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(Fox News)   After Rush sells 84,000 copies of new record in first week, columist blames it on the publics' poor taste. Submitter says it's the blame of salesmen... OF SALESMEN!   (foxnews.com) divider line 443
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2007-05-09 05:05:32 PM
He must be living in the fish islands

/Or a fish-eye lens...your pick
 
2007-05-09 05:05:35 PM
Peart used to have this sick live setup that would rotate around him while he turned to the other side so he was always facing the crowd... that was about the most drums I've ever seen one dude have on stage at one time.
 
2007-05-09 05:05:44 PM
priestrape: Quiet...the adults are talking

In all fairness, the discussion was of rock bass players. Though Flea and Claypool both love Jaco, then again most bass players love Jaco. The adults talking thing? that's just unnecessary and pretentious.
 
2007-05-09 05:05:54 PM
IronchefSoulfood: Wouldn't a fake falseto be ...er real?

Right on. What does he want, Barry White?
 
2007-05-09 05:06:38 PM
Argue about Geddy being top 5 if you want, but don't make yourself a fool by comparing any drummer in popular music to Neil.
 
2007-05-09 05:06:54 PM
FriarReb98

Jaco Pastorius was better at playing bass than anyone else was at doing anything (to steal some sportwriter's line about Michael Jordan).

In the subjective area of musical taste, it is the one point that may not be debatable.
 
2007-05-09 05:07:41 PM
Just got the new album yesterday, no chance to listen to it yet. :(

Have seen them live a number of times, they sound amazing live....one of the few bands I've seen that sounds as good as, or better than, their studio sound.

/Neil is AMAZING to watch live
//Am under 30 yrs. old
///Don't care what others think about them, esp. some hack who knows nothing about the band
 
2007-05-09 05:07:59 PM
I am a female, and also younger than 30. I don't get the headline. Can someone explain?

Watch and learn or find the lyrics to "Spirit of Radio" -- it was slightly before our time but a song worth getting to know.
 
2007-05-09 05:08:34 PM
Just a little joke, WhyteRaven74. And I think Jaco's records with Joni Mitchell, among others, qualifies him as a rock bassist
 
2007-05-09 05:08:54 PM
how much you wanna bet this tool is a huge American Idol fan?
 
2007-05-09 05:09:06 PM
nopokerface

For me, Peart is the best techinical drummer...but John Bonham definately rocked at drums with more of a "feel".

Peart is beyond amazing though as far as what he can do with a drumset.
 
2007-05-09 05:09:41 PM
They did a rap bit on the song Roll the Bones from the album of the same name, therefore they suck completely.


/not anti-rap
//anti-Rush rapping
 
2007-05-09 05:09:49 PM
char_boy: What about Jaco Pastorious? Jeff Berlin? Charles Mingus?

Best bassist of all time right here:
www.4freeimagehost.com


She was so good, she didn't even have to play on half of her albums.
 
2007-05-09 05:10:55 PM
home.earthlink.net

"Very trippy, and I bet you listen to Rush, don't you."
 
2007-05-09 05:11:54 PM
img178.imageshack.us

/The columnist in question?
 
2007-05-09 05:12:25 PM
I just wanted to check. I haven't heard the album. Is it the usual collection of dimwitted SciFi plots, intermingled with Ayn Rand worship and deep social commentary, all set to bombastically, insanely, overly complicated retro popmetal? And is the Ugliest Woman In Rocktm still singing? Is Neil Peart still banging on every paint can and kettle drum he can find, and still not able to drop into a Charlie Watts backbeat to save is life? Juuuuuuuuuuuuust checking.
 
2007-05-09 05:12:31 PM
stvdallas 2007-05-09 05:09:06 PM

For me, Peart is the best techinical drummer...but John Bonham definately rocked at drums with more of a "feel"


I'm the biggest Rush fan in the world (seriously - look it up), but you are completely right about this.

Bonham had something that no other drummer has...goosebumps.

Although I think Peart (and the rest of the band, for that matter) gets a bum rap for being too technical. I think of the 'prog rock' bands (and Rush would probably not agree that they're a prog rock band), Rush had a lot more soul to their music...it wasn't 'math rock.'
 
2007-05-09 05:12:33 PM
Perhaps the author's moterlodge used to be a school.
 
2007-05-09 05:12:40 PM
ArugulaZ
They've had their chance in the limelight.

Seriously though, the columnist is right. Peoples' taste in music is nothing short of horrendous these days. It all started when the Spice Girls released their first album...


Psuedomusic started with The Monkeys. Now American Idol is what most Americans consider music, even though no one brings an instrument with them. Pop really did eat itself after all!

Oh and Rush motherfarking pwns face.
 
2007-05-09 05:12:58 PM
PATS0707
The Moose?
Stuart Morrow FTW!
 
2007-05-09 05:13:06 PM
Alex needs to put down the sammich
 
2007-05-09 05:13:37 PM
Argue about Geddy being top 5 if you want, but don't make yourself a fool by comparing any drummer in popular music to Neil.

