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(Statesman.com)   Bill requiring schools to offer Bible coursework as an elective is creating a stir. In related news: Water is wet, the sun sets in the west, and it hurts to get punched in the testicles   (statesman.com) divider line 213
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2007-04-12 06:06:23 PM
okay folks, we've had this thread, like what, 10-20 times in the last week? It could be done legitimately, the government will fark it up. It won't be taught properly/inclusively enough, and it will replace science texts in the coming of the apocalypse or whatever your religion calls it. EVERYONE panic, in USA we teach bible words.
 
2007-04-12 06:07:23 PM
Smitty:

Mixing the Bible with Schools is pretty much a PMITA Prison offense, and I expect you to off yourself shortly for committing such a greivious offense.

/Gotta work my catchphrase of the day into my posts!
 
2007-04-12 06:09:31 PM
eh.

Requiring is a bit too heavy handed.

But personally, I've got nothing against schools being permitted to teach a course on the bible as literature. But forcing it is too much.
 
2007-04-12 06:13:20 PM
The bible has no place being taught in public schools unless it's in a comparative religion class, and mixed in with other religious texts.

Otherwise it is only a back door way to introduce, and possibly promote, Christianity into the classrooms.
 
2007-04-12 06:14:26 PM
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2007-04-12 06:15:28 PM
Requiring as an elective? Oxymoron.
 
2007-04-12 06:15:39 PM
FarkinHostile: img.photobucket.com

EXACTLY
 
2007-04-12 06:15:40 PM
Eat More Possum: Otherwise it is only a back door way to introduce, and possibly promote, Christianity into the classrooms.


I'm sure there is no possible way this could happen in Texas.
 
2007-04-12 06:18:11 PM
Education should cause a stir...in the minds of students.

This is good news. Let the segregationist minority quench our thirst with their tears.
 
2007-04-12 06:19:29 PM
Gosh, if only there were a place open to the public where study and interpretation of the Bible was available, with discussions and lectures from authorities on the subject, and maybe enough where there were a lot of different places with a variety views on the contents of the Bible depending on which one you wanted to choose. What could we call such a place, I wonder...
 
2007-04-12 06:21:15 PM
Nabb1, would that be...Fark?
 
2007-04-12 06:22:10 PM
TheConvincingSavant: This is good news. Let the segregationist minority quench our thirst with their tears.

What, nothing about the lamentations of their women?
 
2007-04-12 06:22:42 PM
ok FarkinHostile, you beat me to it.
 
2007-04-12 06:23:05 PM
ElvidThroop: Nabb1, would that be...Fark?

I mean someplace where people actually know what they are talking about.
 
2007-04-12 06:23:32 PM
Aren't there enough fiction courses taught already?
 
2007-04-12 06:23:59 PM
KaponoFor3

Requiring as an elective? Oxymoron.


Or maybe you're just a moron. It is not a compulsory module. The proposal is to make it compulsory for all schools to offer it to students as an elective. RTFA.
 
2007-04-12 06:24:04 PM
As long as participation is voluntary and they have the same option for other major religions, I don't see a problem.
 
2007-04-12 06:24:10 PM
Jeebus tapdancing Christ on a cracker, it's an elective. Don't want to take it? You don't have to! Why do people have to get so upset over stupid shiat like this?
 
2007-04-12 06:24:20 PM
I am so loving this. I just hope the foot in the door goes to the next logical step. Never send a disagreement to do what an all out war can do better.
 
2007-04-12 06:24:25 PM
SilentStrider: Requiring is a bit too heavy handed.

They're requiring schools to offer it as an elective. Not requiring students to take it...
 
2007-04-12 06:26:18 PM
meekychuppet: Or maybe you're just a moron. It is not a compulsory module. The proposal is to make it compulsory for all schools to offer it to students as an elective. RTFA.

i166.photobucket.com

No shiat, sherlock. Hence why I quoted "requiring ... as an elective". I was making jest.
 
2007-04-12 06:26:27 PM
Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church. Deal?
 
2007-04-12 06:26:36 PM
Maybe a "Texas" tag is needed on Fark in addition to the "Florida" tag.
 
2007-04-12 06:27:38 PM
Here is an idea...How bout if 15 kids in a school want a class taught on ANY topic that is not already offered, they have to offer it?

This could become a lot of fun...

The History of Porn and the Women Who Lived it
The History of Sports in America
How to Cook Up High Quality Meth
 
2007-04-12 06:29:01 PM
KaponoFor3: I was making jest.

Don't do that, here. This is the internet. This is serious business. Keep your humorous japes and satirical shenanigans to yourself, thank you very much.
 
2007-04-12 06:29:26 PM
FarkinHostile
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Thank you. You may yet restore my faith in mankind. The church belongs in church, not in the schools.
 
2007-04-12 06:29:28 PM
ShillinTheVillain

Jeebus tapdancing Christ on a cracker, it's an elective. Don't want to take it? You don't have to! Why do people have to get so upset over stupid shiat like this?

I dunno, maybe because their tax dollars are going to teach kids about this nonsense?

Here's the question I typically ask - would this fly if the religion we were talking about was Islam? If not, well, go spend someone else's money teaching your rugrats about religion (or, you know, go to church).
 
2007-04-12 06:30:14 PM
It's an elective so who cares?
 
2007-04-12 06:30:33 PM
LOL

/suck it atheists...
 
2007-04-12 06:32:15 PM
A religious class as an elective... that would be my dream school!

/been forcefed theology for 10 years running
//will still probably send my children to catholic school
 
2007-04-12 06:32:46 PM
I don't see what the big deal is, it would be no more worthless than the stupid art classes I had to take.
 
