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(Some 50 MT Firecracker)   The story of Царь-бомба, literally "Emperor Bomb," the hugest-ass nuclear weapon ever detonated in the history of history. Photos and a killer video   (nonk.info) divider line 131
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2007-04-23 02:17:03 AM  
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2046393742348211186

Go rent Trinity and Beyond if you ever get the inkling. Good video aboutnooclear devices.
 
2007-04-23 02:17:51 AM  
 
2007-04-23 02:18:29 AM  
www.nonk.info

Heres an example of how NOT to build a graph folks. The real axis is the Y-scale. The height of the bombs is supposed to be the scaling of the bombs. But the viewer looks at the areas (which are not scaled to the size of the bombs at all) and sees a much much larger bomb.

Granted, it was a large bomb, but it wasn't a million times as large as hiroshima.
 
2007-04-23 02:19:32 AM  
It makes me think of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3f1uVmQuY


Muahahahahahah

If I can't do photoshops, this is the next best thing
 
2007-04-23 02:22:07 AM  
It's interesting to understand the "Tsar" name.
It is a weapon made so large it has no practical military value except to impress.

It began with the Tsar Cannon in 1586, with a caliber of nearly a yard wide. It was probably never fired.
upload.wikimedia.org

In WWI they tried the Tsar Tank, which was intended to be an ominous trench-spanning demon but was quickly proven completely useless in field tests as it became apparent that the wheels only got stuck and would easily be damaged by even light weapons.
upload.wikimedia.org

Tsar Bomba was never meant to be an actual weapon of war. The entire bomber was designed around it and could barely lift off and had only minimal range- bad since you want your base to be as far as possible from ground zero. It would be an incredibly slow beast and if you tried to actually fly it over a combat zone it'd be very difficult to defend.
Nor is there any real need, since more conventional nuclear bombs could already pretty much wipe a city off the map. It was known to be absurd by both sides when it was demonstrated. There was sort of a "because we can" reasoning IMHO. Well, also while the west was trying to get better accuracy, Soviets weren't able to get the accuracy and were instead going for size. As such it was a project that furthered the entire field of large bombs (though they never intended to deploy ones of this size).

Modern missile designs use the Multiple Reentry Vehicle (MiRV) plan, where a single missile shower multiple "small" warheads over an area. 8x 4MT warheads ideally spaced out do a hell of a lot more kill than one big 32MT. A single missile can probably do much more damage than Tsar Bomba.
 
2007-04-23 02:26:12 AM  
Oznog: There was sort of a "because we can" reasoning IMHO.

It may have had a lot to do with testing tertiary stages on fusion bombs. They knew the 2-stage bombs would work, but adding a third stage would also create a bigger explosion. Theoretically, they could keep adding stages to create bombs more and more powerful.
 
2007-04-23 02:28:01 AM  
desolationrow

You may want to look up the concept of MAD and consider what would have happened between the US and USSR had we not both been armed to the teeth with nukes.
 
2007-04-23 02:28:53 AM  
blog.thedemocraticdaily.com

And currently, the Doomsday Clock tells us we're only 5 minutes from Megiddo. In short: be it 2 years, 15 years, or 150 years, eventually, humanity is doomed to nuke itself to oblivion.

We- or just our progeny, are definitely farked. There's too many missing nukes floating around out there, as well as the tens of thousands still in active service, to escape that possibility.

Statistically speaking, were lucky to still be here now. There's at least one credit to Mr. McNamara and the Kennedy boys.
 
2007-04-23 02:33:35 AM  
shawn82
You may want to look up the concept of MAD and consider what would have happened between the US and USSR had we not both been armed to the teeth with nukes.

It won't matter who's right when there's nobody left.
 
2007-04-23 02:37:54 AM  
It isn't about who's right and who's wrong. The fact that both actors were rational and had huge nuclear arsenals prevented WWIII and millions of casualties. People can die just as well from conventional weapons.
 
