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(Dallas News)   Within hours of Pat Tillman's death, the Army was in info-lockdown mode, cutting phone connections at the base, posting guards on his platoon, and ordering his uniform burned. Keep in mind, these are the same people that handled Abu Gharib   (dallasnews.com) divider line 64
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2007-04-20 11:57:50 PM  
It's a tragedy that Mr. Tillman was killed. Even worse that it was by friendly fire and the apparent cover up is a disgrace.

But, there are well over 3000 other fine men and women who have been killed in this adventure Bush lead us on, and I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing about Tillman.
 
2007-04-21 12:13:35 AM  
I, for one, haven't heard about Pat Tillman ever since his death report was found to be a complete fraud, scripted by the Rumsfeldian military cover-up wagon of aught 3 - aught 5, and further buried by the Bush-Cheney Circus that followed. Therefore, Tillman has failed...FAILED to annoy or infuriate me.

I blame the Cardinals.

Long live this hopeless, bloodsucking, disgraceful, cartoonish excuse for a presidential administration.
 
2007-04-21 12:35:37 AM  
Eat More Possum: It's a tragedy that Mr. Tillman was killed. Even worse that it was by friendly fire and the apparent cover up is a disgrace.

His PL was a f*cking idiot. He broke up his platoon whilst in-country to carry out the mission so he did not look bad. When they finally got their vehicle up they ran into their own people, blue on blue occured.

Ass-covering. Completely against the Ranger Code. Anyone in leadership associated with this incident should have their tab and scroll ripped off and pissed on.

For anyone who does not know what that means, that is an insult worse than death.
 
2007-04-21 12:42:33 AM  
NewportBarGuy: His PL was a f*cking idiot. He broke up his platoon whilst in-country to carry out the mission so he did not look bad. When they finally got their vehicle up they ran into their own people, blue on blue occured.

Ass-covering. Completely against the Ranger Code. Anyone in leadership associated with this incident should have their tab and scroll ripped off and pissed on.


We know this.

My point is, sad as it may be, Tillman is not deserving of one more bit of sorrow than the other people who have died in this 'War on Terror'.

The fact that he played pro ball and was well known should be irrelevant.

The important thing is that good men and women are dying daily in this misadventure.
 
2007-04-21 12:45:05 AM  
NBG--

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2007-04-21 12:45:11 AM  
submitter: Keep in mind, these are the same people that handled Abu Gharib

huh....I thought that was in a whole other country
 
2007-04-21 12:48:45 AM  
log_jammin

it was a whole other country, still the same regime.

/EMP is my surrogate father.

oh yeah, /subby
 
2007-04-21 12:49:17 AM  
wegro froestu: still the same regime.

regime?
 
2007-04-21 12:51:39 AM  
Eat More Possum: Tillman is not deserving of one more bit of sorrow than the other people who have died in this 'War on Terror'.

Blame DoD for that. He was a good Ranger, who stated through his own correspondence that all he wanted to do was be a Ranger and serve his country. He was not looking for photo ops and shunned them as best he could.

His Silver Star Medal should also be stripped. He did not earn that medal.

He was simply an American who signed up for one of the toughest jobs in the United States Military and was used for a PR job. He should be honored for the Purple Heart/Gold Star hero he is, not what the Pentagon made him out to be.
 
2007-04-21 12:53:24 AM  
he died.

it was effed up.

the gubment effed up.

move on.
 
2007-04-21 12:56:22 AM  
WHAT regime, you ignorant bastard? Which one? This one?

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I've never even heard their record.
 
2007-04-21 12:58:50 AM  
/And I'll guarantee they've never heard yours, wegro.
 
2007-04-21 12:59:07 AM  
thamike: WHAT regime, you ignorant bastard? Which one? This one?

word
 
2007-04-21 01:06:43 AM  
I'm sorry but this absolutely disturbed me...

for one, they covered up details of his death including this lockdown.
they used his death as a propaganda tool for recruitment

they committed a fraud against every single one of the people at that service honoring him after his death...

this is a sad state of affairs. you might ask who are "they"? "they" are the folks responsible for his death and the ensuing coverup...beyond that, i sincerely doubt you would be able to prove much.
 
2007-04-21 01:08:31 AM  
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He makes declarative statements out of relativity, man!
 
2007-04-21 01:20:58 AM  
But, there are well over 3000 other fine men and women who have been killed in this adventure Bush lead us on, and I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing about Tillman

completely agree, the only thing is with his death it brought about investigations that otherwise would have been swept under the rug.

