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(CBS4Denver - KCNC)   Denver police aren't allowed to ride motorcycles unless they write at least two tickets per hour   (cbs4denver.com) divider line 94
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2007-05-04 08:55:55 PM
Whatever happened to the Denver cycle cop that had "Highway Assassin" on his helmet?
 
2007-05-04 09:03:53 PM
Any cop in any large city who can't write five tickets an hour is a moran.
 
2007-05-04 09:11:31 PM
oldebayer
Any cop in any large city who can't write five tickets an hour is a moran.


I never got that, either. I can park myself next to any intersection in Manhattan and see at least one car go through a red light every five minutes. This people should be drowning in tickets.
 
2007-05-04 09:17:57 PM
In most towns it's obvious that it's not about public safety, it's about money.
 
2007-05-04 09:51:41 PM
But, but, but tickets are about safety.

1. Denver PD telling motorcycle cops to issue 2 tickets an hour.
2. New Jersey State Police telling NJ citizens to STFU about speeding the governor at 90 MPH or they'll give them speeding tickets.
3. Florida cops issuing tickets for a mysterious, disappearing "No Left Turn" sign - that no one is owning up to and that was placed on private property.

Oh, yea. Looks like a safety issue to me. Guess the cops figure people will drive safer if they're broke.

/Hey, bullshait ticket trifecta completed!
 
2007-05-04 09:56:42 PM
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2007-05-04 10:26:20 PM

there are some great quotes in this...

"They're making sure they're making money and that's not right," driver Dan Blanchard said. "They are going to pull people over for doing ten over, five over, whatever it is. That's not right."

ticketing people for breaking the law isn't 'right'. nice
driver Stephen Gulau said. "It's not giving someone a ticket because they broke the law; it's giving someone a ticket because they are supposed to give someone a ticket."

so they're not supposed to ticket people who break the law?

i'm not a fan of quotas or speed traps, but those two arguments are just idiotic
 
2007-05-04 10:30:12 PM
Since I see some idiot run a red light at nearly every intersection, two per hour seems just enough to keep things from turning into complete third world type traffic anarchy.
 
2007-05-04 10:40:05 PM
Pope George Ringo [TotalFark] 2007-05-04 10:30:12 PM
Since I see some idiot run a red light at nearly every intersection, two per hour seems just enough to keep things from turning into complete third world type traffic anarchy.


Something tells me third-world cops are far more efficient ticket-writers than Western cops. Only you don't get a receipt.
 
2007-05-04 11:08:26 PM
Cops are expected to make one "contact" per hour on average. But that's the car cops, who are often working on other things than traffic.

Motorcycle cops are ALL about traffic and tickets. Two per hour seems reasonable for them.
 
2007-05-04 11:10:07 PM
"To serve and protect"
is out
"To serve and collect"
is in
 
2007-05-04 11:12:46 PM
get off my lawn or i will have to issue you two citations
 
2007-05-04 11:13:38 PM
Tickets for running red lights and disobeying posted signs is one thing.

Getting two separate tickets at the same time for 5 over and some illegal lane change that can't be proven or disproven because the cop needs two tickets to fill his quota and it's 15 minutes before shift is up is completely something else.

Quotas are wrong, no matter what. Why not fire lazy cops who are obviously not doing their job properly? Because as others have said, it's not hard to drive a mile anywhere within a decently sized city and not see a handful of blatant lawbreakers who need to be ticketed.
 
2007-05-04 11:15:24 PM
Here's the biggest load of crap..

Asked if the quota system had increased the number of tickets written, Rubin said he had no figures readily available.

For someone that studies the numbers, he DAMN WELL knows if the number of tickets have increased...
 
2007-05-04 11:17:01 PM
I'm pretty sure that motorcycle cops who aren't writing two tickets per hour are slacking. It's not difficult.

If writing tickets is their primary job (traffic) and they're not doing it, what are they doing?

It isn't like these guys are responding to domestic calls, etc for most of their shift and then they try to sqeeze in a bunch of traffic tickets just to meet a quota.

