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(Wired)   If it walks, talks and smells like a federal ID card, well then, it must be a federal ID card   (wired.com) divider line 141
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2007-05-02 10:27:44 AM
Yeah... great idea. But who is going to pay for the administration of a database of that size. The only other databases that are that big are run by the credit monitoring companies... and if you have ever gotten you credit report you know how farked up that data about you can be.

What is to guarantee that your data in this National ID database is going to remain consistent and valid? How much is it going to cost to maintain a National ID database and keep it up-to-date? How are we going to maintain funding for a database that will constantly be growing and becoming more complex as time goes on?
 
2007-05-02 10:34:07 AM
Code_Archeologist: What is to guarantee that your data in this National ID database is going to remain consistent and valid? How much is it going to cost to maintain a National ID database and keep it up-to-date? How are we going to maintain funding for a database that will constantly be growing and becoming more complex as time goes on?

Not to mention all the possible security issues that could happen. What will happen if someone steals your identity? I imagine this would only make it easier to steal.
 
2007-05-02 10:41:06 AM
"States Rights", my ass.
 
2007-05-02 10:46:06 AM
Anytime some bureaucrat quotes an estimated cost, you know it's a lie, and will cost 10X what they say it will cost.

Someone que the Iraq Disinformation Minister.
 
2007-05-02 10:47:54 AM
National ID? How horrible. Now where did I put my passport?


/This is a dumb idea and a huge waste of taxpayer funds.
 
2007-05-02 10:48:49 AM
Do not want.
 
2007-05-02 10:57:55 AM
FTFA: For its part, DHS made its case with little subtlety. "A fraudulent ID card in the hands of a terrorist is a weapon," said Barth, sitting under a projection of 9/11 terrorist Mohamed Atta's Florida driver's license.

Um, except that Atta actually GOT a VALID and LEGAL Florida DL from the Lauderdale Lakes DMV office.
 
2007-05-02 11:16:50 AM
I'm fine with this just as soon as the Feds show me exactly where in the Constitution they have the power to do it.
 
2007-05-02 11:18:39 AM
Not only is Real ID a dance on the grave of the Tenth Amendment, it's just going to put a greater tax burden on the states to serve under the guise of anti-terr'ism.
 
2007-05-02 11:21:25 AM
It's the only thing that can protect us from the evil terrorists!
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2007-05-02 11:22:13 AM
But, but, but I thought that the Republican Administration was for "small government"? Don't tell me I was mistaken.
 
2007-05-02 11:23:12 AM
www.alicia-logic.com
MUL-TI-PASS.
 
2007-05-02 11:24:08 AM
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2007-05-02 11:28:40 AM
Nice touch with the "Democrat: No voting priveleges"
 
2007-05-02 11:31:13 AM
i155.photobucket.com

Ron Paul opposes the Real ID act.

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2007-05-02 11:32:06 AM
I have been against this stupidity from the start. The government has no right to do this and its a severe waste of our tax money. Luckily there are several groups fighting it.

And frankly I don't like the possible meanings of the following line from the DHS asshat Barth. "We are trying to make sure no state is the weakest link in letting people do things they shouldn't do, whether that is boarding an airplane, or any other activity we want to prevent," he said. "This is not a national ID card."

Notice how it doesn't say anything about stopping terrorists or criminals just people. I can see this being abused big time and the government has shown us time and time again that they can not be trusted whith more power.

/fark you DHS
//fark you federal government
 
2007-05-02 11:34:14 AM
You'll get over it, Citizen.
 
2007-05-02 11:36:50 AM
What's next?


www.seeingwithsound.com
 
2007-05-02 11:39:54 AM
Ha - see, the US *is* just like the UK, but with illegal wiretaps and rubberstamped warrants.
 
2007-05-02 11:40:19 AM
The only reason I'd go for it is to cut into illegal immigrants getting jobs.

Problem is, it's only as secure as the farker working with it, so that'd be just shy of useless.

Meh, waste of time and money.
 
2007-05-02 11:41:43 AM
My fellow libs and I oppose a national ID because we support illegal immigrants and terrorists. Can I assume that you conservatives will oppose it on the basis of "The Mark of the Beast" rhetoric making the rounds on rightwing sites?

At last, something we can all agree on!
 
2007-05-02 11:46:10 AM
This is something that needed to happen years ago. Hope it happens soon.

I'm not sure why people are so worried about it, the security problems that can happen with that can happen with the current system.
 
2007-05-02 11:47:16 AM
Seems like half of you people would be happy living under Castro.
 
