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2007-04-19 02:06:11 PM
marylander
i never really been able to figure out those types of arguments

I think the point would be that while he doesn't "know" he got what he wanted, it would encourage others who might be in a similar state to think along the lines that they could follow his path and become famous, albeit posthumously.
 
2007-04-19 02:06:56 PM
I believe this is an excersise in futility. They don't air it, someone else will and then play it in continous loop over and over again. There isn't much to stop this process... unless, yes thats it, that's the ticket we'll play a game called...GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR.

/i've derailed and i know it
 
2007-04-19 02:07:10 PM
To show the killer's video, with his voice is wrong. If you've got to show something, show the tape without the audio. Transcribe his words.

Bad Bad call NBC.
 
2007-04-19 02:07:59 PM
lunchinlewis: I didn't like that they aired it immediately. I mean, it will be newsworthy and pertinent eventually, after law enforcement and the mental health people have a chance to use it. But NBC and everybody else jumped the gun, had to show it so soon, and now Wolf Blitzer is on camera playing amateur psychologist, and that just starts the snow ball effect that has no real benefit to the whole damn thing.

Yeah, I didn't much like the talking heads trying to speculate, either. But that aways happens - the news people are so full of shiat and they need to think of stuff to yap about for however long they are on the camera. My favorite was when they were saying he was trying to look like a "matrix" character. Ha ha.

But really, what difference does it make when it was aired? Is any time REALLY a good time for all people? Will the videos somehow lose their edge after police and psychologists have reviewed it? I also don't really agree that NBC kept the video to themselves. It wasn't long before everyone had a copy of it and I saw pics on just about every major news outlet.

Now, I know the last thing the families of those killed want to see is this bastard staring back at them on the tube, but I think it's better for everyone to know the answer to the question "why?" than not. They had to piece together what the Columbine killers were thinking. But this guy put a ribbon on it and sent it to the world. The videos are important to me because it makes me wonder how far are you or I or anyone is from this level of insanity. The kid had to be somewhat normal at one point or another. What pushed him over the edge? Something got planted in his head a long time ago and has been festering ever since. What was it? The answer just might be in that manifesto, and it is the key to keep history from repeating itself once again.
 
2007-04-19 02:08:01 PM
marylander: i don't get why all these people are saying not to mention his name or show his picture because he would have wanted it to happen that way

i mean he is dead now!
he died thinking that was going to happen anyways
your not airing it doesn't make a difference in that regard


But what about the next ignored emo kid? All he has to do is kill some people and the news becomes his personal Youtube.
 
2007-04-19 02:08:03 PM
Mekongcola,

The only Family I want to hear from is Cho's...

Honestly, I feel worse for his family than any of the families of the murdered students.

Their families have an outpouring of sympathy and support.

His family will, in general, be viewed with suspicion or simply avoided even though they've lost a son.

Personally, I think it would be easier to cope with having your kid murdered than having your kid kill 30 people and then kill themselves.
 
2007-04-19 02:09:03 PM
In many cases families of victims find ways to express their anger. They often put it on things (like this case) where it doesn't really matter. We should all just give an understanding "no", keeping into account what they are going through but also not letting irrationality get in the way. Most of us are interested in seeing this. It isn't morbid, the media isn't showing dead bodies. It's just a glimpse into the mind of a guy who held all of America's attention.
 
2007-04-19 02:09:08 PM
I can tell you as someone who lost people I knew on Monday, my initial revulsion at these media vultures was overcome by an overwhelming need to honor those I knew, by describing their lives and spirit to anyone who would listen. I never thought I would do that.

There's a bit of a difference between a friend in shock and parents 2 days after the fact.

I even lowered myself to speak to a FoxNews camera

See - you must have been in shock...

My condolances on your losses.
 
2007-04-19 02:09:21 PM
SchlingFo: While I agree with the decision to air it, I'm not going to pretend that people are watching this for greater understanding.

I did... When someone does something like this, the thing I want to know is why. The next thing I want to know is what the person acted like, are there things I can gather from watching that guy that will show me traits that others might display that could give me a warning signs about that person possibly being dangerous.

So... if you watched any of the videos of him and were watching it simply for the 'trainwreck factor', that's on you. Personally, I feel it's best to try and understand everything, not just the things you find 'tasteful'.

As for the guy getting famous for what he did, he became famous the moment he did it... the media didn't make him that way, he did. When people do extraordinary (even horrible extraordinary things), people take notice. You think anyone was going to ignore who he was? No... He made his mark in history.