I dislike getting tickets as much as anyone, but I've never been ticketed for something I didn't do.
 
2007-05-04 11:17:34 PM
thedodo: Why not fire lazy cops who are obviously not doing their job properly?

fair enough. how do you propose we establish whether a cop is doing his/her job properly? who judges that, and how?
 
2007-05-04 11:18:01 PM
I love the part where they expect all the cops to write an above average number of tickets.

/left end of the bell curve has to be there too.
//slashie virgin
 
2007-05-04 11:19:28 PM
Where I live the cops have a monthly quota, so if its the last week of the month don't even bother pulling out of your driveway.
 
2007-05-04 11:19:31 PM
"Why not fire lazy cops who are obviously not doing their job properly?"

And how do you judge that if not by some sort of metric, some standard, like, write an average of two tickers per hour? Got to put some kind of measurement somewhere.
 
2007-05-04 11:21:10 PM
Megain: fair enough. how do you propose we establish whether a cop is doing his/her job properly? who judges that, and how?

That's a very good question, and one I'll honestly admit I don't know the answer to. I just don't believe that a quota system, along with the built in expectation to EXCEED said quota is the proper way to enforce traffic law.

I can just speak from personal experience, but all the ones I've seen in the 'hideout' spots waiting to snag speeders who are asleep in their cars is a good place to start.
 
2007-05-04 11:21:35 PM
It seems that, like in most parts of the US, the primary job of police is to collect taxes. Or to put more of a pious spin on it, "traffic enforcement". LOLZ.
 
2007-05-04 11:21:53 PM
oldebayer
Any cop in any large city who can't write five tickets an hour is a moran.


Why do you hate donuts?
 
2007-05-04 11:26:18 PM
TFA:

"They're making sure they're making money and that's not right," driver Dan Blanchard said. "They are going to pull people over for doing ten over, five over, whatever it is. That's not right."

Actually, um, yes it is.
 
2007-05-04 11:29:05 PM
fair enough. how do you propose we establish whether a cop is doing his/her job properly? who judges that, and how?

We should treat all traffic cops in an egalitarian manner as if they are performing their duties properly unless actually shown that they are negligent.Trust them until we shouldnt. I propose that we pick some arbitrary road safety standard like number of accidents or traffic fatalities per million drivers. If the standard is met, fine. If it is not met hire more cops. If it is exceeded arbitrarily fire some of those ticket writing bastards.
 
2007-05-04 11:32:18 PM
thedodo: That's a very good question, and one I'll honestly admit I don't know the answer to.

thanks, and thank you for admitting that. i don't have any better ideas either, but i wanted you to think about it from a different angle

I can just speak from personal experience, but all the ones I've seen in the 'hideout' spots waiting to snag speeders who are asleep in their cars is a good place to start.

how often have you called the police to report this behavior?
 
2007-05-04 11:32:22 PM
mikaloyd: If it is exceeded arbitrarily fire some of those ticket writing bastards.

Somebody has never experienced a Reduction In Force.

"Say Jimmy! You've done a great job the past two years. Too good a job in fact. There were only 9 accidents per million motorists instead of 15. Your number came up, and you're now unemployed. Tell your wife and kids I'm sorry."

Yeah. People will REALLY want to work at a job where doing well can get you arbitrarily terminated.
 
2007-05-04 11:34:22 PM
Normally I would whine about this, but what cop can't catch more than this?

Fish in a bucket.
 
2007-05-04 11:35:55 PM
If you don't want to get pulled over, don't speed. If you want to take the risk, fine just don't biatch about it.
 
2007-05-04 11:37:10 PM
Where I live, the police officers don't generally ticket for five or ten over. It's the people doing twenty over in a residential area that get slapped with fines, which is fine by me. But our overnight parking enforcers must have absolutely sky-high quotas. I was out late one night (actually early in the morning) and stopped at a friend's house to hang out. As I was walking up to her front door, I watched a meter maid cruise by my car slowly, after they'd watched me getting out of the car. Twenty minutes later, I went back outside to find a $40 "unauthorized overnight parking" ticket on my windshield.
 
fj
2007-05-04 11:38:18 PM
Nope, there's no quota system. It's just a "measure of performance"

Move along, nothing to see here.
 
