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(SeattlePI)   Seattle police exchange fire with Seattle police   ( divider line
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2702 clicks; posted to Main » on 11 Jul 2001 at 12:05 AM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2001-07-11 12:13:59 AM  
stupid mexicans.
2001-07-11 12:18:58 AM  
I guess it ain't only the Mexicans that can't shoot. Seriously it's a good thing that no cop or civilian was killed.
2001-07-11 12:24:27 AM  
Those cops were probably too busy drinking their Starbucks coffee or ranting about Ichiro to each other.
2001-07-11 12:25:19 AM  
it's kind of a good thing. but what does it say when the police can fire 20 rounds and not hit a thing?

i actually drove past this and rubbernecked at around 4:30 am. it was all over, but it sparked the old curiosity.
2001-07-11 12:27:02 AM  
haha. good one, cosby. are you from seattle? because that's about right.
2001-07-11 12:31:40 AM  
Actually, I'm on the other coast, in good old Jersey.
2001-07-11 12:35:31 AM  
"No! You freeze!"

(etc., etc.)
2001-07-11 12:36:37 AM  
Speaking of Seattle, the all-star game sucked.
2001-07-11 12:45:36 AM  
oh, yeah. who wants to argue that if you don't do anything wrong, the police will leave you alone? anyone?
2001-07-11 12:55:28 AM  
Everyone knows the police will not shoot you if you are doing nothing wrong, like stealing cars or dealing drugs or getting into a fight with your old lady and fist-fighting the police or starting a bar fight because you are drunk then running from 16 State Police cars....

I'm really getting tired of hearing about morons who challenge the law, then biatch because they pay the penalty, whether it be a shot of mace in the face, or getting their ass shot off during a high-speed pursuit.

You're not 'fighting the system' by resisting arrest, acting like an ass, or running like a scared rabbit into the bushes.
2001-07-11 01:06:14 AM  
norad: was the first sentence of that post supposed to make no sense?

as for running, how long will it take for you people to realize that some innocent people fear the police. the police do hurt and harass people who did nothing wrong. it is a fact. there is nothing you can say that will make it magically not be true. maybe not all police, but enough police for some people not to want to deal with it. if i had kicked your ass for no reason last week, and you see me coming with one of my buddies, we're armed and you aren't, you would run, too.
2001-07-11 01:06:34 AM  
Y''s hard to read this without picturing all the officers involved doing a Curly..

2001-07-11 01:09:22 AM  
as for running, how long will it take for you people to realize that some innocent people fear the police.

Huh? Innocent people fear the police?

Care to elaborate on that, Meat?
2001-07-11 01:26:22 AM  
okay, norad, here's how it works. imagine, if you will, a world completely unlike your own. there are a few police officers who just like to mess with people. they harass people for no reason, and sometimes beat them up. if those people try to defend themselves, they get killed. i know this is totally preposterous, as the world you live in is policed only by reincarnations of jesus christ himself. they would never hurt a fly.

but those poor souls who live in the real world have to deal with the occasional sadistic cop. they are better off just avoiding the police all together.

there is such a thing as police brutality. just saying it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. i wish it would, but it won't.

in seattle, recently, a man was killed trying to escape the police. they pulled him over because he was "driving erratically." he was backing out of a driveway and had been on the street for no more than 30 feet. one of the police jumped in through his driver side window, and the other attempted, with gun drawn, to get in through the passenger side. he tried to escape, because his life was in danger. he is now dead. only days before this occured, these two officers' names were on a list of about five problem officers who regularly harass residents of the predominantly black, low rent area of seattle known as the central district. now, they are being hailed as model officers. so far, the official police story has changed at least three times. perhaps if it changes a few more times, it will match up with witness testimony. perhaps if there was even the slightest chance that these officers would be punished or reprimanded in any way, there would be more than three official witnesses (all of whom, incidentally, are afraid for their lives).

i don't know if the article mentions this, but the area where this police-on-police shootout occurred is a residential street. that means there are people at home, in bed while the police are shooting at each other out on the street. it makes me afraid of the police.
2001-07-11 01:34:15 AM  
Did France surrender?
2001-07-11 02:12:17 AM  
What was the outcome on the Rodney King case? I don't remember ever hearing what happened to the officers...
2001-07-11 02:54:12 AM  
2001-07-11 03:03:08 AM  
That shait was funny! I got Photoshop just flashing thru my head!! HA! HA HA HA!!!
2001-07-11 03:18:24 AM  
I thought there was going to be some kind of lit torch trading or something. Or maybe one cop traded a lighter for a match with another cop.

But it was just plain old boring gunshots.
2001-07-11 03:36:26 AM  
I think it´s only americans who celebrate 4th of july or whatever
2001-07-11 05:25:52 AM  
Hehe. There was a Darwin Award in Northern Ireland a couple of years ago when cops did this, but they knocked out 6 of themselves. I think that's when first talk of the IRA disbanding arose...
2001-07-11 06:35:18 AM  
Cop: Officer down! Officer down!