He isn't profiting off of it... his family (if he has any) isn't profiting off it. I could imagine of the victims or witnesses profiting off it, but I haven't seen that happen yet. At least I can say one thing, I'm glad he picked NBC and not Fox news.

Bottom line... it was a disgusting thing to do. It's best we learn as much as we can about it so we can at least make some attempt to avoid situations like that in the future as best we can.
 
2007-04-19 02:10:03 PM
Man that is silly, they had to show it.
I watched it online. Oh the internets have everything, and then I don't need to see the same shiat over and over again on tv.
One of the sillyist clips I've seen is with Chris Mathis (sp) of MSNBC interviewing the suitmate. He kept insisting that video games "this counterstrike" were part of the blame. The dude was like I "only saw him writing, I don't think he ever played video games". It was some very odd tv. Anyone else catch that?

/pussy would have pervented this whole thing
//that is the truth the media has left out.
 
2007-04-19 02:11:27 PM
JohnnyC,

I did... When someone does something like this, the thing I want to know is why.

Sorry, I should have said, "most people".

People aren't making shows like Cheaters popular because they want to understand the dynamics of relationships.

And, I think we all know that Fark isn't exactly representative of the population of the U.S., as a whole.
 
2007-04-19 02:12:27 PM
prevented

/guess I'm perverted
 
2007-04-19 02:13:16 PM
I am sick of seeing the pictures.

This is exactly what he wanted. I don't need to see pictures of assbag pointing guns, or smiling, or anything. I don't care what he has to say. I don't need to hear it in his own words.

I'm glad he's dead. Show pictures of him with the bullet hole through his head. That's what - and all - I want to see.

/fark you cho douchebag
 
2007-04-19 02:14:13 PM
what Tech N9ne said x 1000

Do these people get paid to talk on these network shows?

What the hell do I learn to hear some family member talk about this?

I felt bad for the victims and their families when I first heard about the shootings.

"closure" and "healing" are baloney
 
2007-04-19 02:15:01 PM
Didn't watch it, don't plan to.
 
2007-04-19 02:15:08 PM
fireclown

Is it better NOT to show it?

Vaylon Kenadell

Perhaps NBC's airing of this video will lend psychopaths everywhere the encouragement they need to carry out their inane, twisted revenge plots.

What he said. That's precisely why they shouldn't have aired it. It gives him his the fame he was attention whoring for to begin with. Now anyone else who has had similar thoughts will be motivated to do so because it works.

/That's why they don't show the asshats who run out on the field during sports events. They don't want to give them the attention they are craving.
 
2007-04-19 02:15:24 PM
Mourn privately like the rest of us, for farks sake.

Word. Can it really help the grieving process to put your sadness on display for the world to see? Or perhaps are you using the opportunity of tragedy for some nefarious purpose like attention whoring. I feel horrible for all those who lost loved ones. But some people are just warped enough to use the podium for their own self-aggrandizement.
1)Lose loved ones
2)Attention whore
3)
4)Profit?
 
2007-04-19 02:15:59 PM
justanotherfarkinfarker
prevented

/guess I'm perverted


Off to the pervatory for you.
 
2007-04-19 02:16:23 PM
This dickhead has completely screwed up my life. How am I supposed to find out the latest on ANS and Imus?
 
2007-04-19 02:16:31 PM
"Honestly, I feel worse for his family than any of the families of the murdered students."

Be that as it may, I still would like to hear some background about Cho from his family. I'm sure they have some interesting information that isn't currently available for public consumption. I would like to have them questioned, not crucified...

To interview the other parents seem masturbatory to me. We all know they feel sad and hate Cho. While I feel for them I'd rather not hear them drone on about how much potential little Billy had.
 
2007-04-19 02:16:56 PM
So.

Some parents are pissed because they had planned to whore their dead kids out on TV and NBC beat them to it.

Get the fark over yourselves. The images shown clearly portray a sick individual. To the extent that the entire story continues to be newsworthy, the images certainly are too.
 
2007-04-19 02:17:24 PM
As other have said: good on those families for cancelling their appearances. The media should just leave them alone.

As far as the video, I don't think I have ever experienced soul-aching nausea ever before watching it.
 
2007-04-19 02:17:26 PM
SchlingFo
Personally, I think it would be easier to cope with having your kid murdered than having your kid kill 30 people and then kill themselves.

I don't think i'd care to make that argument, although I note your point on that one. Alternatively you were a parent or family member you could find relief that he was a god-damn monster that deserved to die. But me thinks nothing helps at that point.