Bill Bruford. I cannot fathom how somebody would consider Peart a superior drummer to Bruford. Red is the best drumming I've ever heard on a studio album, and the live album Absent Lovers has the best drumming I've EVER heard.
 
2007-05-09 05:13:41 PM
Yeah, some of those glam rock bands are "The Who" for back woods kkk membership havin' retards, but come on, RAP? RAP? Mean, nasty, and the real definition of UGLY. A thug shouting at you is now considered music!? STFU! Just STFUADIAF will you!

The link goes to a story about George Lucas calling another movie, "silly". He then said, "some people thought star wars was silly... but it wasn't". Does Lucas sleep in a chamber filled with liquid fatuousness and then spend the day coming up with ways to make the whole world a paradise for fatuous dorks? I no longer believe it is possible to say something so unbelievable that the world will implode. I no longer think that can happen.
 
2007-05-09 05:13:57 PM
I must have been the world's biggest Rush fan in college - I liked them a hell of a lot better than all those bands that college kids are supposed to like, largely because they're very good at what they do. They lost me after "Roll the Bones". May have to give this record and "Vapor Trails" a listen-to.

I tend to agree with what others have said, in that they're not for everybody, and never will get any love from the critics - they're just not that kind of band.
 
2007-05-09 05:14:58 PM
nopokerface: but don't make yourself a fool by comparing any drummer in popular music to Neil.

Except for John Bonham, Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell and Alex van Halen...

priestrape: Just a little joke,

gotcha :) around here, sometimes hard to tell who's joking and who's being serious with some comments. And yeah making records with Joni Mitchell would qualify him as a rock bassists definitely.

logruszed: They did a rap bit on the song Roll the Bones from the album of the same name, therefore they suck completely.

Well there's a way to be openminded. Nevermind talking along to music has been around, hmmm, 700 or 800 years, at least.
 
2007-05-09 05:15:02 PM
Snakes and Arrows is (imho) the best album Rush has produced in the past 20 years. I do like the last 20 years of Rush, Snakes and Arrows is just better.

One caveat, Snakes and Arrows does require a few listenings, but so do most complex albums. Their new song "The Way the Wind Blows" is reminiscent of their 1970's work, their very best 1970's work. In my mind, it could be one of the 10 best songs Rush has ever produced.

And unlike that last few Rush albums, this album has great production and real dynamic range.

From me it gets a 9 out of 10.
 
2007-05-09 05:15:07 PM
shipofthesun- I think Fox has an opening for a person with that kind of turn of phrase.

/if it's a troll...8.7
 
2007-05-09 05:15:20 PM
The writer stares with glassy eyes
defies the empty page
His beard is white
His face is lined
And streaked with tears of rage

Thirty years ago
how the words would flow
With passion and precision
But now is mind is dark and dulled
By sickness and indecision


-- "Losing It", lyr. by Neil Peart
 
2007-05-09 05:15:25 PM
>nirwana 2007-05-09 04:49:22 PM
>I see them every year. I just heart Rush
>
>/Milwaukee's Summerfest FTW


See you in Sept!!!
/even though Summerfest is long over by then
//still on Summerfest grounds however
///Marcus Amphitheatre FTW
 
2007-05-09 05:15:29 PM
char_boyWhat about Jaco Pastorious? Jeff Berlin? Charles Mingus?

Geddy Lee is ok, and so is Neal Peart, but they're just a lot of flash. There are are a lot of better musicians out there.


Not that music should be a competitive sport, but for sheer draw-dropping, OMFG! bass playing, everyone should catch a solo performance by Michael Manring (yes, the Windham Hill guy).

Billy Sheehan is unbelievably amazing as well.

(oh, and "Hemispheres" is my favorite Rush album)

J. D.
 
2007-05-09 05:15:34 PM
As a bass player, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But, seriously, Geddy Lee is a damn good bass player. His lines are very melodic and he has a good sense of syncopation. He CAN play more 'traditionally', sure, but then it wouldn't be Rush, would it? (Check out his early stuff -- especially their first. He plays in a more bluesy, Led Zep style.) He also appears on a James Jamison (why, he is the bass player from the famous Funk Brothers, the Motown session band) instruction tape (well, i have the tape) and nails the song. He's got the funk, too, people.

Anyway, yeah, he's a damn good bass player.

My top 5 bass players, in no particular order:

Les Claypool
Geddy Lee
Sting (yeah, i know, but he's got sense of what to play and what not to play.)
Flea
Doug Pinnick (the dood from King's X)
 
2007-05-09 05:15:50 PM
....and the meek shall inherit the Earth.

dun dun da dun, da dun da dun...da dunn, da dunn, dunn dunn.
 
2007-05-09 05:16:14 PM
My cousin and I (both girls) would travel for hours to see Rush when I was in high school and college. And yeah, we definitely got hit on by some of the braver dorks in the crowd. Luckily for them, we like dorks.

