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(Some Guy)   The United States' most successful diplomat to Syria is hailed by them as "Good American" Pelosi   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 57
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2007-05-02 07:42:59 AM  
And politics in America should be an international "Idol" show? When the Israelis ALSO pick her as the most successful diplomat we can begin to believe it. She and Carter should form a duet.
 
2007-05-02 08:07:36 AM  
Rohnbo: And politics in America should be an international "Idol" show?

seriously, the cold shoulder is the only diplomacy we need. we're america! fark yeah!
 
2007-05-02 08:50:10 AM  
Why don't the TownHall and Wash Times linkers have enough confidence in their sources to note them when doing a submission?

Ashamed? Confused? Unable to spell TownHall?

America needs to know.
 
2007-05-02 09:11:48 AM  
Something tells me Syria (and the rest of the Arab world and rightly so) have "Anyone but Bush" Syndrome.

I know I do.
 
2007-05-02 09:43:30 AM  
It was the scarf. This is why I always tell my statesmen to accessorize.
 
2007-05-02 10:03:42 AM  
I wonder if Pelosi endorsed Syria's recent "elections."
 
2007-05-02 10:19:29 AM  
How is it ironic that actually talking to people makes them like you more, versus dropping bombs on their houses?
 
2007-05-02 10:19:58 AM  
if you talk to someone in the middle east and they aren't a jew you are a terrorist lover, simple as that...
 
2007-05-02 10:23:21 AM  
she doesn't have to agree with them to play nice. talks with syria are to further our interests plain and simple. prideful disinterest in talking with those we disagree with isn't how diplomacy is done as demonstrated by all the progress bush isn't making in the ME.

bush's approach has gotten nowhere. time for the grown ups to take a shot.
 
2007-05-02 10:24:19 AM  
if we learned anything from dennis hastert it is this: the job of the speaker of the house is to sit on your fat ass and get fatter. he saw no need to "accomplish" "things" so he didn't. and he was damn fine at that i tell you what.
 
2007-05-02 10:24:30 AM  
While I agree that we should open diplomatic channels with countries that Bush has closed, the speaker of the House should not be conducting our foreign policy.
 
2007-05-02 10:25:59 AM  
dogdaze

what does bush think of the 'elections' in pakistan or saudi arabia or china?

talking with syria does not equal endorsing everything they do, get it?
 
2007-05-02 10:26:09 AM  
I think having everyone hate and mistrust our diplomats is a better approach.
 
2007-05-02 10:28:21 AM  
Postal Penguin

I absolutely agree with that, and I think it's a sad and horrible situation that no one in a more appropriate role is taking the necessary diplomatic steps. Maybe GWB should be looking after his own shiat?
 
2007-05-02 10:30:37 AM  
flavor of the month: While I agree that we should open diplomatic channels with countries that Bush has closed, the speaker of the House should not be conducting our foreign policy.

And I shouldn't have to initiate a major project to rewrite legacy software into something that will be supportable in the future, but sometime you just have to do what needs to get done.

It would be different if she was making deals on her own, but from what I've read she has just reiterated U.S. policy.
 
2007-05-02 10:31:16 AM  
Postal Penguin

While I agree that we should open diplomatic channels with countries that Bush has closed, the speaker of the House should not be conducting our foreign policy.

she's not conducting foreign policy exactly, but I get what you're saying.

I think pelosi's unconventional actions are a direct result of bush's incompetence.
 
2007-05-02 10:32:42 AM  
Postal Penguin: the speaker of the House should not be conducting our foreign policy.

Tell that to Newt Gingrich.
 
2007-05-02 10:34:08 AM  
Can you say.......puppet.
Wasn't Jane Fonda the most popular in Nam too?
 
2007-05-02 10:34:43 AM  
unexpained bacon I do get it. The countries you mention aren't waging war w/ us, and they are making progress, albeit slow progress, towards the stabilization of the region. Syria, not so much.
 
2007-05-02 10:34:47 AM  
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2007-05-02 10:38:54 AM  
unexplained bacon: I think pelosi's unconventional actions are a direct result of bush's incompetence.