And, I think we all know that Fark isn't exactly representative of the population of the U.S., as a whole

No, there isn't enough nappy headed hos. ; )
 
2007-04-19 02:18:14 PM
My problem was the timing. I do not think it should have been aired so soon.
 
2007-04-19 02:18:21 PM
The same families that have to pick out what outfit they'll look best in on the air to talk about their child's murder?

The same family members who have to sit in a chair while a network makeup artist makes them look good for the camera so they can talk about their child's murder?

Give me a farking break.

Even if NBC didn't air it, someone else would have.

Sounds like phony indignation to me.
 
2007-04-19 02:18:34 PM
bbbill
What the hell do I learn to hear some family member talk about this?

Probably not much. You may get a little view into a person's life who was murdered. And, like a previous poster mentioned, the parents probably want to talk about their children. You lose someone that close to you, I'm sure its natural to want to tell people about how great they were.

Interesting question from that though would be What the hell do I learn from watching Cho's videos? That he was crazy? Yeah... yeah kind of figured that when he killed 32 people including himself. Some fantastic insight right there...
 
2007-04-19 02:19:11 PM
High_Plains_Drifter

"I am sick of seeing the pictures."

So turn off your TV and stop biatching about it...
 
rka
2007-04-19 02:19:44 PM
Here is what scares me: somewhere out there, some other sociopath is reading that Cho's rampage is the worst mass murder in US history, and thinking...I can beat that.

Because without this new video there wasn't enough coverage yet?

This video is going to be the trigger for the psychos? Not the endless coverage on TV already, not the endless Fark threads already?

Those videos were news. Probably the most interesting news so far.

This is exactly what he wanted. I don't need to see pictures of assbag pointing guns, or smiling, or anything. I don't care what he has to say. I don't need to hear it in his own words.

Great, so you can be among the next set of people crying "How could we have known?" when it happens again.
 
2007-04-19 02:19:45 PM
MayoBoy: There's a bit of a difference between a friend in shock and parents 2 days after the fact.

I understand that too. But I've been a memorial services for the 10 people killed from my department, where some of the parents were there too. Many of them needed to speak too, to honor their children. I know that its different talking to a room full of strangers than talking to a news camera, but until I experienced this type of tragedy personally, I never understood why anyone would go on the news to share their suffering. And now I understand that for some, it's a way to honor their loved ones and it can be cathartic.

Everyone grieves in the own ways over the loss of loved ones. Some need to be alone, and some need to have their voices heard. No one should tell another person the correct way to grieve.
 
2007-04-19 02:21:03 PM
not one link to the video? come on.
 
2007-04-19 02:21:39 PM
ez2plezy: No, there isn't enough nappy headed hos. ; )

**aham** AREN'T enough nappy headed hos. ;)
 
2007-04-19 02:21:59 PM
"Mekongcola"

It's everwhere, not just the tv.

Funny - I just checked msn, yahoo, and cnn. None have buttface up on the home page anymore.

Maybe they're getting the message.
 
2007-04-19 02:22:20 PM
I agree with LessO2, there's no way that video was not going to be aired. I bet the person who received the package (he he, I said package) had money symbols in their eyes when they signed for it. I really don't know what all the fuss is about airing it, though. The killer's dead, who cares if he got what he wanted, he wasn't around to see it. He was already infamous before the thing aired, anyway. I'm shocked at how many people are appalled at NBC for airing it. For crying out loud, Algazeera airs videos of people getting their heads chopped off; everbody aired video of people jumping out of the towers; remember all of the Vietnam footage? IMHO airing videos of people dying is a million times worse than airing this guy's wacky home movies.
 
2007-04-19 02:22:27 PM
not one link to the video? come on.

Ok, here you go:

www.google.com
 
2007-04-19 02:22:35 PM
true
Some parents are pissed because they had planned to whore their dead kids out on TV and NBC beat them to it.
...
To the extent that the entire story continues to be newsworthy, the images certainly are too.


Without sinking to your level of attacking those in mourning on either side of this horror, I find it amazing that you feel broadcasting the killers last wishes is newsworthy while the grief of the families is not. I mean, you see the hypocrisy in that right? You'd be blind not to.
 
2007-04-19 02:22:37 PM
I stopped caring about this guy days ago.

I haven't seen the video - and probably won't.

But I support the media's decision to air the video, although without knowing just how much they've played it (over and over and over), I can't say for certain if all of NBC's actions are justified.

As a journalist, I hate TV news just as much as everyone else. Television reporters - for the most part - aren't considered journalists by most of the industry. That being said, stop blaming the messengers people.