Officer Down: What?
2001-07-11 09:03:52 AM  
Very good point Meat. I guess Norad's never heard of people getting shoved down on the sidewalk with a boot planted on their neck for littering and then responding "what?" to the officer. I certainly know I've never heard of hispanics getting lined up and and searched and asked which gang they're in just because there were too many of them in the local convenience store at one time. I've also never heard of any white kids getting harrassed because they were carrying skateboards, or were wearing jean jackets, had long hair, had their hats on backwards or otherwise "looked bad." Must be that perfect world I live in.
2001-07-11 09:13:34 AM  
Hey listen, get off the cop's back. They have a job to do and they do it under extreme pressure.


Rodney King
2001-07-11 09:15:28 AM  
"We are not sure how he gets the patrol cars"

Hell, I could have taken dozens of police cars... I see them left running and unattended *all* the time. They seem to be begging for it.

There was one left on outside a doughnut shop for literally an hour while the cop had a snack inside.
2001-07-11 09:17:27 AM  
Meat/Overlord: You're both wrong. The Police obey the law, perps don't. End of story. Someone employed to exert the law can't break it.

Are you trying to imply that some of the police are unjust or abuse their power?
2001-07-11 09:19:42 AM  
Goatman: You're kidding right?
2001-07-11 09:34:55 AM  
Meat- What you say does happen, it is a fact. This is the exception rather than the rule though. You run, "because you are afraid" you will draw attention to yourself. Life is not a Disney movie and is not always fair, sad but true.
2001-07-11 10:04:24 AM  
Cop 1"I'm the good cop today and you're the bad cop."
Cop 2"Oh no ya don't,I was bad cop yesterday."
Cop 1"O.K.,I've had enough!"(pulls out gun)
2001-07-11 10:06:18 AM  
Overlord: See yesterday's thread about the cops pumping 42 rounds into an unarmed man.
2001-07-11 10:10:45 AM  
Sounds like the police have been beating the meat.
2001-07-11 10:17:26 AM  
Meat: why the hell are you saying "stupid mexicans" when its a white guy who stole the car?
2001-07-11 10:18:43 AM  
Goatman. Take a drive through Fairfax City here in virginia one day. Cops will sit there and block two lanes of traffic just because they're busy talking to each other, although I've only seen that happen once. Or they'll drive down the wrong side of a road seperated with a median just because they couldn't take a left. Traffic lights....they ignore them. They'll sit at a red for 5 seconds, lose their patience, turn on their lights and drive through...once through they shut off their lights. Happens ALL the time. Oh...and another thing, although this wasn't fairfax city, this was Fairfax County. Officer Hand (we called him Officer Handjob cuz he was a jerk) was arrested for robbing the back right around the corner from where I used to live. So I would think your statement "Someone employed to exert the law can't break it" is a total load of crap.
2001-07-11 10:20:12 AM  
Goatman. Didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Silly me
2001-07-11 10:26:58 AM  
Mon - I think it was a failed reference to the situation that occurred in mexico where two different police units got in a shoot out because one officer broke the law and the other came to arrest him. And that happened in Mexico.
2001-07-11 10:28:49 AM  
Gee, where have I been living? I've somehow managed for 34 years to NOT be harassed by cops, been a victim of abuse, crime or injustice, and have considered myself a law abiding citizen whose only vice is a little speeding.

Maybe I should start feeling guilty that there are people who break the law and/or have no respect for the law....nah, I guess I'll continue to live in my "Disney movie" world and stay content working, raising my kids, and being a good example to my family.

BTW: I live in the "real world". Just because you don't live with suffering and pain all the time doesn't mean you don't. Everyone knows that there is terrible suffering out there but it doesn't make you a better person to join in willingly. Do your part to make the world better...don't join in and exascerbate the problem.

"If there was no crime, there would be no police, not vice-versa." - Barry Farber
2001-07-11 10:34:15 AM  
If this story happened in Denver:

Three cops fired 15 rounds apiece at each other inside of 5 seconds. All three look like swiss cheese. More at 10...
2001-07-11 11:27:52 AM  
BADGER: Without being specific, where do you live?

It's funny how people in different areas just *know* that the rest of the country is just like their hometown.