Wasn't unconventional. The precedent was set by Gingrich back in 1998.

One could also argue that Gingrich's trip and actions were actually far less respectful of the Executive's foreign policy plans than Pelosi's as well.
 
2007-05-02 10:41:54 AM  
dogdaze

you're going to pretend we're at war with syria?
you don't get it.

maybe if I pretended we're at war with pakistan (where the taliban regroups for fights in afghanistan) or saudi arabia (where most of the 9/11 hijackers called home) I could help you to see my point, but we're not at war with them either.
 
2007-05-02 10:43:17 AM  
Kyranis: One could also argue that Gingrich's trip and actions were actually far less respectful of the Executive's foreign policy plans than Pelosi's as well.

you forget. IOKIYAR
 
2007-05-02 10:46:27 AM  
dogdaze

talking with the leadership of other nations is equivilant to endorsing their 'elections' only if dogdaze has decided we're at war with them all by himself...got it.
 
2007-05-02 10:48:16 AM  
dogdaze: I wonder if Pelosi endorsed Syria's recent "elections."

Ah. I see they had an "Election '04," too.
 
2007-05-02 10:56:53 AM  
"She is a different face of America, but she does not have ideas, any solutions," the Iraqi woman said. "I watch TV all day, and I know that only the faces change."

Well, I think the Iraqis have finally got this democracy shiat down.
 
2007-05-02 10:59:33 AM  
Kyranis

I'd still call it unconventional, just not unprecedented.

bah, semantics

I wonder how many of the people that got all in a tizzy about pelosi remember or even care about what newt did
 
2007-05-02 11:06:29 AM  
unexplained bacon: I wonder how many of the people that got all in a tizzy about pelosi remember or even care about what newt did
B-b-b-but that was US, not THEM!
 
2007-05-02 11:13:31 AM  
scratched:How is it ironic that actually talking to people makes them like you more, versus dropping bombs on their houses?

Wait, so people prefer talking to being killed, do they? Next you'll tell me that women also like to be talked to as opposed to dragged by the hair back to my cave. Libtard.
 
2007-05-02 11:17:31 AM  
AgentOrangeDrink

...back to my cave

keep an eye out for osama scat, w wants him dead or alive...or something
 
2007-05-02 11:23:19 AM  
AgentOrangeDrink: Next you'll tell me that women also like to be talked to as opposed to dragged by the hair back to my cave. Libtard.

Well... I'd say that depends on the woman.
 
2007-05-02 11:28:31 AM  
Two most important quotes:
<i>This is the best thing that has happened here, if it proves [Mr. Assad] was right not to give concessions.</i>
They like her because they're both trying to make Bush look bad.

<i>She is a different face of America, but she does not have ideas, any solutions. I watch TV all day, and I know that only the faces change." </i>
Syrians understand American politics better than most Americans.

I'm all for diplomacy and I think the white house could deal with countries like Syria better by talking to them. I also don't believe for a second that Pelosi wants to actually do anything to help because then it'll open her up to criticism. Just go over and use a country that also hates Bush to make your party look good. If she had power to direct foreign policy she'd have to say stuff that would make them hate her.
Bill Richardson is the only prominent democrat that stands out from the crowd as especially capable in foreign affairs.
 
2007-05-02 11:29:41 AM  
wtf why did my html enabled default to off
 
2007-05-02 11:38:36 AM  
schiefaw

you got the wrong guy. my high minded contribution to this debate was to praise nancy pelosi's go-gettum attitude by contrasting it with dennis hastert's propensity to lie around like a fat slug.
 
2007-05-02 11:42:40 AM  
And then I realized I was reading an article in the Washington Times.
 
2007-05-02 11:44:36 AM  
We are at war w/ Sryia in the same sense that we were at war w/ the USSR. Having lived through the cold war, I get it.
 
2007-05-02 11:45:33 AM  
Nice opinion piece! Call BS though.
 
2007-05-02 11:56:25 AM  
dogdaze

of course reagan didn't mind talking with ol' gorby did he?

I guess reagan endorsed soviet style oppression then.