If you don't want to watch it, turn the channel.

A journalism professor in college once told me that "because you can" is never a good answer to "why should you run this story." In this instance, I would argue the biggest travesty would be to *not* run the video.

It is news people. It is news worth. It needs to be aired.

If you want to argue NBC's apparent abuse of the video, argue the fact of them running it ad nauseam - if that is indeed what they are doing (apparently so.)

But don't chastise the messenger for delivering the news. As grim as it is, the video is news.

Two separate arguments.

I'd much rather live in a society where the media reports all the news and allows us to judge for ourselves than a society where the media is required to judge what's acceptable for public consumption as a whole and censor the rest.
 
2007-04-19 02:22:55 PM
drivingsouth

You'll just have to read more than the front page i suppose. ; D
 
2007-04-19 02:22:56 PM
"not one link to the video?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1pj9i3hgRg
 
2007-04-19 02:22:57 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: What movie was it where the protagonist got arrested for a pre-crime, again?

Minority Report is one.
 
2007-04-19 02:23:00 PM
WHY DO ANY OF YOU THINK THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES ARE SOMEHOW 'PROFITING' FROM TALKING TO THE MEDIA?

Most of you probably don't even have children, let alone know what it's like to lose a kid.

shiat, phony indignation? Put your kid in the ground before their 21st birthday and show us how phony your emotions are.

If they want to talk to the media, to tell the story of their child's life, then let 'em.
 
2007-04-19 02:23:33 PM
ez2plezy,

I don't think i'd care to make that argument, although I note your point on that one. Alternatively you were a parent or family member you could find relief that he was a god-damn monster that deserved to die. But me thinks nothing helps at that point.

Looking back on what I said, I realize that it's not a good choice either way, like saying it's better to have your dick chopped off than to have it fed into a meat grinder.
 
2007-04-19 02:24:38 PM
2007-04-19 01:58:40 PM VARoyalty & 2007-04-19 02:22:57 PM swaxhog



Minority Report.
====================================

Thx.
 
2007-04-19 02:24:51 PM
I'd much rather live in a society where the media reports all the news and allows us to judge for ourselves than a society where the media is required to judge what's acceptable for public consumption as a whole and censor the rest.

That must be why I've seen so much Dafur footage on TV lately.

/wah wah waaaaaah.
 
2007-04-19 02:25:20 PM
fireclown
**stands corrected**
Or English books for that matter.

/Moving to whiskey, this coffee isn't doing it anymore
 
2007-04-19 02:26:12 PM
aquigley:

Most of you probably don't even have children, let alone know what it's like to lose a kid.

shiat, phony indignation? Put your kid in the ground before their 21st birthday and show us how phony your emotions are.

If they want to talk to the media, to tell the story of their child's life, then let 'em.


Hey, go for it, I want to hear their stories as well.

But to shun NBC for airing what is news just seems a bit off to me.
 
2007-04-19 02:27:38 PM
Lusiphur

1stly, how did they tamper with evidence to show this? The film wasn't evidence when it was broadcast.

Are you kidding me? A package arrives at their door with all this information sent directly by the killer himself. It was evidence before they opened the farking package!


2nd, wtf? Why is it that you assume that NBC has any kind of responsibility to share their scoops?

Because it WASN'T THEIR SCOOP!! It was GIVEN to them.
I'm not going to argue semantics over this. So, I'll simply direct the argument to the moral obligation.
Normally there wouldn't be one. But considering the upheaval this has caused, clearly I'm correct in saying, that the right thing to do would have been to share it.

Actually... The right thing to do would have been to turn it over to authorities before opening it. You know, before they tampered with it in the first place.

I wonder if they ever thought that considering the source, that package could have been a bomb.

I stick by what I said. They are scumbags and fools.
 
2007-04-19 02:29:00 PM
Everyone LOVES wearing the victim badge. The sympathetic attention is intoxicating. Wonder how long they're going to milk it?

/already getting tired of it
 
2007-04-19 02:29:39 PM
They shouldn't be on TV 3 days after the fact anyway.
 
2007-04-19 02:30:09 PM
127.0.0.1: Things like this make me wish there was an afterlife.

Me too :(

/and a just God
 
2007-04-19 02:30:12 PM
Gray_Calox

I find it amazing that you feel broadcasting the killers last wishes is newsworthy while the grief of the families is not.

You can emotionalize all you want, but I challenge you to find where I indicated that the families' stories WERE NOT newsworthy.

Go ahead.
 
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