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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Today's report that pulls number out of thin air says that stay at home moms are worth more than their husbands who are busting their ass to feed that bonbon eating machine   (startribune.com) divider line 247
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2007-05-02 06:37:53 PM
These studies are always fun. They list jobs like 'psychologist'. Now how much would you really pay a person claiming to be a pyschologist but who had no formal training? Would it be the same as you'd pay a fully trained psychologist.

If a stay-at-home mother discusses her kids problems with another parent is she actually getting a professional consultation? Would that consultation fee be deducted from her yearly income?

If the mother was making $140k a year doing these jobs, how much would the family spend hiring other people to do those jobs at her own home? By this logic, it would be $140k, and a wash.
 
2007-05-02 06:41:15 PM
So if dumb old dad stays home instead, then mom can go out and bring down that amount? great!
 
2007-05-02 06:44:32 PM
This opens up new jobs on my resume too.

I mow the lawn.... Landscape Architect

I change lightbulbs and switches... Electrical Technician

Fix leaky faucets and clogged drains ... Plumber

Kill spiders ... Exterminator


Wow, I must be a millionaire.
 
2007-05-02 07:06:59 PM
So nuking a can of Beefaroni is all you have to do to be an Executive Chef?
 
2007-05-02 07:54:00 PM
That certainly was a pulled-out-of-the-ass number.
Nonetheless, the whole stay at home mom thing is an extremely difficult and underappreciated gig.

TO MOMS!
 
2007-05-02 08:03:48 PM
While I agree that there are plenty of SAHMs that spend too much time in front of the TV and think that Mac N Cheese and hot dogs are a good lunch, there are some of us that work our butts off being parents. I put a lot of thought and effort into parenting my kids - I cook the majority of our meals, which are nutritious and well balanced, I spend a lot of active time with them, we play outside whenever the weather is good, we go for a walk almost every day, we read, we play "educational" games, we read books, etc. They are allowed to watch an occasional cartoon (especially right now - they're sick), but we are not glued to the TV all day.

So if dumb old dad stays home instead, then mom can go out and bring down that amount? great!

I am just as qualified as my husband for his job - we are both certified music teachers. I stay home because I lactate and he does not.
 
2007-05-02 08:06:17 PM
we read, we play "educational" games, we read books,

I've had about 14 hours of sleep in the last three days. Please excuse my redundancy.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2007-05-02 08:10:48 PM
The government uses the same trick to inflate the damage caused by car accidents in order to justify greater regulation. Part of the economic loss calculation assumes that every day you are out of work due to injury you are hiring professionals to run your house at a rate that probably adds up to over $100K per year.
 
2007-05-02 08:13:51 PM
Pfft... just tell mom to hire herself an illegal with all that fat cash just laying around.
 
2007-05-02 08:25:26 PM
All the things I do that aren't my job are worth $200,000 a year, because I say so. So take that. In your face, moms!
 
2007-05-02 09:05:29 PM
Not totally on point, but I'm tired of hearing how stay at home mothers are so underappreciated and have such a hard gig. Working mothers have to do all the same stuff and hold down a job at the same time. Not working wouldn't somehow add to my responsibilities, it would be a relief.
 
2007-05-02 09:13:52 PM
ok ill let her feed the family from now on.. we should be fine, right?
 
2007-05-02 09:15:31 PM
Agree with itsdan, living your life isn't a JOB, it's called LIFE!

You don't get paid to live.
 
2007-05-02 09:16:29 PM
No sammich is worth that much ...
 
2007-05-02 09:16:29 PM
I stay home because I lactate and he does not.

Has he tried hormone treatments?
 
2007-05-02 09:16:33 PM
itsdan
These studies are always fun. They list jobs like 'psychologist'. Now how much would you really pay a person claiming to be a pyschologist but who had no formal training? Would it be the same as you'd pay a fully trained psychologist.


Ohhh, I don't know. Dr. Phil had formal training.
 
2007-05-02 09:17:07 PM
Well, I think the moms are work between $47.13 and $397.48 per year, depending if they can put their ankles behind their head.
Other than that, GTFO.
 
2007-05-02 09:17:21 PM
I run my household and all the land in my possession and all occupants of that land. Guess that makes me a King. What is the average income of a King?
 
2007-05-02 09:18:05 PM
Unfortunately, all the various hats I wear are innately worthless, for I haven't spawned the golden loinfruit.

Maybe I should cut some breeder's lawn or open Beefaroni cans for fat stax of cash!

//Feh. BS numbers.
 
2007-05-02 09:18:42 PM
johnnyrocket
Agree with itsdan, living your life isn't a JOB, it's called LIFE!

