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2007-04-25 12:28:26 PM
i thought Hitler supported online gambling?
 
2007-04-25 12:28:46 PM
Jesus Dems, you got my vote. PartyPoker 4Evah!
 
2007-04-25 12:29:06 PM
FlashLV: I think that's a funny statement. There is no way to regulate who gets on. A kid can sign up and play.

Like someone said, kids don't have a way to get money onto online gambling sites. If they DO have a way (mommy and daddy gave them a credit card) then the parents are at fault.

Also, what's so wrong with "kids" gambling? I gambled when I was a "kid" (young teenager), though it was just poker with friends for a few quarters. I don't see how it's inherently evil or something.
 
2007-04-25 12:29:29 PM
As a Republican I'm 100% behind lifting the ban on internet gambling, a law which got no up and down vote and got tacked onto the Safe Harbor bill (which you knew was going to get passed and signed into law). And I hope the online poker sites that tossed American players from their services continue to suffer for doing so. American players should refuse to go back to them.
 
2007-04-25 12:29:53 PM
FlyingPig
Libertarians also want to make gambling legal, subby.

That's an interesting theoretical statement. Too bad there aren't any big-L Libertarians in Congress.

A rational person might think that you'd embrace ideas that you agree with, regardless of who brings them to the table. I used to like the Libertarian Party - enough to consider changing my registration, even - but it turns out that they aren't able to actually get anything done. Perhaps it's an organizational issue (which I find hilarious - a party that wants less top-down interference can't manage to get their act together - who would have thought?).

Barney Frank is a pretty good guy - even when not speaking of congressmen in relative terms. He probably espouses a lot of your ideals, FlyingPig.
 
2007-04-25 12:29:54 PM
buckeyebrain: They did. The Poker Players' Alliance hired Alphonse D'Amato.

figures.

when ya realize why the law was implemented, it doesn't take much to realize why it'd be repealed.

khaos4k: And a kid gets money on the site how exactly?

with their dog's credit card.
 
2007-04-25 12:30:02 PM
Quick1: If they also legalized weed, I would vote Democrat for the rest of my life.

But would you remember to?

//aww man.. i'm so high right now.. i have no idea what's going on
 
2007-04-25 12:30:50 PM
Idiots gamble, morons gamble online.
 
2007-04-25 12:32:12 PM
drg8r

libertarian party may be better than the Dems and Reps at the moment but mostly because they have no power to abuse. Theyve got some pretty screwed up things in their platform that would backfire like Rosie O Donnel filled with beans and brocolli. They just cant implement them is the main difference.
 
2007-04-25 12:32:32 PM
FlyingPig: Libertarians also want to make gambling legal, subby. And unlike the Democrats, they don't think it's a good idea to just stand on a street corner and hand out free money to everybody who wants it.

They also have no power at all. None.
 
2007-04-25 12:32:35 PM
Mnemia

Proceeds from state lotteries benefit state programs such as education and with some exceptions the cost per player tends to be low.

With pari-mutuel you are not betting against the house but other players. The house take is built into the system. This promotes honesty in the game.
 
2007-04-25 12:34:49 PM
Tech N9ne: Idiots gamble, morons gamble online.

This just in - there are people in the world with lots MORE $$$ than you who can afford to squander it

not saying all do, I love all the knobs in my state paying for road paving when they can't afford food

But instantly referring to anyone who does something you disagree with as an "idiot" makes you an idiot
 
2007-04-25 12:34:55 PM
I will agree with the hero status when they legalize this...

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2007-04-25 12:35:03 PM
2007-04-25 12:16:10 PM The Decider

ABOUT FREAKING TIME!!!

I loved their justification for this law. "Gambling hurts families".


Gambling has fed my family a time or two, and they've never gone hungry because of it.
 
2007-04-25 12:35:16 PM
mrjared
When did sin become illegal? I just sinned this morning by looking at your mom with lust, I hope the feds don't bust me!


That was simply amazing-- not what you said, but the fact that they allow laptops on the playground.

/burn
 
2007-04-25 12:36:19 PM
But this is the land of the free. We can't allow people to play games of chance in a free country like this!
 
2007-04-25 12:36:21 PM
heap: the online gambling folks must have gotten a lobby together to rival the brick and mortar gambling lobbies.

Not quite. Right on with the cynicism, but in the wrong direction.

The WTO hammered the US on this, in a dispute with Antigua. Antigua brought suit against the US claiming that the online gambling ban was an arbitrary and capricious restraint of trade. Which, hey, it was: it's one thing for the US to say US citizens aren't allowed to gamble at all, but it's another thing entirely for it to say "You're allowed to gamble in those casinos here in Vegas and Atlantic City, but not allowed to gamble in those virtual casinos based in Antigua."

