		2007-05-09 05:26:35 PM

Someone at FOX doesn't know what the fark they're talking about. This is news?

Vosh		2007-05-09 05:27:23 PM

stvdallas

Can I just go on record and say...

Rush
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Yes
Genesis

All of these bands have exceptional talent that pretty much makes me laugh at how pitiful most modern artists are these days.

When I was in 5th grade I liked KISS, and in middle school and into high school when I was going through a rocknroll phase, I liked those bands, some more than others... and tastes will vary, naturally, and that's fine and understandable but - rap? The hell? Rap? WTF. Why do I want a reject from maximum security shouting at me like I'm in some insane, surrealist nightmare about a near death experience where I temporarily go to Hell? Ok, there's no accounting for taste; we used to laugh at disco, but man, come on, I just assumed there was some boundary past which even humanity at this stage of their evolution wouldn't cross! We used to laugh at disco, but today we have, oh man, just, the ugliness. The ugliness.

JDAT		2007-05-09 05:28:16 PM

If Neil Peart is so good then why is he still playing the SAME FRIGGEN SOLO!!!! Hasn't shanged in 30 years.

Lerxst2k		2007-05-09 05:28:20 PM

The Green Bastard wants to fight this reviewer.

www.sceneandheard.ca

From Parts Unknown

priestrape		2007-05-09 05:29:26 PM

Check this out...kinda fun:

http://www.neilpeart.net/movies/yyz_vid.html

aorlando		2007-05-09 05:29:40 PM

Good to see there are a number of Rush fans on Fark. I'm 30, and have been a fan since the mid-80s (my uncle is a fan from way back, and he passed their stuff down to me when I was a kid), heavily since Presto. I thought Vapor Trails was great, and S&A is a great follow-up.

As my wife said, moments after they finished playing the R30 medley when we saw them in the summer of '04 "Wow. I never thought three guys could make that much noise. That was amazing." She wasn't a huge fan before, but she's a convert now. I saw them for the first time on the Counterparts tour (MSG 3/9/93) and was blown away. I told her early on that this was one band we needed to see before they retired. Or died.

/You can't beat their stuff from 2112 to Signals
//Moving Pictures is the best album of the 80s
/// SALESMEN!

borist		2007-05-09 05:29:41 PM

Ah, Rush. I remember when they didn't suck.

/I'm old.

trapped-in-CH		2007-05-09 05:31:07 PM

Well of course he doesn't like RUSH. Columnist Roger Friedman's favorite group is Prussian Blue.

WhyteRaven74		2007-05-09 05:31:24 PM

zez: www.designvortex.com

Coolest pic I will see all day, sweet :D

nopokerface: Alex Van Halen? Why not Rikki Rokket while we're at it.

Um ah, that made my brain hurt.

tarkus1980: Ian Paice of Deep Purple

So so true, also there's Carl Palmer.

Catracks		2007-05-09 05:31:59 PM

The media has never understood Rush. They hear Geddy Lee's voice and listen to the timing changes and wonder why the rhythm is so weird - not like their beloved pop songs.

I like Spindrift, The Larger Bowl, Main Monkey Business, Malignant Narcissicsm. Far Cry is pleasant, but not different enough.

Hollywood Bowl on July 23rd. I will be there!!

shipofthesun		2007-05-09 05:32:35 PM

WhyteRaven74: Rush just has a very precise sounds that draws the ear to each and every note, this however doesn't mean it's complicated stuff and it isn't fast either.

And is 100% Canadian government guaranteed soul free. Honestly, there is no feel to Rush music at all, that I can find. Sure they might be wonderful musicians, technically, but the goofiest kid with a two string guitar and a broken heart has more emotion than they do. I would rather listen to that kid try and express that emotion, than listen to Rush express their...obsessive attention to detail.

nopokerface		2007-05-09 05:32:43 PM

JDAT

The 'backbeats' Peart plays are beyond the abilities of most drummers. Fans come to hear the band as they know them, they want to hear the solo as they know it. I don't blame them for not going all "Sting" on the people who paid money to hear the songs they know by playing an arrangement the crowd barely recognizes.

tarkus1980		2007-05-09 05:33:08 PM

So so true, also there's Carl Palmer.