I hasten to say this because I dont want others to look at my words as favoring the death of pat tillman, because i'm not. but his death did open up some investigations and bring a little transparency into the military operations. Its just sad it took the death of a soldier to do it, it should have been that way regardless.
 
2007-04-21 01:31:58 AM  
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And you mean NFL player. Not Soldier. There have been plenty of Soldiers killed in similar situations. The only reason Tillman was ever in the news is because he was a pro ball (minor) celebrity player, and the retards who run the W.H., Pentagon, & Military admin decided to pull a Baby Jessica on his corpse. This dubious choice, much like almost every other one, has come back to bite them all in their respective asses.

It would be entertaining if it wasn't so tragic.
 
2007-04-21 01:47:55 AM  
It is common to go to commo lockdown when someone dies. This is so the family can be notified by a chaplin and the CAO, before one of their friends/fellow soldiers notifies them.

The other stuff not so much.

/1st Cav
//former CAO
///hooah
 
2007-04-21 01:52:03 AM  
BCD--Have you been in a long, drawn-out coma, or are you trying to be cute?
 
2007-04-21 02:04:45 AM  
thamike: BCD--Have you been in a long, drawn-out coma, or are you trying to be cute?

I have been part of two deployments. I dont know what you're referring to as being cute, or in a coma. I just said that it is common practice to shut down communications (internet and phones) on the FOB when someone dies, until their family has been notified by the Chaplin and CAO. The other stuff was completely out of line and those involved in a cover up should be punished.
 
2007-04-21 02:34:17 AM  
But this is EXTREMELY OLD NEWS. The cover-up has already been uncovered, a long time ago. Some Johnny-No-Knows shot Tillman in the face by accident. The Pentagon tried to pull yet another fast one on the public by sending a hero story out...Yeah...Maybe they won't ask those questions whut we duzint lahk anserin...

Seriously, just from the first paragraph...BURN his uniform?

Judging from who you claim to be, I would think you would be OUTRAGED. (despite the fact that this entire story is a re-run, ordered by retards for some nefarious reason)
 
2007-04-21 02:37:26 AM  
Then again...If you are privy to such info...Let's have it. Doesn't have to be specific. But if you could throw a hypothetical in the mix, I'd be absolutely enthralled.
 
2007-04-21 02:49:27 AM  
thamike: Judging from who you claim to be, I would think you would be OUTRAGED.

I think you're being a bit harsh. He did say the cover up was out of line.

I have no experience with that myself but I have heard that communication is restricted until family is contacted. And I've heard it from several people. As in real life people not just random comments on here.
 
2007-04-21 02:58:59 AM  
Dishonesty, cover up, and extreme social/political manipulation at any cost?
That's unpossible!
 
2007-04-21 03:01:42 AM  
thamike: Then again...If you are privy to such info...Let's have it. Doesn't have to be specific. But if you could throw a hypothetical in the mix, I'd be absolutely enthralled.

All I said, was it is very common to cease communications when someone dies. That portion of the story shouldn't be news. Every thing else involved in this story is either highly immoral or downright illegal.
 
2007-04-21 03:03:49 AM  
At least we still have the heroic saga of Jessica Lynch to hold on to. The government would never exploit the death or injury of a soldier for recruiting or ratings boosting purposes...right?
It sucks that Tillman was killed, and unless it was a deliberate setup, it must really suck to be the fellow soldier who pulled the trigger. That's a lot of guilt to live with.
With all the crap going on that we do know about, it terrifies me to think about everything were not hearing about, or that the current administration has yet to be called out on.
 
2007-04-21 03:30:47 AM  
The degree of control on what you people are exposed to. Do you wonder how long it will take before you grow into a really farked up.. and I mean REALLY farked up society?

I already won't cross the border on a bet. I wonder what kind of people your children will turn out like.
 
2007-04-21 03:37:17 AM  
log_jammin: huh....I thought that was in a whole other country

Where do you think the guards were posted before Abu Gharib? Look it up.
 
2007-04-21 03:47:13 AM  
At one time I actually loved this country. But that was back when it was still America. I never thought I'd say it, but the world really would be a better place if this country (in its present form) didn't even exist.
 
2007-04-21 03:56:14 AM  
MWeather: Where do you think the guards were posted before Abu Gharib?

wow

who would have guessed
 
2007-04-21 04:05:54 AM  
God farking quit pissing and moaning. I personally think media should be banned from War zones. Just for this. Media in Warzones get to pick and choose which stories come out of it, and show people problems that arent there. I know from personal experience that the Media think they are entitled to any information they want when they are over here. Case in point - Geraldo Rivera got pissy with me on my first rotation over to Iraq when he was trying to stand in the door way of a classified area. Fark the media. No one cares about this Pat Tillman shiat. Its being handled.
 