/you = doesn't get it
 
2007-05-02 12:06:18 PM  
Different times and different situation. The question on the table that isn't being addressed is what does the USA do about state sponsored terrorism?
 
2007-05-02 12:07:58 PM  
dogdaze

if I were you I'd change the subject too

ok, what is the bush admin doing about it?
 
2007-05-02 12:15:14 PM  
unexplained bacon: ok, what is the bush admin doing about it?

according to recent news stories, they are endorsing it in other middle eastern countries....
 
2007-05-02 12:16:06 PM  
Bush is gonna pout, take his ball and go home if they keep this up!

/News flash - the decider doesn't always get his way,
Which is good news for all us rational people...
 
2007-05-02 12:24:50 PM  
She undermined any image of a united front AND submitted just a little bit to their repression of women.

By wearing the scarf she said treating women as second class citizens is acceptable. As an American she should have represented American values, including equality of the sexes.

When a child is misbehaving both parents must present an united front to the child. They shouldn't argue about punishment or what is/not acceptable in front of the child. It undermines their authority and confuses the child. Any leader should know that it is essential for the brass to *appear* united in front of the troops. Leadership 101 stuff here.

While it was sneaky and underhanded, it was necessary given the administration's incompetence.
 
2007-05-02 12:28:31 PM  
apeiron242: By wearing the scarf she said treating women as second class citizens is acceptable. As an American she should have represented American values, including equality of the sexes.

That's just dumb. You don't go to someone's house and put your feet on the coffee table. That's Diplomacy 101.
 
2007-05-02 12:32:38 PM  
mathmatix

hell this admin. has been borrowing the torture facilities from some of them. they presided over the invention of the guilty until proven innocent ass pyramid.

what about this talk of maliki's new group called 'the office' helping the shia militias? on and on, such a farked up mess

there's just so much that I find very wrong about what this admin. does in just about every situation I couldn't begin to list it all.
 
2007-05-02 12:37:39 PM  
By wearing the scarf she said treating women as second class citizens is acceptable. As an American she should have represented American values, including equality of the sexes.

www.cbc.ca

www.mahablog.com
 
2007-05-02 12:56:39 PM  
apeiron242
She undermined any image of a united front AND submitted just a little bit to their repression of women.

To put it anothe way: she let the Syrians know we're not all nutcases. I'd rather show the world that America's policy in the Middle East is not universally supported in government than have it think we're all behind the current madman in office.

By wearing the scarf she said treating women as second class citizens is acceptable. As an American she should have represented American values, including equality of the sexes.

As shown above, everybody does this.

When a child is misbehaving both parents must present an united front to the child. They shouldn't argue about punishment or what is/not acceptable in front of the child. It undermines their authority and confuses the child. Any leader should know that it is essential for the brass to *appear* united in front of the troops. Leadership 101 stuff here.

You have just equated our relations with sovereign nations to a parent dealing with misbehaving children. That's a bad start for any diplomatic relationship, and it's a bad precedent to have set in one's mind in light of the declining nature of American hegemony.

While it was sneaky and underhanded, it was necessary given the administration's incompetence.

Agreed.
 
2007-05-02 01:11:26 PM  
flavor of the month: schiefaw

you got the wrong guy. my high minded contribution to this debate was to praise nancy pelosi's go-gettum attitude by contrasting it with dennis hastert's propensity to lie around like a fat slug.


Sorry about that! Since the redesign, Farkit is not to be trusted. I will have to go back to cutting and pasting like a barbarian!
 
2007-05-02 01:28:51 PM  
Bush doesn't speak for the US anymore. What Pelosi did was right, so all of you crybabies STFU, go stamp your little feet in the corner.
 
2007-05-02 01:39:34 PM  
unexplained bacon:keep an eye out for osama scat, w wants him dead or alive...or something

Is there a third option? Like a head in a jar so every American gets to poke him in the eyes once?

scratched:AgentOrangeDrink: Next you'll tell me that women also like to be talked to as opposed to dragged by the hair back to my cave. Libtard.

Well... I'd say that depends on the woman.


Touche, I seem to recall Condi requesting that I punch her in the box repeatedly.
 
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