Oh yeah, I forgot about him. He's a technique whore, but he's the technique whore par excellence of drummers.

ccguy		2007-05-09 05:33:08 PM

rocinante721

If the Analog Kid and Digital Man were to have a fight, Digital Man would definitely win. I mean, duh, he's Digital.

Plus he's a Man. Picking on a Kid.

Digital Man needs to pick on someone his own size. Like Genesis' Man on the Corner.

priestrape		2007-05-09 05:34:17 PM

Speaking of good drummers, I'll be seeing this one play at Fenway Park in July....there's a couple of other guys in the band, too....can't recall their names.

www.moderndrummer.com

beer4breakfast		2007-05-09 05:34:31 PM

Natural Science is still the best Rush song ever.

Wild Bluebonnet		2007-05-09 05:34:37 PM

Agreed. Rush is teh suck. Just like the Beatles, they captured a moment in time, neither were groundbreaking musicians. They just hit you when you were 16.

/adjusts the Go-Go's onion belt

shipofthesun		2007-05-09 05:34:56 PM

ccguy: Digital Man needs to pick on someone his own size. Like Genesis' Man on the Corner.

Hell with that. We need to get Gentle Giant drunk.

Saarus		2007-05-09 05:35:41 PM

JDAT 2007-05-09 05:28:16 PM
If Neil Peart is so good then why is he still playing the SAME FRIGGEN SOLO!!!! Hasn't shanged in 30 years.

Huh? Every concert I've ever been to (every one since Roll the Bones somewhen around '91-'92), the drum solo has changed. It is constantly changing, throwing out old bits, adding in new pieces, transitions, etc.

So, I say again... Huh?

Wild Bluebonnet		2007-05-09 05:36:00 PM

Smells like Teen Spirit? Yep, it sucks too.

tarkus1980		2007-05-09 05:36:37 PM

Huh? Every concert I've ever been to (every one since Roll the Bones somewhen around '91-'92), the drum solo has changed. It is constantly changing, throwing out old bits, adding in new pieces, transitions, etc.

So, I say again... Huh?

To be fair, the drum solo as recorded on live albums hasn't changed in any noticable fashion over the years.

Vosh		2007-05-09 05:36:45 PM

trapped-in-CH

What's wrong with Prussian Blue?

/just kidding ;) The population has become large enough that there is a lucrative market for just about anything

shipofthesun		2007-05-09 05:37:12 PM

priestrape: Speaking of good drummers, I'll be seeing this one play at Fenway Park in July....there's a couple of other guys in the band, too....can't recall their names.

Got to see him and Stanley Clarke in Animal Logic, at the Cotton Club here in Atlanta. Stood about 6 ft. away from them on that side of the stage all night. Un-farking-believable.

MoonTzu		2007-05-09 05:37:25 PM

brap: Now's as good a time as ever for brap's recycled Neil Pert Drum-set schematic...

Impressive but could use more cowbell.

/YYZ solo kicked ass

nopokerface		2007-05-09 05:38:30 PM

shipofthesun

I understand what you mean, but what I always liked about Rush was, the dichotomy of the music and the lyrics. The music is very precise and almost cold, but the lyrics made me think about things that other popular music never evoked thought on. If their musings are shallow in your estimation, then I can see how they have nothing to offer you. But, the probing questions their lyrics asked, and often tried to answer with refreshing honesty, poised against a musical background which didn't seem to artificially try to influence how the listener felt about it, was attractive to me.

stvdallas		2007-05-09 05:39:29 PM

Oh...and my favorite lyrics are definately from Natural Science...