2007-05-04 11:42:02 PM
I know...others have already posted it, but it's so incredibly dumb I had to post it again.

FTA: "They're making sure they're making money and that's not right," driver Dan Blanchard said. "They are going to pull people over for doing ten over, five over, whatever it is. That's not right."

I hope people who know him and read the article are teasing him mercilessly.
 
2007-05-04 11:42:10 PM
He said the increased pressure on his officers is aimed at reducing crashes and promoting public safety. He said the ticket writing quota is not an effort to increase revenues for the city.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2007-05-04 11:44:51 PM
Megain: but i wanted you to think about it from a different angle

Welcome. And I do understand the merits of setting a goal and/or quota system, but I've yet to see a quota system in place that didn't come with that requirement to exceed the number.

how often have you called the police to report this behavior?

Four times. I'm not sure whatever happened to the two guys(I'm guessing it was two guys, all I had was the two car # to report), but the eventual result was the city just started parking an empty car at random points on the median for the next 6 months instead of actually hiding and sniping.
 
2007-05-04 11:46:25 PM
artichokes

So you parked your car illegally, watched a cop check it out and your retarded ass got a ticket? What's your point.
 
2007-05-04 11:48:39 PM
As traditional methods of funding dry up, ie: tax levies, property assessments, and ultimately highway taxes(fuel taxes), "big brother" does seem to get just a bit hungrier. Since the advent of removing "To Serve and Protect" from the rear of City, County, and State Troopers vehicles in the state of Colorado, it seems that they have effectively positioned themselves on the food chain right along with those pesky insurance companies and the oil companies as well. I believe we need big brother, but we don't want him sitting down at our dinner table with us every day though. Just imagine what 24 hours would be like without them. I don't believe the quota system is really designed just for measuring performance any more than if everyone was good, they wouldn't have anything to do either. I'm sure they would just follow us around and just watch us...right?
 
2007-05-04 11:49:09 PM
ban_sidhe: I hope people who know him and read the article are teasing him mercilessly.

I'm not sure where most people posting in this thread live, but I've never been anywhere where anyone was ticketed for 5~10 over...in my observation, everyone in the 1/3rd of the country I've been to drives around ~10 over everywhere, unless it's a residential or school area. I-10 regularly hits 100+ on a limit of 75, metro Jacksonville or Atlanta regularly hit 90+ on a 55. If people out there really get ticketed on the freeways or main drags or interstates for going only 5 or 10 over, it's insane and I feel for them.
 
2007-05-04 11:49:35 PM
To all the people calling the guy in the article an idiot: he's right. Cops aren't supposed to pull over for anything up to 10 over, because of speedometer error, and the general speed law. If everyone is going 10 over, such as on the interstate, then unless the cop can pull over EVERYONE, he has to STFU and GBTW.

So, if a cop pulls you over for going 65 in a 60, it's not right. Technically it is a minor infraction, but they're not supposed to pull you over and write a ticket for it. It's a waste of time when there are actual bad drivers out there.
 
2007-05-04 11:50:20 PM
Photoman_va26: fair enough. how do you propose we establish whether a cop is doing his/her job properly? who judges that, and how?

Shouldn't be hard for a good manager. If the manager needs to use a quota to accomplish this... not a good manager!
 
2007-05-04 11:51:51 PM
Sgt. Expendable

Yeah. People will REALLY want to work at a job where doing well can get you arbitrarily terminated.

Field workers from Mexico illegally cross the border by the millions for just that opportunity.. When the lettuce is picked they no longer have jobs.When a task is accomplished there's no reason to keep doing it over and over and over except as busy work. There is no good reason to keep around more traffic cops than you need, is there? Or should "police officer" be a lifetime position with generous benefits and salary like "supreme court justice" or "Queen of the Realm"?