I will choose a path that's clear, I will... ah, you know the rest.

/First concert ever was Roll The Bones
//My friends in high school liked rap, I liked Rush
///Dork Superconductor?
 
2007-05-09 05:16:32 PM
Can I just go on record and say...

Rush
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Yes
Genesis

All of these bands have exceptional talent that pretty much makes me laugh at how pitiful most modern artists are these days.
 
2007-05-09 05:16:33 PM
priestrape
Quiet...the adults are talking

QFT

Lets just hope Geddy doesn't get beaten to death by a bouncer
 
2007-05-09 05:17:11 PM
tarkus1980: Bill Bruford.

Christ a'mighty YES. heh. The work on Fragile and the live version of America? The entire farking Discipline album? Peart dreams of being that polyrhythmic.
 
2007-05-09 05:17:13 PM
Rush hasn't been relevant since..well... ever.

Rush is adored by music fans who think that playing something fast and complicated is the very height of talent. Kind of like saying you don't like food unless it is hard to prepare, or you don't like novels unless the author could type really frickin fast.

Emotionless, insipid, geeky, wank-rock, Rush is.

Rush fans should all be forced to listen to the first three Ramones albums over and over again until they can explain why Johnny/Joey/Dee Dee's lack of technical musicianship doesn't matter.
 
2007-05-09 05:17:13 PM
Yay for same article posted twice in one day.

/submitted this with a better headline
//why does Fox News hate "Freewill?"
 
2007-05-09 05:17:24 PM
this thread made me listen to rush right now. i'm glad.
 
2007-05-09 05:17:26 PM
Someone should check with the RIAA and make sure those 84,000 copies were really paid for - I've heard rumors about illegal downloading...
 
2007-05-09 05:17:37 PM
+1. great headline.
 
2007-05-09 05:18:25 PM
shipofthesun: Is Neil Peart still banging on every paint can and kettle drum he can find,

Here he is playing a 4 piece kit (pops)
 
2007-05-09 05:18:38 PM
Adman12:

Snickelfritz: I don't understand that Tom Sawyer song.

So what you're saying is that you don't understand society?

Catch the mist. Catch the myth. Catch the mystery, catch the drift.



What's to catch? I remember their music and it sucked just as hard back then as it does today. Loud and obnoxious.

Give me some Chrissie Hynde or Belinda Carlisle, now those were the days.

/adjusts onion from her belt
 
2007-05-09 05:18:48 PM
Fark Rush. Their music blows and the lead singer always sounded like a chick.
 
2007-05-09 05:19:27 PM
Columnist is quite convinced he's right.

Someone post that 'retard' jpeg for the fox columnist.

/Loves new album.
//feel like I should throw in some obligatory rush lyrics
///Screaming oppression and shaking his head
 
2007-05-09 05:19:48 PM
Btw...I just want to give a little love for the "Feedback" album, which was a cover album of a lot of classic songs.

I loved the cover of "The Seeker".
 
2007-05-09 05:19:56 PM
bubbaprog:

I think your sarcasm detector is broken re: females under 30 and Rush.

priestrape:

"Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" FTW!
 
2007-05-09 05:21:34 PM
Rush fans should all be forced to listen to the first three Ramones albums over and over again until they can explain why Johnny/Joey/Dee Dee's lack of technical musicianship doesn't matter.

QFT. I like prog more than anybody I know in person (though much less than a lot of people I know online, heh), but I can't take seriously a prog fan who hates the early Ramones albums (I'd include Road to Ruin in the list as well).
 
2007-05-09 05:21:46 PM
Come on, it's so obvious Roger Friedman was a Flock of Seagulls fan in high school and still feels miffed that the prog rock fans made fun of his hairdo and never let him party in the back of the van.
 
2007-05-09 05:21:58 PM
Otto_von_Prawn 2007-05-09 05:17:13 PM
Rush hasn't been relevant since..well... ever.

FALSE!

Rush is adored by music fans who think that playing something fast and complicated is the very height of talent. Kind of like saying you don't like food unless it is hard to prepare, or you don't like novels unless the author could type really frickin fast.

Have you heard much Rush? I mean, really. They have songs of the sort you mention, but more mellow, slower one's, too. Some music is slow tempo, with less notes, some fast, with more notes? Who cares if it's good? Sheesh.

Emotionless, insipid, geeky, wank-rock, Rush is.

Rush fans should all be forced to listen to the first three Ramones albums over and over again until they can explain why Johnny/Joey/Dee Dee's lack of technical musicianship doesn't matter.

Different style, that's all. I'm a fan of Rush and the Ramones. I'm glad both are around. It would be incredibly boring if all bands sounded the same, right? It'd be just like contemporary radio, which I never listen to. I'll listen to classic rock and oldies stations, because most everything else is horse crap.

my 2 cents....
 
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