The WTO sided with Antigua, firmly and repeatedly. The US's refusal to comply with the ruling entitles Antigua to retaliate by, and get this, withdrawing protection for US copyright. Under WTO rules, if the US refuses to comply with its decision on the gambling ban, someone could go to Antigua and set up a new Napster or Allofmp3 and the RIAA and MPAA wouldn't be able to do *shiat*.

So, who has a really powerful lobby: the online gambling industry, or the MAFIAA?
 
2007-04-25 12:38:27 PM
Dog Welder

And I hope the online poker sites that tossed American players from their services continue to suffer for doing so.


Online poker sites didn't toss American players from their services. Online poker sites don't give a shiat where you play from, just as long as you pay them.

What the gambling ban did was make it illegal for US credit card companies to transfer any money from Americans to online gambling sites.
 
2007-04-25 12:39:04 PM
khaos4k

And a kid gets money on the site how exactly?

The same way you or I can. A bank transfer, western union...


Does that help?
 
2007-04-25 12:40:10 PM
WayneKerr

Sure, let's make it easier for people to sin.

Online gambling is a gateway sin.


But this rule doesn't exist to church bingo and all those casino nights, right?
 
2007-04-25 12:40:14 PM
"Gambling hurts families".


Just ask 'Mr. Family Values' himself, Bill Bennett!
 
2007-04-25 12:40:15 PM
GodsTumor

Posting pictures of weed has always been legal. Sorry, you rebellious wonder, try again.
 
2007-04-25 12:40:17 PM
Theonceovertwice
"They should make it legal everywhere in the US as well, not just online."

No way! Then everywhere would be like Vegas. I hate Vegas.


It would be more like Las Vegas diffused over the United States, which works out to one neon light per block.
 
2007-04-25 12:40:21 PM
Behold the pandering! And those suckered by it. I'm afraid you'll have to talk to your state/locality about that one.
 
2007-04-25 12:40:39 PM
 
2007-04-25 12:40:54 PM
I guarantee that this won't last, Democrats are just as paternalistic as Republicans if one uses smoking bans as a metric. Besides, with all of the tax increases which will be used to fund new social spending, who will have $$$ money to gamble besides the middle-upper class?
 
2007-04-25 12:42:08 PM
Anyone who gambles online is just begging to lose all their money in its current state. Without regulation, standards for random number generation, external audits, the whole thing is a joke. Ever wonder why Vegas is the most popular gambling destination? It's the regulations.

Without regulation, electronic gambling odds can be changed at will. There are slot machine companies that are bragging about this as a feature right now. The machines around you are paying out a bit too much... they can change the odds on your machine. Do you honestly think for one second that online gambling sites aren't doing the same thing, or worse... changing the outcomes of games specificly to cause you to lose?
Without regulation, and by that I mean an external standards body, you are screwed.
 
2007-04-25 12:43:10 PM
Patriot Act.

/I'll check back in a couple hours.
 
2007-04-25 12:43:25 PM
Ok, so everyone in favor of legalizing gambling is basically saying they support smart people taking advantage of less-than-smart people. Fine, we live in a market / capitalist society, I have no (ethical) issue with that (I do have a moral issue tho). But when Joe six-pack blows his money on scratch tickets and falls out of the system, who's gonna have to pay for his medical, etc.? Me. Take out the social safety net, and make people responsible for their actions, and I support total freedom (gambling, drugs, you name it). But as long as I have to pay to protect people from their bad decisions, I want a little say in what decisions they make. At least let's limit the options that we know lead down the toilet death swirl to destitutism (is that a word?).

Too much to ask?

/and I think state lotteries are the height of hypocracy
//evil, evil, evil
/// "gimme a pack of Luckys and some scratchies!"
//
 
2007-04-25 12:43:38 PM
Sleeping Monkey
/liberals, fighting for individual freedoms.

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Watch out for these on your drive home today. Dems have something up their sleeve. This calculated stance will somehow benefit the Dems. It has nothing to do with individual freedoms.
 
2007-04-25 12:44:29 PM
CatJumpJohn: They also have no power at all. None.

Because people are too damn stupid to escape from the bullshiat two-party system that's ruining our country.

MacEnvy: A rational person might think that you'd embrace ideas that you agree with, regardless of who brings them to the table. I used to like the Libertarian Party - enough to consider changing my registration, even - but it turns out that they aren't able to actually get anything done. Perhaps it's an organizational issue (which I find hilarious - a party that wants less top-down interference can't manage to get their act together - who would have thought?).

I think we should abolish political parties, period. Let every individual run on his/her own ideas, and fund his/her campaign with his/her OWN money. Political parties only lead to groupthink and corruption.
 
2007-04-25 12:44:58 PM
Bhopper

The last time I checked, people weren't getting wasted at Bingo and proceeding to go out and rape people and animals. I don't recall news stories of elderlies robbing the local liquor store to support their Bingo habit.

If only Pete Rose would have taken up Scrabble instead of Bingo...
 