2007-04-23 02:39:20 AM  
dj245: Granted, it was a large bomb, but it wasn't a million times as large as hiroshima.

no, but over 3000 times as large in terms of yield. Still impressive.

desolationrow: God damn each and every one of them.

You really should switch to decaf...

Goodfella: There's too many missing nukes floating around out there, as well as the tens of thousands still in active service, to escape that possibility.

Nukes don't have a very long shelf life. Nevermind if you don't happen to have the arming instructions, well you get one shot at it, don't get it right, the weapon is useless.
 
2007-04-23 02:40:30 AM  
Humans are stupid.
 
2007-04-23 02:40:56 AM  
Yep, it was a grond bestuurd alright.
www.geekazon.com
 
2007-04-23 02:41:13 AM  
desolationrow

It won't matter who's right when there's nobody left.

And according to game theory and MAD theory, your logic also occurs to major governments who understand that a nuke war is one no one can win, so nukes take a different strategic purpose, that of deterring their own use. If only one nation had them there would be no reason not to use them, but when two nations have them, nukes will never be used in cold war style all out global thermonuclear war. What we fear now are uranium bombs and a lone terrorist with a suitcase nuke of tiny proportions. now THAT is something to fear for the people responsible are nebulous and are unable to be hit with nukes since they are not big targets.

Symmetrical warfare is not dangerous, everyone knows the consequences of action and so will not act in their own nations destruction, Asymmetrical warfare is extremely dangerous since one side can strike with nuclear force without having to worry about being hit with anywhere near the same level of force in return.
 
2007-04-23 02:42:07 AM  
desolationrow: It won't matter who's right when there's nobody left.

As he said, try looking up the concept first and understand what shawn82 was saying first.

Hint, consider the non-cold war with massive casualties that most likely would has resulted...
 
2007-04-23 02:42:19 AM  
dj245
Heres an example of how NOT to build a graph folks...

Granted, it was a large bomb, but it wasn't a million times as large as Hiroshima.


Not a million, just 2,500 times the size. Which couldn't be shown on that kind of graph anyway. Looks like they did the best they could regarding the absurdity of the scales they were working with.
 
2007-04-23 02:44:00 AM  
I doubt we're gonna kill ourselves with nuclear weapons. I think a biological attack is more likely to wipe us out. We'll release some new virus or nerve agent, and it'll mutate. The stockpiled cure we have will no longer work, and we'll die a slow, agonizing death.

If ya think about it, thats probably what happened in those 'Dawn of the Dead' movies.
 
2007-04-23 02:44:15 AM  
Man, you just gotta love living on a type 13 planet!
 
2007-04-23 02:45:34 AM  
Working link for the video I posted earlier,

This is my ticket to hell, seriously it is stamped already. The looks of horror at its premiere where just awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3f1uVmQuY
 
2007-04-23 02:49:12 AM  
The Mutually Assured Destruction paridigm is still in effect, though I think that the possibilty of an all-outnooclear exchange is off the table, at least for the next few decades. The more likely scenario is that country X buys or develops a small nuclear weapon, sticks it in a shipping container to New York or San Francisco, offloads and buries it. This could be an effective counter to regieme-change style asymetrical wars. This also explains why the DoD's ICBM defense system is seen as such a threat the the world's nuclear powers. This would in effect give the United States First Strike capabilities, meaning that we could launch an ICBM attack without fearing such reprisals in return; thus invalidating the MAD equilibrium.
 
2007-04-23 02:57:38 AM  
The Tsar bomb was huge, but this weapon we were working on was WAY cooler. A nuclear powered supersonic low altitude multi warhead missile, called SLAM. It was sort of like a nuclear powered supersonic Tomahak that could fire off multiple H-bombs at targets along the way. If that wasn't bad enough the engines put off deadly radiation and since it would fly at mach 4 at sea level the shock waves from the missile itself would destroy everything in its path.
 