When the ebbing tide retreats
Along the rocky shoreline
It leaves a trail of tidal pools
In a short-lived galaxy
Each microcosmic planet
A complete society

A simple kind mirror
To reflect upon our own
All the busy little creatures
Chasing out their destinies
Living in their pools
They soon forget about the sea...

Wheels within wheels
In a spiral array
A pattern so grand
And complex
Time after time
We lose sight of the way
Our causes cant see
Their effects

A quantum leap forward
In time and in space
The universe learned to expand

The mess and the magic
Triumphant and tragic
A mechanized world, out of hand

Computerized clinic
For superior cynics
Who dance to a synthetic band

In their own image
Their world is fashioned ---
No wonder they dont understand

Wheels within wheels
In a spiral array
A pattern so grand
And complex
Time after time
We lose sight of the way
Our causes cant see
Their effects

Science, like nature
Must also be tamed
With a view towards its preservation
Given the same
State of integrity
It will surely serve us well

Art as expression ---
Not as market campaigns
Will still capture our imaginations
Given the same
State of integrity
It will surely help us along

The most endangered species ---
The honest man
Will still survive annihilation
Forming a world ---
State of integrity
Sensitive, open, and strong

Wave after wave
Will flow with the tide
And bury the world as it does
Tide after tide
Will flow and recede
Leaving life to go on
As it was...

katzrc		2007-05-09 05:39:32 PM

Nice!

If you are on the fence about Rush, see them live. If you're on the fence about books, read Neil Peart's stuff. Fantasic.

July 20th at White River! WHOOOOO!

/misses Geddy's mullet
//not really

Hugh Jorgan		2007-05-09 05:42:33 PM

My favorite Rush music comes from the 80's. I think they meshed all the synth in with their music expertly.

//Subdivisions//

destitute college kid: You like Barry Manilow as I recall from a previous thread. Rush is way above you.

Uncle Bester		2007-05-09 05:42:37 PM

FriarReb98 2007-05-09 05:04:18 PM
priestrape: I love Geddy, Entwhistle is pretty good, but you're right. No one can top Jaco

Victor. Lamont. Wooten.

/enters the fray

Wild Bluebonnet		2007-05-09 05:42:55 PM

borist:

Ah, Rush. I remember when they didn't suck.

/I'm old.

That's ok borist, we're all old.

Although, there is one thing I want you to remember, that when we're all being piled into that mass grave - that you remember to take a bath before putting your naked body next to mine.

/and use deodorant
//thanks kids!

Saarus		2007-05-09 05:43:11 PM

shipofthesun 2007-05-09 05:32:35 PM

And is 100% Canadian government guaranteed soul free. Honestly, there is no feel to Rush music at all, that I can find. Sure they might be wonderful musicians, technically, but the goofiest kid with a two string guitar and a broken heart has more emotion than they do. I would rather listen to that kid try and express that emotion, than listen to Rush express their...obsessive attention to detail.

Hmmm... I agree that they are not "groovy" in the way that, say, Led Zeppelin was. However, I disagree that their music carries no emotional weight whatsoever. I think the emotional impact is in the lyrics, and I found (and still find) the musicians' technical skills and skills at arranging and playing music to be far superior to the music everyone else was listening to.

It's just really hard to explain. The arrangements, the music, the lyrics, the time changes, the skilled playing... it all works together for me. When I listen to them, even at 31, I just can't help but feeling that somehow, they understand, and it's very comforting.

Staryx		2007-05-09 05:43:49 PM

Peart's book "Ghost Rider- Travels on the Healing Road" is a pretty good read if you're a fan. Kind of gives you a glimpse into the mindset of someone who suffers such a catastrophic loss and various commentary on the places he traveled.

Also look for Neil's cameo in the "Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film For Theaters".

Nobody'sPerfekt		2007-05-09 05:43:56 PM

Seriously, how can you dis any power trio?