You don't get paid to live.


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2007-05-02 09:19:02 PM
Things are worth precisely what they can be sold for.
-Sir Edward Coke

Most 3 month old babies can't afford to pay a six figure salary.
 
2007-05-02 09:19:47 PM
They DO get paid. Their payment is just in the form of having a roof over their head, food on the table, and clothes on their back.
 
2007-05-02 09:21:03 PM
Wow, how much more am I really "making"?

I drive myself to and from work daily. What if I had a driver in a limo do that for me? That must be worth 20-30K a year or something.

I generally spend about three dollars a day to make lunch. What if I had a professional chef make me lunch every day at a cost of 30-50 dollars...There's another 20K or so.

Most people do the same exact things that at home mothers do...minus the kids...every single day. Sorry, but taking care of your own children isn't worth 100K a year. You chose to have them and they provide most parents with great joy, which is "priceless", right?
 
2007-05-02 09:21:53 PM
I saw a study that put the figure at around $35-50,000 by taking into account only the things that stay at home mothers do that they wouldn't do if they were working elsewhere.

Basically the fee it would take to maintain the house and nurse the kids if she was working outside instead.

I believe $35-50K more.
 
2007-05-02 09:22:12 PM
How much do you get paid to work for the Associated Press and rewrite press releases from Salary.com? That's a gig I wouldn't mind having.
 
2007-05-02 09:24:47 PM
Geez, don't let me wife find out about this. She is self-righteous enough about her noble sacrifice as it is. You know, the sacrifice that involved her quitting her full time job and taking long naps in the afternoon, while I am chained to a desk in a cubicle...
 
2007-05-02 09:25:18 PM
srhp29: I drive myself to and from work daily. What if I had a driver in a limo do that for me? That must be worth 20-30K a year or something.

I generally spend about three dollars a day to make lunch. What if I had a professional chef make me lunch every day at a cost of 30-50 dollars...There's another 20K or so.


Good stuff, those are exactly the types of calculations they're using.

I wipe my ass everytime I poop. I imagine it would cost $10,000/year at least for me to get myself an on-call poop-wiping service.
 
2007-05-02 09:25:23 PM
Stay at home moms are important.
Working dads are important.
The converse is also true.
Let's quit fighting over which is more important, the answer is neither. Your marriage is (or should be) a partnership in which both of you contribute and get satisfaction, you should respect each other and the contributions made.
 
2007-05-02 09:25:35 PM
Because nothing says "I love you, Mom" like a condescending treatment by a bunch of academic windbags.
 
2007-05-02 09:27:26 PM
the work of a stay-at-home mom would command an annual salary of more than $138,000

Divide that number by 6 and it's much more realistic, IMO.
 
2007-05-02 09:27:27 PM
ListeningOrang:
Not totally on point, but I'm tired of hearing how stay at home mothers are so underappreciated and have such a hard gig. Working mothers have to do all the same stuff and hold down a job at the same time. Not working wouldn't somehow add to my responsibilities, it would be a relief.


Only single working mothers have to do all the same stuff, too. Well, single working mothers and mothers who for some reason are remaining married to assholes.
 
2007-05-02 09:28:25 PM
sirgrim made me LOL.

I appreciate what SAHMs do, but I'm glad most of us agree that these numbers are completely inane. I appreciate even more the work done by working moms who manage to hold down a job and raise kids, all without overinflating their home duties.
 
2007-05-02 09:28:29 PM
***
"He was like, 'They had to do it really quick before the end of the day.'"
***

OK, now find the error in that sentence.
 
2007-05-02 09:29:26 PM
It's been fun until now, but now I feel I should collect my hard earned $15,000/year for all the freelance writing I do for Fark.
 
2007-05-02 09:29:38 PM
mryoop789
Nonetheless, the whole stay at home mom thing is an extremely difficult and underappreciated gig.

That's all that needs to be said.
 
2007-05-02 09:29:42 PM
According to MY latest study, laying on the couch browsing Fark is worth $150 an hour.
 
2007-05-02 09:30:20 PM
gah, wrong link clicked. Busy with cat showing love with her damn sharp claws in my leg. I give up.
 
2007-05-02 09:30:40 PM
But if they raise a "Cho" they actually OWE!
 
2007-05-02 09:30:55 PM
that's odd. I bet one could hire a maid or baby sitter for 15 to 20 dollars an hour to do all the momming for you, and it'd cost 46 to 60 grand a year for 60 hours a week.

do not believe article's #
 
2007-05-02 09:31:44 PM
Don't forget professional courtesan.