2007-05-02 11:48:17 AM
FlashLV: I'm not sure why people are so worried about it, the security problems that can happen with that can happen with the current system.

What a great argument for spending billions and billions of dollars!

"It's not any better, but what the heck, let's go for it!"
 
2007-05-02 11:50:48 AM
FlashLV

You have turned into an SUV socialist, believe it or not. Shame on you.

I'll be protesting in the streets with the conservatives while you are farking around in front of your TV. You are the sheeple that liberals and others always talk about.
 
2007-05-02 11:51:16 AM
If it walks and talks, wouldn't it be a robot?
Cause that'd be awesome.
I'd take an ID card if it could walk and shoot lazer beams and get me beer out of the fridge.
 
2007-05-02 11:54:47 AM
Even assuming we could totally prevent anyone from making or using fraudulent identification or ID that doesn't belong to them (which we can't), something like Real ID isn't able to prevent terrorism by itself. There is this odd idea out there that the only people who are a threat are people we can't identify. Identification isn't the problem; the problem is knowing who is a terrorist and who isn't. It's not like we can put a check box on the application for a driver's license that says "Please check here if you are a terrorist.".

IIRC, many of the 9/11 hijackers were legally in the U.S. Also, a system like this does nothing to prevent domestic terrorism, like what happened with the London train bombings. Even if they combine it with other databases that can somehow identify terrorists (a dubious prospect), there's still the problem of making sure that people other than the person a card was issued to can't use it. Biometrics might help here, but it would be an expensive and invasive prospect for the government to install biometric devices everywhere that identification is used.
 
2007-05-02 11:55:02 AM
FlashLV This is something that needed to happen years ago.

Why do you say that? What problems will a Federal ID card solve?
 
2007-05-02 11:55:14 AM
Charming_Man

You have turned into an SUV socialist, believe it or not. Shame on you.

I'll be protesting in the streets with the conservatives while you are farking around in front of your TV. You are the sheeple that liberals and others always talk about.


How? I think it's necessary with all the identity fraud going around. Why are people so worried about it? How will it hurt you?

Do you know that current drivers licenses have magnetic strips that store information that can be verified by swiping it? How is this different?
 
2007-05-02 11:57:10 AM
Soup4Bonnie

Why do you say that? What problems will a Federal ID card solve?

Looks like people having to prove who they actually are before they get an ID seems like a great idea. Stolen identities could be limited with this.

What's the big deal? States already have this information, so they link the databases.
 
2007-05-02 11:59:01 AM
They should tattoo the ID # on the forearm of any filthy libs that won't carry the card.
 
2007-05-02 12:00:56 PM
this ID card crap is pure horsesh*t. For those who want, pack & move to china or russia, your choice.
 
2007-05-02 12:01:20 PM
FlashLV

What's the big deal? States already have this information, so they link the databases.

The big deal is that the FEDS will control this information, bypassing any state control. Not to mention that it will not stop anyone who actually wants a legitimate ID from getting one.

So basically it will cost TONS of money, create loads of complications to an already poorly performing system, and provide little to no actual improvement in security.

I guess that means we should do it!
 
2007-05-02 12:03:24 PM
FlashLV

And you trust the big bloated government to protect you from identity fraud? That is a most socialist belief!

The state is the enemy of liberty, and in fact, is the one thing standing in the way of true liberty. That is a most conservative belief. The belief in personal responsibility!
 
2007-05-02 12:07:36 PM
Let's see... as "secure" as we have seen several data bases and how easily Social Security numbers, addresses, and credit card numbers have been exposed to public access, how much more information can we collect and lump together? Yep, great idea.

Just extrapolate a bit... next, you'll have a master password for all your online and other accounts that will be entered into that data base for the "proper authorities" to get access if they can "show cause" that you are a suspect in criminal activity.

Remember the teacher applicant who was turned away for having a picture of her with a drink on her web page even though she was 25 at the time of the photo? What do you think will happen when some prospective employer finds out about your super secret email address "s­ex_­you_all_­d­e­via­nt[nospam-﹫-backwards]xe­st­eg­dim*c­om" or your monthly subscription to tentaclesex.com?

Uh huh... this will turn out well.
 
2007-05-02 12:08:34 PM
surfnazi

So basically it will cost TONS of money, create loads of complications to an already poorly performing system, and provide little to no actual improvement in security.

I guess that means we should do it!


How do you know it only provides little to no actual improvement in security?
 
2007-05-02 12:10:57 PM
Charming_Man

And you trust the big bloated government to protect you from identity fraud? That is a most socialist belief!


We trust them NOW! So I guess we are all socialists then!