Bhasayate,

"Rush is adored by music fans who think that playing something fast and complicated is the very height of talent."

Maybe not the very height of talent, but it's damned impressive...and, technically, much more interesting to listen to than just power-chord rockers in 4-4 all the time. Also, any bass player that can play while he sings lead vocals makes my head hurt. After Geddy Lee and McCartney, the list gets harder to come up with. They have two brains or something...

"It would be incredibly boring if all bands sounded the same, right?"

Oh, good, we agree...

shipofthesun		2007-05-09 05:46:57 PM

nopokerface: But, the probing questions their lyrics asked, and often tried to answer with refreshing honesty, poised against a musical background which didn't seem to artificially try to influence how the listener felt about it, was attractive to me.

Well to each his own but frankly, the lyrics above just cement the fact that their lyrics(and by that I assume Peart) seem to be crafted with the same abilities and emotional resonance of a 10th grade science fair. Just the worst sort of juvenile writing. I don't mind science fiction themes, but man, move on with the ideas, there just-smoked-my-first-joint-and read I,Robot. Take a class or something.

stvdallas		2007-05-09 05:47:14 PM

Crap...I think I've figured out why some people hate Rush.

They haven't split up and had major fireworks between band members. Their guitarist doesn't snort the ashes of his father. They didn't slip a fish up a woman's cameltoe at a hotel in Seattle. They didn't have a band member go crazy or die an a tub of vomit.

Therefore, they have NO DRAMA within the band...so they must be boring.

Saarus		2007-05-09 05:47:18 PM

FWIW (nothing, probably ;), this is the first thread that has me hitting refresh over and over again, and I've been lurking for 4 years or so.

So props to smitty for getting a Rush thread greenlit!

Gsm136		2007-05-09 05:47:44 PM

trapped-in-CH

Are those the two Nazi's?

shadowself		2007-05-09 05:47:48 PM

I love Rush up until Moving Pictures. If they decide to play progressive rock again, please let me know.

Vosh		2007-05-09 05:49:26 PM

wildbluebonnet

Agreed. Rush is teh suck. Just like the Beatles, they captured a moment in time, neither were groundbreaking musicians. They just hit you when you were 16.

Phphhph! Dude, that can be said of all rocknroll! In the years since highschool, so called rock music sounds more and more like a basketball in a washing machine on spin cycle. It's for the kids. I get that. And there's no accounting for tastes. I get that. But the problem with lowest common denominator marketing is that pop. culture has become uglier and uglier until in the late 80's it became some gross, bilious, tar like substance of hate and ugliness that pools into a small lake and roams the country side stinking up the place. Rocknroll makes only those wearing the dumb t-shirts ugly. A thug with his pants around his knees and subwoofers turned up in his car makes the whole world, even an Eden, ugly. It may not even be true of the majority. It may only be temporary, like a flu. But in some way, the culture is sick.

unfurth		2007-05-09 05:50:05 PM

worst.singer.ever.

nopokerface		2007-05-09 05:50:28 PM

shipofthesun

Yes, I am not big on the Red Barchetta type stuff, but I liked Trees, and several others along those lines. Distant Early Warning sucked, so at least we can agree on something.

/Why listen to me, I liked the farkin Bulletboys

shipofthesun		2007-05-09 05:51:02 PM

shadowself: I love Rush up until Moving Pictures. If they decide to play progressive rock again, please let me know.

Ohh, you're one of the" I wish Rush would go back to being a third rate Led Zep instead of a third rate Police" guys, huh? Sorry, but after they made money going the Police way with New World Man, they got the bit in their teeth and got modern, baby. No turning back, because as we all know, "constant change is here today".

frodowarfinternets		2007-05-09 05:51:05 PM

this is the best thread EVER!

but, there are so many different opinions...conform or be cast out. (ba-del-da ba-del-da ba-del-da ba-del-da ba-del-da ba-del-da)

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