Police brutality? bah - it's a conspiracy
Police harassment? bah - it's a conspiracy
Police corruption? bah - it's a conspiracy

Welcome to Hell (Los Angeles) biatch!
2001-07-11 12:18:24 PM  
Try being a hard-working black man or woman trying to go to work everyday in Seattle. Buddies of mine are being harassed DAILY by the farking Seattle PD. Things are approaching a boiling point. There are daily riots/protests in central, the cops are racial profiling like it's going out of style, innocent people are being shot for exiting a store's driveway unarmed, the cops are having random and misinformed gun battles in a residential neighborhood, the SPD are just plain assholes 99.9% of the time, you're guilty until proven beaten to death if you're not white ... but SPD has that jaywalking thing UNDER CONTROL!! (You'll understand if you're from around here.)
2001-07-11 12:29:42 PM  
Well, the cops usually do harrass punks, sooo, maybe you should change your name to cyberbankpresident.
2001-07-11 12:48:56 PM  
I've never personally been harassed by the SPD. Maybe it's because I'm in the military, white, clean-cut, etc. But I've too many friends to count who HAVE been harassed. I know first-hand that not all of the SPD folks are assholes (I was activated with my Guard unit for the WTO riots) but I've also been watching the news and listening to my black friends biatch about being pulled over CONSTANTLY for stupid reasons just so the cops can ask, "You been doing drugs tonight son?"
2001-07-11 01:15:43 PM  
My brother, when he was in high school and couldn't afford a car, spent a summer working at an ice factory. He used to walk the two or three miles home. He just happened to have hair that came down onto his back, and he usually wore his coat out of the plant, hooked over his elbows so just the sleeves were on him. He got stopped and searched on a daily basis, occasionally being taken into custody, because he was walking through my parents' neighborhood and just "looked wrong." It happens to white guys, just not as often.
2001-07-11 01:38:01 PM  
I have been serving a life-term in Seattle (with great joy most of the time) I can say with only anecdotal evidence that the Seattle Police department has some serious bad apples in it. I have seen police harass my non-lilly white friends in my presence. Everyone one of them was searched for drugs, but luckily because I am white, I am immune to drugs, therefore they did not search me. awfully strange. I hear stories from all kinds of people about a Seattle Police using inapproriate force to detain suspects. My own father was slammed down to the hood of his overpriced luxury vehicle (an INfiniti Q45 I believe) when he asked an officer standing near his car (that was parked) what the problem was. Now I know you are thinking that perhaps he smarted off, but my father is the most law-abiding lilly-white Upper middle class dude there is. Basically I believe there is a lot of racial profiling goin on (from my own anecdotal evidence of which I have only mentioned one incedent) and there are some cops who just abuse their power. Put them both together and you will get a perceptibly oppressive police force. I am not afraid of the Seattle police, but I certainly don't think being innocent will keep them from abusing my rights.

People have a view that Seattle is the very open and friendly city (which it can be) and where relations between different communities (i.e. black , hispanic, rich, poor, asian, middle class) are good, but things have really really declined in the last decade, and I think that Seattlites (and surrounding satelite cities) need to pull their collective heads out of their collective ass and acknowledge that things are not as good as we can expect and start changing things for the better. Of course I don't know what that would take, but I am sure greater oversight on people that can abuse the rights of others would be a good start.
2001-07-11 03:37:51 PM  
That must have been seriously entertaining to watch the two cop cars ramming each other. Silly cops, no DONUT!

-he who stacks pork
2001-07-11 03:40:33 PM  
here in the 'Great' state of New Jersey the State Troopers pull over people of different color, even though that person(s) did nothing, township police pull you over bacause they feel like it, tell you that you are going 80 when you are feally going 60, make illegal turns all the time, run red lights like there is no tomorrow, they are always at the local Dunkin Donuts, etc. One night I saw this cop on a major highway slow down at a red light then drive right on through it.They always abuse their power and it gives the good cops(which is not many) a bad name.
2001-07-11 04:53:05 PM  
Hey Chilly Willie what 'hood you from brotha?

Cops are humans, therefore the power that they have makes them drunk and since most of them are idiots they have no idea how to react.

Case in point: I was driving on La Brea (street in LA) during rush hour (it gets very busy) a cop turned on his lights, made a U-turn in the middle of the street, stopped for a second turned on his lights again and made another U-turn to get back to his original starting point, all for no apparent reason.

On the 10W freeway we were averaging about 65-75 mph, a cop gets on the freeway, starts doing 90, cuts people off, tailgates them until they change lanes and creates havoc in general. I looked over into their car while they were passing me and it looked like a cop was giving his three friends a joy ride and they all had a big farkING mocking smile on their face.

I've seen cops come to a red light, stop, turn on their lights, cut through the red, and continue driving at a normal speed.

Have you tried to explain something to a cop, they don't listen, their first reaction is to treat you like shiat and put handcuffs on you. Like I said in a different post, the I see it most of these guys are criminals whose only way out was to become a cop.

"If I was any dumber I would've become a cop"
Gibson in Payback.
2001-07-11 07:54:11 PM  
Hts, I used to live in Gardena - Crenshaw/El Segundo hood
2001-07-12 06:32:59 AM  
el segundo? i think i left my wallet there.
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