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(Chron)   Off-duty cop tasers man carrying his newborn as they leave the hospital. "My baby hit the concrete floor"   (chron.com) divider line 281
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2007-04-16 04:19:48 PM  
I smell lawsuit
 
2007-04-16 04:28:28 PM  
what maudibjr said.

how farking stupid of the cop. he could've hit the baby with the taser too, for chrissakes.
 
2007-04-16 04:29:34 PM  
cops lie
 
2007-04-16 04:30:36 PM  
"In a statement to reporters, William Lewis, the baby's father, said, 'I am shocked... SHOCKED..!'"
 
2007-04-16 04:32:03 PM  
I generally try not to be in a situation where I could get tasered. I've found this works very well for avoiding taserings. Why didn't this father attempt that?
 
2007-04-16 04:37:11 PM  
before everyone rushes to judgement, answer this: how do we know the cop wasn't aiming for the baby, but the dad got in the way?
 
2007-04-16 04:38:13 PM  
evulish: I've found this works very well for avoiding taserings.

That DOES work very well- around those not inclined to taser.

darkhorse23: he could've hit the baby with the taser too, for chrissakes.

My thoughts exactly. How could anyone think that was a good judgement call?
 
2007-04-16 04:38:18 PM  
evulish: I generally try not to be in a situation where I could get tasered.

Like ignoring orders to stop when told to do so?
 
2007-04-16 04:38:21 PM  
"Let the babies hit the floor
Let the babies hit the floor
Let the babies hit the floor"
 
2007-04-16 04:39:35 PM  
I have it on good authority that the baby was a jerk.
 
2007-04-16 04:40:00 PM  
I broke no laws and maybe I broke some hospital policies but I broke no laws," Lewis said. He and his wife said they were preparing to leave because they felt they were ready to leave, but "it was like you can't leave no explanation, no reason," Lewis said.

Lawsuitalarity most certainly since it sounds like someone has already lawyered up.
 
2007-04-16 04:40:04 PM  
BooBoo23: How could anyone think that was a good judgement call?

By whom?

TFA: Lewis, 30, said he and his wife were preparing to leave the hospital when staff told him he would not be able to leave with the baby. After a failed attempt to leave through the elevators with the baby, who wore an alert sensor that warns hospital officals about potential kidnappings, staff called security, Lewis said.
 
2007-04-16 04:41:59 PM  
The guy could have avoided all this by just stopping and getting everything sorted out. It's not rocket science. Stop when told to and no tasering. People bring this on themselves.
 
2007-04-16 04:42:24 PM  
Idiocy all around. If a cop tells you to stop, you stop. Tasering a guy carrying a baby is probably not a good idea.
 
2007-04-16 04:42:38 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: How could anyone think that was a good judgement call?

I think he meant that it was not a good judgement call to shoot at the dad while he was holding the baby.

//i think.
 
2007-04-16 04:42:48 PM  
Yeah, after rtfa, I have to side with the authorities on this one...it sounds as though this guy was purposely and repeatedly ignoring staff orders that he could not leave with the baby yet.
 
2007-04-16 04:43:26 PM  
But if the guy walked out with the baby and no one stopped him, then there would be people biatching about that as well.
 
2007-04-16 04:44:52 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Like ignoring orders to stop when told to do so?

Umm the baby's FATHER was leaving with his CHILD.

Man I'm glad that baby is ok...that cop could have hit her instead of dad and killed the baby.

I smell lawsuit. Charges will get dismissed no doubt about it. But OMG. I nearly had a heart attack when my husband slipped down 3 basement stairs dropping my newborn on a cement floor. I can only imagine what that mom in the article felt....

//my baby is fine
///911 was called he was xrayed and everything.
///hubby's fine too.
 
2007-04-16 04:44:57 PM  
Bubba-work: It's not rocket science. Stop when told to and no tasering.

Where's the multimillion dollar payoff in that?
 