2007-04-12 06:33:00 PM
Well, I am all for it... as long as they require them to have electives for EVERY religion, and not just the popular one in the US... You know... the one that teaches them to have gay sex with their priests...
 
2007-04-12 06:33:09 PM
Which Bible? The Bartender's Bible? The Writing for Star Wars Bible? The Koran?

When did this suddenly become such a big issue? When exactly did this madness happen? I remember the lunatic fringe crying about prayer and the pledge at school back in my day but everyone's insane over this now.

/has no intention of spawning so could give ass of rat
 
2007-04-12 06:33:25 PM
Well, as long as it remains ELECTIVE...
 
2007-04-12 06:33:35 PM
Thank goodness that all theologians interpret passages of the bible in the same manner, and that even if they didn't, they would be totally cool with the interpretations of others.

This should be fun.
 
2007-04-12 06:33:39 PM
Isn't this THE REASON that there is no school on Sunday?
 
2007-04-12 06:34:34 PM
Nabb1: Don't do that, here. This is the internet. This is serious business.

You know, I'm really having to fight off the urge to post a "I is serious cat" pic.

i166.photobucket.com

But I didn't say anything about serious kitten.
 
2007-04-12 06:34:37 PM
Why did I know this was going to be some asshat from Texas. Bubba is already an idiot let's get to a real formal education instead of teaching this crap. ( and I didn't think they could sink any lower than Bush's nobody smarter than me idea )
 
2007-04-12 06:35:04 PM
LurkinFarker: I dunno, maybe because their tax dollars are going to teach kids about this nonsense?

Actually, depending on how it was taught it could have a lot of scholarly value. It is an important piece of literature that had a profound influence on a good majority of western history and culture in the last two millenia, to say it has NO academic value is nonsense. That said, the point has been made, that the government would only screw this up, and I certainly don't think public schools have any business teaching an entire course devoted to the book for that reason. But, you merely mention the Bible around here, and Farkers start going crazy like the apemen in 2001 when they woke up and there was suddenly a monolith by their cave...
 
2007-04-12 06:35:15 PM
MerlinX

Don't speak too soon. I'm a maggot in my own special way.
 
2007-04-12 06:35:46 PM
I rarely get in on flamewars this early so I feel I should comment.

On the one hand, pretending the Bible and Christianity doesn't exist is stupid. You can't teach the history of the West without acknowledging them. It would be a good idea for students to learn the history of the Bible and Christianity to help them better understand the world. Jesus was mentioned in my history books and I still ended up a lovable atheist.

On the other hand this bill is even more stupid. Requiring that schools offer a class on the Bible is clear favoritism for Christianity. Furthermore, it would be dicey to implement this properly. There is a difference between teaching the interpretations of the Bible through time (which this article suggests would be the purpose of the bill) and teaching the teachers interpretation of the Bible. But the article says they are working on this with lots of different religious folk so it might work out.

It would be much smarter to do religious classes the same way they do religious clubs. If enough people for it, they get it. Sure, lots of schools would have Christian classes but it would remove the taint of favoring Christianity and allow students to explore other religious if they wanted to.
 
2007-04-12 06:35:54 PM
No class in any public school can teach theology as canon. Ever. None ever will. Teaching theology as an academic subject is different.

The entire reason for this bill is the fundies trying to get their foot in the door, thinking that if they do they'll be able to step it up later.

But the law is clear.

There, that oughta result in a cool headed and simple debate on the merits of an clearly unconstitutional provision.

/*snert*
 
2007-04-12 06:36:30 PM
mypalmike: Maybe a "Texas" tag is needed on Fark in addition to the "Florida" tag.

Now that is a concept that has never before brought forth unto this website!!!! I do believe you should pound out a well reasoned email to Drew and he might just offer you a job on the spot for your brilliant contributions!!!!

/Florida is in a class of its own
 
2007-04-12 06:37:37 PM
LurkinFarker: Here's the question I typically ask - would this fly if the religion we were talking about was Islam? If not, well, go spend someone else's money teaching your rugrats about religion (or, you know, go to church).

Don't bring this up yet, let them get comfortable with what they think they want... then... oh yeah.
 
2007-04-12 06:39:47 PM
LurkinFarker
I dunno, maybe because their tax dollars are going to teach kids about this nonsense?

Here's the question I typically ask - would this fly if the religion we were talking about was Islam? If not, well, go spend someone else's money teaching your rugrats about religion (or, you know, go to church).


My tax dollars support a lot dumber classes, like pottery, band, choir, etc. I don't see how it's such a bad thing, especially if more religions were offered. Maybe we would have fewer problems if people knew a little more about the things that different people believed in.

But you're right, it makes more sense to put your fingers in your ears and go BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA instead of thinking about anything rationally. Do you realize the hypocrisy in saying that something YOU don't believe in shouldn't be allowed to be taught?
 
2007-04-12 06:39:59 PM

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2007-04-12 06:40:02 PM
They may not be able to read, write, or do math, but dadgummit they'll love the right God.
 
2007-04-12 06:40:07 PM
Hot_Soup: It's an elective so who cares?

apparently it's the people that think you can learn through osmosis or by proxy.

somehow just having a class about the Bible will somehow corrupt their "innocent" little crotch goblins.
 
2007-04-12 06:40:24 PM
They can teach it as long as they include all the things in the Bible they steer away from in Bible study. Like God advocating murder, genocide and rape:

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Plus many, many, MANY more examples can be found. The Bible advocates a lot of evil stuff, plus it contains alot of self-contradictions.

If more 'believers' actually read it, America would have less problems.
 
2007-04-12 06:41:26 PM
ShillinTheVillain: My tax dollars support a lot dumber classes, like pottery, band, choir, etc.

why are those dumber classes?
 
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