Arbitrary firing isnt the basis of your username is it?
 
2007-05-04 11:54:06 PM
unless the cop can pull over EVERYONE

the best (well funniest) explanation i heard for this was when i guy claimed that the cop said "when you go fishing do you catch every fish in the pond?"

/not sure if it's true or not...or if it's even a good analogy, don't really care
//usually goes about 10 over
///apparently nothing to add to this discussion...
////yet still slashing?
 
2007-05-04 11:54:39 PM
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: And how do you judge that if not by some sort of metric, some standard, like, write an average of two tickers per hour? Got to put some kind of measurement somewhere.

In a lot of jobs, sure. But not for a traffic cop. Cause the problem with metrics is that no matter how hard you want to tell your guys it isn't about numbers, at the end of the day it is about numbers. Then cops start giving tickets they normally wouldn't and people don't like that!

I would think the best measurement for the performance of a traffic cop would be based on percentage of convictions and lack of complaints. Especially if they involved abusing authority. Last thing you need is heat or a lawsuit on your team.

/of course, I don't work in the ticket writing industry
 
2007-05-04 11:55:40 PM
Megain

Thanks for being the voice of reason on this one.

There have to be measurable performance statistics for any occupation. If the motorcycle cops' job is to monitor traffic safety, then the number of tickets they issue is good (not great) indicator of what they're doing with their day.

I love it when people get tickets and complain, "Why did he give ME the ticket? I was going the same speed as everyone else." I heard a cop tell my newly ticketed friend:

"Ever go fishing? Ever catch all of the fish?"
 
2007-05-04 11:56:03 PM
thedodo: but I've yet to see a quota system in place that didn't come with that requirement to exceed the number.
ftfa:
No officers have been disciplined or transferred for missing their ticket writing quota, according to Rubin.

harsh treatment for not meeting a 'requirement'
Four times.

damn. i was just being snarky, but kudos. i'm usually just too happy that they didn't catch me speeding to do much else
 
2007-05-04 11:56:30 PM
calebcharles: TFA:

"They're making sure they're making money and that's not right," driver Dan Blanchard said. "They are going to pull people over for doing ten over, five over, whatever it is. That's not right."

Actually, um, yes it is.


Maybe in a suburban or downtown area. But I get the feeling they are talking about going 5 or 10 over on the interstate. That is like doing 37 in a 35 zone. Do you think one deserves a ticket for that one?
 
2007-05-04 11:57:26 PM
RedShoes

WOOT! it was true and i beat you to your own story

/off to buy lotto tickets
 
2007-05-04 11:58:55 PM
Fock the police
 
2007-05-05 12:00:05 AM
thedodo and TheRaven7

I went to traffic school a couple of months ago for the first time in my life (no, I wasn't speeding). At the beginning of class, everyone explained what offense they were ticketed for. Most of them were speeding, with the "winner" of the group going 35 mph over the limit. There were a number of people (~12) ticketed for going less than 10 mph over the limit.

Some people in class protested that cops "aren't supposed to" give tickets unless you're 10 mph over. The ex-cop teaching the class laughed heartily and told them that's an urban legend. If you're over the speed limit, you can get a ticket.

He did explain that most cops don't bother unless you're at least 5 mph over, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. If you're over the speed limit, you're breaking the law.

As for the "B...b...but differences in speedometers" argument, he laughed at that also and said it is the driver's responsibility to make sure his speedometer is in working order.
 
2007-05-05 12:00:50 AM
SAvoodoo

Well played, my friend.

As difficult as their jobs are, you have to appreciate a witty policeman.

/tries to avoid police at all costs on my crotch rocket
 
2007-05-05 12:01:12 AM
calebcharles: I propose that we pick some arbitrary road safety standard like number of accidents or traffic fatalities per million drivers.

That's a good point. If it wasn't about money but about safety, as the copper in TFA insisted, then why don't they use THIS to evaluate performance?
 
2007-05-05 12:01:53 AM
RedShoes

very true...and fortunately enough for me i've never had the experience dealing with one, witty or not :)
 
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