2007-04-16 04:44:58 PM  
ohm'd
 
2007-04-16 04:45:21 PM  
Sounds like he had the baby delivered at Costco, and the old guy had to mark up the receipt before they could leave.
 
2007-04-16 04:47:12 PM  
Pandora114: Umm the baby's FATHER was leaving with his CHILD.

And the cop was supposed to know that how? He should have stopped instead of just ignoring the cop.
 
2007-04-16 04:47:54 PM  
Umm the baby's FATHER was leaving with his CHILD.

Obviously there were some hoops he hadn't jumped through yet to be approved to leave with the child. Jebus, rtfa. There are hospital baby-nappings in the news often now, it sounds as though this dude was simply being belligerent.
 
2007-04-16 04:48:34 PM  
Pandora114: Umm the baby's FATHER was leaving with his CHILD.

Absolutely. And an anti kidnapping alarm went off.

I guess we should just ignore things like that.
 
2007-04-16 04:50:09 PM  
a4dzac: Obviously there were some hoops he hadn't jumped through yet to be approved to leave with the child. Jebus, rtfa. There are hospital baby-nappings in the news often now, it sounds as though this dude was simply being belligerent.

Yeah like bowing down to the all mighty go...I mean Dr and licking his boot heels.

Yeah he shoulda stopped, but the cop was a little too trigger happy and could have hit the baby and killed her. if the drop didn't do it for them...
 
2007-04-16 04:51:35 PM  
Pandora114: Umm the baby's FATHER was leaving with his CHILD.

Just because he's the father doesn't mean he can't abduct it. Plus, how's the security guard supposed to know that?
 
2007-04-16 04:54:48 PM  
darkhorse23: I think he meant that it was not a good judgement call to shoot at the dad while he was holding the baby.

That is accurate. If the guy's carrying a two day old kid, I would think that it would not be considered good judgement to do something that would inevitably cause the child to be dropped or thrown, or even tazered.

Sure, the dude's a dumbass for not stopping, but the officer could have killed a child.
 
2007-04-16 04:56:38 PM  
Fark this asshat. Too bad the cop didn't shoot him with his real gun. Sneaking out of the hospital at 1:30 in the morning, with a baby?? Fark him.

I don't know why but, I'm getting the feeling they were trying to walk their tab.

Would love to be on that jury, I'd zero his ass out before lunch.
 
2007-04-16 04:58:54 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: I guess we should just ignore things like that.

However did things like this ever get solved before tasers?
 
2007-04-16 04:59:37 PM  
Sometimes people just need taserin'.
 
2007-04-16 04:59:59 PM  
Release the Hounds: Fark this asshat. Too bad the cop didn't shoot him with his real gun. Sneaking out of the hospital at 1:30 in the morning, with a baby?? Fark him.

Yeah, fark the baby, who cares if it gets shot too? It's the principle of the thing.
 
2007-04-16 05:00:54 PM  
What would the outrage be if the cop didn't tazer this guy and he happened to get away with a baby that wasn't his?
 
2007-04-16 05:01:53 PM  
KaponoFor3: What would the outrage be if the cop didn't tazer this guy and he happened to get away with a baby that wasn't his?

There's a sweet spot somewhere in between Tasering him and just letting him walk away.
 
2007-04-16 05:02:43 PM  
Release the Hounds: Fark this asshat. Too bad the cop didn't shoot him with his real gun. Sneaking out of the hospital at 1:30 in the morning, with a baby?? Fark him.

HIS baby. He broke no laws. The hospitals would LIKE you to believe you can't leave without their "permission", but you CAN leave at any time.

I don't know why but, I'm getting the feeling they were trying to walk their tab.

They take insurance info when you check in. They don't present you with a bill when you leave and say "You pay now!"

It takes days to weeks after discharge to even see your bill.
 
2007-04-16 05:05:07 PM  
HomerButt: HIS baby. He broke no laws. The hospitals would LIKE you to believe you can't leave without their "permission", but you CAN leave at any time.