Because I farked your mom yesterday.
 
2007-05-02 09:33:29 PM
RockIsDead: According to MY latest study, laying on the couch browsing Fark is worth $150 an hour.

That's right, fellow internet analyst!

/that's a real job
 
2007-05-02 09:33:39 PM
There was a debate on the radio here a few years ago, which summarized this pretty well. A guy called in and explained the difference between bread-winning in an external workplace and homemaking:

Commenting as if to his wife, he said: "You spend your day with 2 family members you love, I spend my day with 40 acquaintences who give me the shiats!"

Point is, I just think staying at home looking after the kids is a different aspect of life to paid work outside the home. As a poster above said, if all the DIY home maintenance that many husbands do was done by professional tradespeople, that would be quite expensive too. This is not to put down the work of stay-at-home mums at all, just to point out that it's a tad unfair to itemise what they do and mentally bill it as if professionals had been brought in to do all those tasks. It's just not how life works.

I do agree that stay-at-home mums are unappreciated, but I just don't think that putting a dry monetary value on their work is appropriate. Given that a big part of spending time with children involves doing things out of love, I'd almost classify putting a monetary value on this work as a kind of "prostitution", ie "buying" the work and time of giving your children love and attention as you raise them.

/Still thinks stay-at-home mums should be appreciated more.
//But not in this out of context way.
 
2007-05-02 09:34:07 PM
So if we create a dollar value and add it to the employment stats to make the jobless rate better, the next step will be to create a tax structure based on what you "should" be making.

At that rate of salary, stay at home moms owe the IRS about $25-$30K a year.

/tell me someone in DC isn't working on it!!
//imputed tax anyone?
 
2007-05-02 09:34:27 PM
They seem to get these numbers by assuming full time professional pay for part-time amateur work. But driving the kids to school doesn't make you a full-time chauffeur. Planting shrubs doesn't make you a landscape architect. Cooking dinner is not the same as being a full-time chef.

Am I Captain Obvious yet, or still just a Lt.?
 
2007-05-02 09:35:20 PM
Reeepeeeeaaaat
 
2007-05-02 09:35:46 PM
Methinks submitter has a few issues.

While there are certainly deadbeat stay-at-homes (of both genders, actually) there are plenty who also _do_ work their butts off, and often do at least physically harder work for longer hours than most office jobs.

The real issue, though, is why should anyone feel sorry for you if you married a worthless lump. _You_ married her. No one forced you to and no one's forcing you to stay. Sure, maybe she 'changed' after you married her... or maybe you didn't bother to actually get to know her first. Or maybe you married her based entirely upon her 34DD boobs and her ability to give a good blowjob and never considered what life would be like down the road. Oh farking well, boohoo for you, dumbass. If you guys started choosing your supposed _lifemates_ based upon how much you had in common, how similar your beliefs were, how much you enjoyed doing the same things together, how trustworthy, hard-working, loving, and compassionate they were, and how much what they wanted out of life matched what you wanted out of life, then you wouldn't be stuck with empty headed technophobe aging bimbos who want to be pampered and laze about like the trophy girlfriend they once were. Get over yourselves, grow a pair of balls, and _leave_ if you're that farking miserable, but the whining about it has become way more than 'old'. It's farking prehistoric.
 
2007-05-02 09:37:11 PM
www.bundyology.com

Bonbon eating machine.
 
2007-05-02 09:37:25 PM
In my opinion a stay at home parent is worth exactly what it would cost to put the kids in day care. No more no less. Everything else a stay at home parent does (cleaning, cooking, ect) is also done by working parents. Working parents just get it done in a shorter amount of time.
 
2007-05-02 09:37:42 PM
I drive myself to and from work daily. What if I had a driver in a limo do that for me? That must be worth 20-30K a year or something.

Oh, I see how this works. Okay, let's see what MY non-work life is really worth:

Make my own breakfast; i.e., private chef: $40K
Drive myself to/from work; i.e., private chauffeur: $40K
Bath and dress myself; i.e., personal nurse: $60K
Maintain my home PC; i.e., private IT consultant: $75K
Listen to the wife biatch; i.e., psychologist: $90K
Fix stuff around the house; i.e., handyman: $45K
Treat cuts, bruises, etc; i.e., personal physician: $150K
Change the oil in the car; i.e., personal mechanic: $50K

That's $550K on top of what I make at the office. I should be pulling down over half a million a year! Where's my money, dammit?!

/rolls eyes
 
2007-05-02 09:38:48 PM
Velvet_Wood

Um, are you sure that smitty is the only one with issues?
 
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