2007-04-23 03:04:13 AM  
Christian Bale

-Surely you don't think that the primary blast radius is the only destruction zone? The shock wave would travel a far greater distance than 110 miles and still retain a lot of it's power; the same for thermal effects and fast neutrons. Not to mention if it was a ground burst- the eastern 3rd of the U.S. would be uninhabitable for decades...
 
2007-04-23 03:05:54 AM  
The Doctor is not impressed.
www.pilgrimomega.com
 
2007-04-23 03:14:30 AM  
ignite ice:I was being facetious but I like your style.

I think the real reason they toned it down was to prevent their comrades in the bomber from getting incinerated by the incredibly massive fireball. Rare restraint considering the Soviet solution to the nuclear-powered airplane question was to just eliminate the prohibitively heavy lead shielding altogether.
 
2007-04-23 03:14:43 AM  
Oznog: It began with the Tsar Cannon in 1586, with a caliber of nearly a yard wide. It was probably never fired.

On my trip to Russia in... what was it... '92?... we got to tour the Armory and related museums in Moscow's Kremlin, and the Tsar Cannon was incredible.

As I've seen mentioned elsewhere, while it may have been fired, our guild who was very knowledgeable about various thing thinks it may have been test-fired with some form of shot, to utterly useless effect (much like the Tsar Bomb, actually)

Russia seems to have a history of making the "biggest bang around" for propoganda purposes, and as you said "because we can". It's an interesting history.

In fact, while I did get to tour the Hermitage, I think the Armory/Kremlin museum was more interesting... all the the exhibits they have on display as so "very Russian".

/very cool place to visit
 
2007-04-23 03:21:56 AM  
RTFarticle: I think the real reason they toned it down was to prevent their comrades in the bomber from getting incinerated by the incredibly massive fireball.

I believe I read somewhere that there was some worry among the people making the bomb about just how big it was going to be. I mean, nobody had any idea what a 50MT explosion would be like, let along 100+MT...

It seems like a last second change... "oh crap... maybe we should just try it with only 2 of the three stages first, so the whole country doesn't accidently end up a big darwin award."
 
2007-04-23 03:27:10 AM  
Pretty excellent, gotta love mother Russia. One question though, how far away should I put my microwave burrito for optimal heating?
 
2007-04-23 03:28:12 AM  
The people telling us that having nuclear weapons prevents casualties are the people who want to pacify the public against the carnage involved in using them. I'm sure it'd be a different story if another country used nuclear weapons on civilian targets in your country to prevent casualties on their side. Back it up with whatever studies, statistics and quotes from warmongering scientists that you want, but the fact doesn't change thatnooclear bombs are made to kill people who probably didn't support the war effort in the first place. And next time, it could very well be you.
 
2007-04-23 03:30:00 AM  
You're right, codenazi.

The article must be wrong when they said they did it to reduce the fallout dramatically.

Stupid authors.
 
2007-04-23 03:31:11 AM  
From the article: "There was a strong incentive for this modification since most of the fallout from a test of the bomb would fall on populated Soviet territory."
 
2007-04-23 03:33:50 AM  
MY BAD!

It's not codenazi, it's RTFarticle.

\God, I'm not doing well at 2am.

My bad, codenazi. You DID RTFarticle
 
2007-04-23 03:41:25 AM  
codenazi

meh... I've seen several articles on the subject that all have slightly different information in them. It's probably a multitude of reasons in any case.
 
2007-04-23 03:44:11 AM  
VernalTrout

Well, according to a nuclear weapons effect calculator I looked at, 50 megatons will yield a thermal radiation raidus (3rd degree burns) at 58km. So, right around 36 miles away will do.
 
2007-04-23 03:45:30 AM  
Iron Maiden
2 Minutes To Midnight

Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we dont need a reason
The golden goose is on the loose
And never out of season
Some blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Heres my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death.

Chorus
The killers breed or the demons seed,
The glamour, the fortune, the pain,
Go to war again, blood is freedoms stain,
But dont you pray for my soul anymore.
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom.
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb.