I less than three you. You said what I wanted to say but was too worked up to do so.
 
2007-04-16 05:05:13 PM  
Okay, at the risk being a Ric Romero wannabe, here is the point.

IT WAS STUPID FOR THE FATHER TO TRY TO GET OUT WITH THE BABY.

IT WAS JUST AS STUPID FOR THE OFFICER TO SHOOT A TASER AT THE FATHER WHILE HE WAS HOLDING THE BABY.

EACH MAN PUT THE BABY AT RISK.

SEE? IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.
 
2007-04-16 05:05:19 PM  
Pig pork bacon oink.
 
2007-04-16 05:07:14 PM  
HomerButt: HIS baby. He broke no laws. The hospitals would LIKE you to believe you can't leave without their "permission", but you CAN leave at any time.

This is also very very true. To hold someone in the hospital, without a court order, is considered kidnapping.
 
2007-04-16 05:07:27 PM  
eeedlef: Pig pork bacon oink.

Thank you for your insightful contribution to this thread. Now go away. Grownups are talking.
 
2007-04-16 05:08:42 PM  
HomerButt: HIS baby. He broke no laws. The hospitals would LIKE you to believe you can't leave without their "permission", but you CAN leave at any time.

I don't think snatching the baby at 1:30 in the morning, setting off the alarm, and getting belligerent with security is the way to go about it.
 
2007-04-16 05:09:29 PM  
LordPistachio: Thank you for your insightful contribution to this thread. Now go away. Grownups are talking.

Haha. You come to Fark for insight. How tragic.
 
2007-04-16 05:10:03 PM  
A cop absuses his power and tasers someone they shouldnt???
wow, this is bizzarro world! I can't imagine that ever ever happening!
 
2007-04-16 05:10:21 PM  
But... but... did the baby bounce when it hit the floor?
If it did the birth announcements of a "bouncing baby girl" would, in this case, finally be accurate.
 
2007-04-16 05:12:08 PM  
This is very similar to the UCLA situation -- both parties could have chosen different courses of action to avert the situation, but if people would just learn to cooperate with police/security when asked, then these types of situations would not occur.
 
2007-04-16 05:12:36 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson


Pandora114: Umm the baby's FATHER was leaving with his CHILD.

Absolutely. And an anti kidnapping alarm went off.

I guess we should just ignore things like that.


Even if -- and it's a big IF -- the cop did think the guy was kidnapping a baby, there is absolutely no justification for tasering the guy while he's holding a newborn. Anymore than if he had used a gun.

There are any number of acceptable ways the cop could have dealt with this that would have not endangered the child. Breaking out the taser was not one of them.
 
2007-04-16 05:14:15 PM  
Little baby Latwanda Lakishia Johnson will never be the same.
 
2007-04-16 05:14:29 PM  
KaponoFor3


This is very similar to the UCLA situation -- both parties could have chosen different courses of action to avert the situation, but if people would just learn to cooperate with police/security when asked, then these types of situations would not occur.


The difference being that cops are public servants who are trained to deal with crisis situations and the rest of us are not.

Thus the police have a higher burden to act responsibly when confronted with a crisis.
 
2007-04-16 05:14:33 PM  
If this Rent-a-dope weren't a cop he'd be facing criminal indictment for :
false Imprisonemnt, assault, battery, endangering the welfare of a minor, unlawful detainer, attempted kidnapping etc

as it is he'll probably get a week's vacation with pay.


they hospital however will be paying out the ass since all of the above are also torts and the Cop was their agent.

Hospitals cannot detain you from leaving unless you are invountarily committed; polcies, security measures, or procedures be damned.
 
2007-04-16 05:14:40 PM  
petebevin.com
 
2007-04-16 05:16:10 PM  
gilgigamesh: Thus the police have a higher burden to act responsibly when confronted with a crisis.

This is true, no one can doubt this. But, in my opinion, a larger portion of the blame must lie at the feet of those who precipitated the crisis by poor choices.
 
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