2007-04-21 04:33:23 AM  
jat26006

Yea, had the media not put their grubby paws all over this case, the military wouldn't have been forced to defend themselves by burning his uniform. Yea good one.

Actually, who the fark cares about the media. Just stop burning uniforms, covering up every blemish, concocting another dozen public relations master plans, and fight the farking battle. Not that hard is it? Or do the neocons just think their fabulous mission accomplished campaigns are gonna win the war for us?

I don't buy that for a second.
 
2007-04-21 04:37:41 AM  
jat26006: Fark the media. No one cares about this Pat Tillman shiat. Its being handled.

Well, I for one am CONVINCED.

But . . . if it hadn't been for the media, how would the Chancellor have let us know that the communists had burned down the Reichstag?

/I'm so confused
 
2007-04-21 04:38:57 AM  
Captain America is dead.
2007-04-21 03:47:13 AM sunlion [TotalFark]
 
2007-04-21 11:21:14 AM  
cmunic8r99: he died.

it was effed up.

the gubment effed up.

move on.


Effed up implies incompetence. This was a clear-cut case of serious wrongdoing.
 
2007-04-21 11:48:03 AM  
That's right ma'am, your son died for nothing at the hands of idiots in a war begun by morons.

Have a nice day.
 
2007-04-21 11:48:11 AM  
What is worse, the Tillman cover-up or the people that still support this administration despite 6 years of incompetence?
 
2007-04-21 12:08:28 PM  
For what it's worth, Broadcastdave is right - shutting down the phones and internet is pretty much SOP these days.
 
2007-04-21 12:09:21 PM  
davynelson: That's right ma'am, your son died for nothing at the hands of idiots in a war begun by morons.

No, he died in Afghanistan.
 
2007-04-21 12:19:28 PM  
Honor and Integrity restored in The White House yet again.
 
2007-04-21 12:25:13 PM  
Broadcast--Ah. Sorry. I see what you mean. That part would be Romero news. Hardly scandalous.
 
2007-04-21 12:26:27 PM  
Killed for what he saw.

Now, go back to sleep.
 
2007-04-21 12:27:10 PM  
davynelson--He died in Afghanistan. And you couldn't drag that guy away from going to war.
 
2007-04-21 12:27:57 PM  
deeproy--What did he see?
 
2007-04-21 12:59:23 PM  
i'm sorry the war in afghanistan WASN'T started by morons?

my mistake.

i thought every war was.
 
2007-04-21 01:07:40 PM  
That guy was a tool. He quit sports to go fight because he was mad about 911. DUMBASS Iraq had nothing to do with 911. Might wanna do some research before you go get yourself killed Mr American Hero.
 
2007-04-21 01:12:54 PM  
oh lord, this is going to be funny...
 
2007-04-21 01:27:04 PM  
oh it's too nice outside to bicker details


neither war has solved problems for anyone

and the guy was a tool
obviously

but possibly not as stupid as his colleagues
 
2007-04-21 01:41:10 PM  
Classic case of Stupidity rearing its ugly head and be squashed by the hammer of Patriotism.

Guy who could've went to the NFL and made millions for himself shows honor and patriotism only to die by the stupidity of his fellow comrades.

Military drapes the incident in American flag and issues a "Hero Fallen fighting Enemy" sticker....
 
2007-04-21 02:00:21 PM  
There are two reasons Tillman's death is a big deal:

First and most important: the way it was handled. Lies, misinformation, and cover-up. This is indicative of the character of people we have running this country. It is news, it should be news, everybody should know about it, and those responsible need a permanent vacation.

The second is purely emotional. Tillman was a celebrity, and thus many people had a bigger emotional attachment than they would somebody they did not know. This emotional reaction was made even larger because of his character. When he turned down millions of dollars to server his country, because he believed in it. He willing gave his life. That shows very very rare character, especially in this day and age.


Tillman's death is no more tragic than any of the thousands of others who died serving. Tillman was no more important than any of them.


What Tillman was, was a hero. EVERYBODY who has given up everything to serve their country is a hero. But of all the other heroes, he had a face and a name and a reputation that people recognized.


What makes Tillman's death something we should all know about are the mistakes that lead up to it, and the despicable actions that followed it. We should be learning from those mistakes. The Army should be learning how to keep it from happening, but that is the smallest of the mistakes.

The biggest mistake is our own. Tillman's death, and the fiasco that followed is our fault. Why? Ultimately, we put men and women lacking moral integrity into positions of absolute power, than sat back and watched in amazement and anger and disbelief at what they have done with that power.
 
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