2007-04-25 12:45:10 PM
Tech N9ne: Idiots gamble, morons gamble online.

mmmmmm...that's kinda the point. it's easier to take moron's money.

Phanatic1a: Not quite.

dunno. i just don't harbor any delusions that any motion on this subject either way is due to a politician doing right for 'the people'. it went one way because a political party got a shiatpot of money, and...ya know, i'm gonna hold off until i see the balance sheet before i believe this direction is any different.
 
2007-04-25 12:46:19 PM
just like drugs, legalize it, tax it, use some of the money to help the degenerates that can't help themselves from over doing it...
 
2007-04-25 12:47:12 PM
WayneKerr

Sure, let's make it easier for people to sin.

Online gambling is a gateway sin.



I for one am amazed that you couldnt somehow drag sex, smoking, and gun control into this as well as religion.
 
2007-04-25 12:47:41 PM
FlyingPig: I think we should abolish political parties, period.

when you realize it'd take the folks benefiting most from the current situation to alter the current situation....well, let's just say i'd also like jessica alba's ass to be my own personal pillow. we've both got about the same odds.
 
2007-04-25 12:48:06 PM
Farking Sweet

It's a shame that today's self-described liberals are almost the complete opposite of the actual definition.
 
2007-04-25 12:48:30 PM
All I know is if John Mellancamp wins the Oscar, I win $100,000.
 
2007-04-25 12:49:20 PM
Magnus Ver Magnusson

This just in - there are people in the world with lots MORE $$$ than you who can afford to squander it

not saying all do, I love all the knobs in my state paying for road paving when they can't afford food

But instantly referring to anyone who does something you disagree with as an "idiot" makes you an idiot


I do very well, thank you. Gambling is an addiction. People that are retarded enough to punch in their credit card number to a web site and gamble , are farking idiots. Yes some rich people do gamble, but most people that gamble are NOT rich. They are usually old people, blue collar workers and gamblers with debts. Just pointing out the obvious. If gamblers always won there would be no profit.
 
2007-04-25 12:50:29 PM
Well, bring the farking troops home and start the debauchery!!

/better than gambling with their lives
 
2007-04-25 12:50:59 PM
Uh Smitty...never mind...


/Democrats luv the uninformed
 
2007-04-25 12:51:04 PM
Arnold T Pants: It's a shame that today's self-described liberals are almost the complete opposite of the actual definition.

i'm guessing the 'personal liberty!' party having passed this legislation in the first place just flew right past you?
 
2007-04-25 12:51:35 PM
ChairmanKaga: Mnemia

Proceeds from state lotteries benefit state programs such as education and with some exceptions the cost per player tends to be low.


I don't know how other states do it, but in Florida the lottery doesn't benefit education at all. The state uses lottery funds to replace education money that can be diverted to other areas. It's a big misconception that lottery money is additional money for education. The money does go to education but it might as well go somewhere else because that is what it facilitates.
 
2007-04-25 12:51:58 PM
upload.wikimedia.org


approves...
 
2007-04-25 12:52:06 PM
I think you have that wrong; liberals are nanny-staters too, as evidenced by public smoking bans, foie gras bans, "global warming" restrictions, etc. Both parties are horrible institutions.

actually, you're off base

smoking ban: curb the unwanted/unrequested carcinogens that I have to breath
foie gras bans: i'll give you that
global warming restrictions: (no quotes necessary since it's a real noun) yes.. and the EPA is being a nanny for trying to limit the amount of mercury in your water. yes.. all global warming 'freaks' are coddling people for wanting to keep the planet 'livable'.

/rolls eyes
 
2007-04-25 12:52:13 PM
WayneKerr

The last time I checked, people weren't getting wasted at Bingo and proceeding to go out and rape people and animals. I don't recall news stories of elderlies robbing the local liquor store to support their Bingo habit.


Wait, wha? Online gambling causes animal rape?
 
2007-04-25 12:52:37 PM
It's not a sin because you do it in churches.

And the reason you can do it in churches? Because there's no hope of taxing it.


I think both major parties have become so convoluted no one knows where one stops and the other starts. If done correctly, the Libertarian party could have a major draw. They need, among other things, a concise (for 24/7 media sound bites) and consistent platform.
 
2007-04-25 12:52:42 PM
heap: well, let's just say i'd also like jessica alba's ass to be my own personal pillow

Ewwww. Don't you know what comes out of there?

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2007-04-25 12:52:58 PM
WayneKerr



Posting pictures of weed has always been legal. Sorry, you rebellious wonder, try again.


Yes and so is posting Asshat comments like yours ...unfortunately!
 
2007-04-25 12:53:38 PM
heap: the online gambling folks must have gotten a lobby together to rival the brick and mortar gambling lobbies.

FTA: "Why anyone thinks it is any of my business why some adult wants to gamble is absolutely beyond me," Frank told a community bankers group conference.

Yes, they did.
 
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