The state is the enemy of liberty, and in fact, is the one thing standing in the way of true liberty. That is a most conservative belief. The belief in personal responsibility!

Why are you all for personal responsibility now, but with social programs and socialized health care you are all aboard?

You realize any national healthcare system will have this kind of database!
 
2007-05-02 12:11:41 PM
How is this supposed to cut down on illegal immigrants getting jobs? In the current system you need a regular ID and social security card to get a job. They somehow get around that.
 
2007-05-02 12:12:40 PM
How would you get one of these things?

Show a Driver's License? So a DL isn't good enough but we'll give you a National ID if you have one? Thats horrible logic.

Birth Certificate? Oh I love this one. A yellowed piece of paper with ZERO security features and no way to link it to the person holding it. I never understood why this can be used to get a Driver;s License or passport. It has always seemed fakeable with a printer from a flea market.
 
2007-05-02 12:13:31 PM
FlashLV

How do you know it only provides little to no actual improvement in security?

Because there is still nothing stopping actual terrorists from getting real IDs, as they have done before.
 
2007-05-02 12:14:23 PM
Papers please!
 
2007-05-02 12:14:24 PM
Just in case anyone thinks I have a tinfoil hat... I've already seen a friend get turned down for a loan on the basis that his name was similar to that of his 3rd cousin who had passed bad checks. Different middle name, different address, different father's name, but still got screwed.

And I get bills for a dentist up the road from me with the same first and last name even though the address, middle initial,and race are different.
 
2007-05-02 12:15:11 PM
"We are trying to make sure no state is the weakest link in letting people do things they shouldn't do, whether that is boarding an airplane, or any other activity we want to prevent," he said.

This is exactly the problem with any national ID card. The government wants to use it to stop us from enjoying activities that are deemed wrong by some loser in a government job. I can see it now. Piss off the wrong person and all the sudden the "privileges" you have been enjoying are no more. What ever happened to the right to our own lives. That's one of the creator granted ones, that cannot be taken away by mere government. But, here we are, allowing it to happen.
 
2007-05-02 12:16:26 PM
surfnazi

Because there is still nothing stopping actual terrorists from getting real IDs, as they have done before.

What?

WTF does that have to do with something not even implemented yet?
 
2007-05-02 12:16:50 PM
I don't see this as a big-brother big-deal type of thing. Identity is a pretty basic, universal concept, and my identity doesn't change when I go from Wisconsin to Illinois. Why should the burden of creating IDs still be the responsibility of DMVs? I'd imagine that a lot of money is being wasted going to all the states' DMVs to create and maintain fancy driver's licenses that serve as de facto IDs. Plus let's not forget people who don't drive still have to go to the DMV to get a state ID. The main goal here is to streamline and improve the efficiency of the system; it's internal logistics, and I really don't think much will change for the average citizen.
 
2007-05-02 12:18:44 PM
FlashLV: Do you know that current drivers licenses have magnetic strips that store information that can be verified by swiping it? How is this different?

I can't be thrown into a federal prison for demagnetizing the strip, like I do on my driver's license, that's how. Now go back to being a self-righteous socialist. No one likes you anyway. We just have a fondness for feeding the trolls.
 
2007-05-02 12:18:51 PM
Maybe they should tattoo it on us for that added shock bonus.
 
2007-05-02 12:20:34 PM
FlashLV

Prove to me that this will be a better system. Prove to me that this will, somehow, stop identity fraud (people already are supposed to show an ID before purchasing stuff with credit cards, before getting a credit card, etc., so I don't see how this will help in that arena).

You're the one suggesting we spend a massive ammount of money to follow through with this program, and the one suggesting that we create yet another massive government system.

So, I think that you, as such an enormous fan and advocate of proof, should prove why this is a good idea.
 
2007-05-02 12:23:10 PM
Mr. Nesbitt

I can't be thrown into a federal prison for demagnetizing the strip, like I do on my driver's license, that's how. Now go back to being a self-righteous socialist.

waht's your point? Oh you didn't have one you were just trolling!

No one likes you anyway. We just have a fondness for feeding the trolls

I don;t care what people on the internet think of me for expressing my opinions. And you're wrong BTW.
 
2007-05-02 12:25:15 PM
Felgraf

Prove to me that this will be a better system. Prove to me that this will, somehow, stop identity fraud (people already are supposed to show an ID before purchasing stuff with credit cards, before getting a credit card, etc., so I don't see how this will help in that arena).

You should RTFA.

which would require states, starting in 2008, to revalidate citizens' birth certificates

That is a start! It's better than what we have now! Nothing!
 
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