The blind men shout let the creatures out
Well show the unbelievers
The napalm screams of human flames
Of a prime time belsen feast...yeah!
As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy,
We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies.

Chorus

The body bags and little rags of children torn in two
And the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you.
As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song,
To the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun.

Chorus

Midnight...all night...
 
2007-04-23 03:52:23 AM  
piltdown

Actually... RTFarticle is semi-right... they toned down the scale of the blast (and had enormous parachutes for the bomb) so that the bomber could actually manage to fly away from the blast
 
2007-04-23 04:11:16 AM  
Why aren't we launching nukes into space and detonating them yet? The U.S. could 1 up everyone and keep it safe still. Good show for July 4th too.

This would be a colossally stupid thing to do. The EMP (ElectroMagnetic Pulse) generated from nukes exploding in space would fry most of the integrated circuit chips on the planet - and then where would we get our porn?


Both US and Russia exploded many nukes in space during the test-extravaganza periods of the 50's and the 60's.

Regarding the graf: I'll bet you that the size of the mushroom cloud is NOT scaling according to the size of the blast. Allthough the Tsar bomba blast was 3330 times stronger than the one in Hiroshima (in means of energy-output), the Tsar Bomba mushroom cloud wasn't 3330 times bigger.
 
2007-04-23 04:21:07 AM  
One more Dune quote

There should be a science of discontent. People need hard
times and oppression to develop psychic muscles.
-From "Collected sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan
 
2007-04-23 04:24:05 AM  
sorry, that was for another topic, still it is kinda applicable, but not totally,

( that was for the "Gen Y has more tragedy than WW2" Thread)
 
2007-04-23 04:32:22 AM  
HAHA! from Ninjawitch's profile:

Many have made a serious mistake of prejudging me, and most of my life I've had to fight for respect when others have wiped their feet on me thus I've become a disciplined martial artist to keep my abilities in check and control.

/takes his bike off sweet jumps
 
2007-04-23 04:43:49 AM  
 
2007-04-23 05:15:13 AM  
We need to mount a Tsar cannon on a Tsar tank that shoots Tsar Bombs.

That would be tits.
 
2007-04-23 05:19:20 AM  
Damn Interesting has more depth on this. Interesting links, too.
Most of the information is in the Wikipedia entry.
Video of the bomb drop is on Google video.

/Drunk but helpful
/+ Atomic slashy
 
2007-04-23 05:22:05 AM  
This would be a colossally stupid thing to do. The EMP (ElectroMagnetic Pulse) generated from nukes exploding in space would fry most of the integrated circuit chips on the planet - and then where would we get our porn?

Because the earth isn't already being bombarded with EMPs and cosmic radiation 24/7/365. You DO realize the earth has a magnetic shield, right?

Heres an example of how NOT to build a graph folks...

Exactly what is wrong with the graph? It simply shows the power of each bomb. Each one is represented properly. You guys don't seem to have a good grasp on exponents and fractions. Hiroshima was ~ 15 KT, while it is not uncommon for todays nuclear weapons to be in the MT range. As it said, Czar was scaled from 100 MT to 50 MT. I don't know if the pretty mushroom clouds are scrambling your brains... but the graph is spot on.
 
2007-04-23 05:36:58 AM  
a 40 mile mushroom cloud? Dayam.........

/shrooooooms.........
 
2007-04-23 05:39:17 AM  
The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth.

Click HERE if you'd like to read more.
 
2007-04-23 05:40:54 AM  
Sorry ThePuceGuardian, didn't notice that you already linked to it.
 
2007-04-23 06:38:23 AM  
Good thing we stopped testing them. Otherwise, Gort would have shown up and kicked our asses.
 
2007-04-23 06:48:34 AM  
www.canadacool.com
Lookit the unit on that guy!
 
2007-04-23 07:11:02 AM  
spurs.satexas.com
nuf said
 
2007-04-23 08:15:25 AM  
Does anyone else have a rod right now?
 
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