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(Yahoo)   Rosie O'Donnell thinks 9/11 was an inside job, which means she thinks the Holocaust didn't happen, which means she weighs as much as a duck, and therefore is made of wood and is a witch. Burn her   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2007-04-11 03:15:06 PM  
I don't understand why some find it hard to believe that Bush and friends stood by and let it happen. Uh...because that's exactly what they did. NOTHING! If you want to explain their inaction as incompetence, thats almost as bad as being conspirators in the act. In the end we're just as screwed either way.
 
2007-04-11 03:15:12 PM  
You know, I almost wish there was a real 9-11 conspiracy..because then they would hunt down and kill all those claiming there was a conspiracy.
 
2007-04-11 03:15:20 PM  
Yamagoo: Specific means WHO,WHAT,WHERE,WHEN,HOW

What the Fark!


The 9/11 report is online, you know.
 
2007-04-11 03:15:54 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: Oh, and it's amazing to me that if you believe terrorist did this on their own, then it's fine to assume that the people in place to stop it were incompetent or confused. But, if you believe Bush & Co. did it, then you MUST believe that there were hundreds of other government personnel in on the plan as well.

This is because of the scope of a lot of the conspiracies. The official story is that 19 terrorists (backed by who knows how many others outside of the country who financed them and planned the attack) flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon. So between all the people involved in planning it and financing it, it could easily be 100 people or more, who knows. They weren't in this country though, so it's a lot easier for them to get away with.

On the other hand, if there was indeed a missile that hit the Pentagon, explosives placed into the WTC, etc, this entails quite a few grunts to do the dirty work, plenty of people who planned it, and all the higher-ups who approved it. Even if this was only 100 people, they all live in this country. They've all heard the conspiracy theories and whatnot, and they're supposed to all keep quiet about it? Like they wouldn't stand to make millions from selling their story? They were treasonous enough to be complicit in killing thousands of their countrymen, but they wouldn't sell out for a book deal?

Besides the physical evidence supporting it, it's so much easier to believe that a group of people on the other side of the planet who have professed their hatred for us many times (as well as admitting to planning these attacks) attacked us. The idea that there are even 50 (a pretty low number) Americans who would know about a conspiracy and be able to keep quiet about it seems pretty ridiculous.
 
2007-04-11 03:16:15 PM  
FTFA:Those who actively promote the idea, though, are more than mere laughable loons. They bear resemblance to another particularly virulent conspiracy nut -- the Holocaust denier.

It may be coincidence that O'Donnell's 9/11 denial has manifested itself in such close proximity to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "Holocaust conference" of last December, but she sounds a lot like many of its participants.

Both profess interest in the pursuit of truth.


Wow. I didn't realize that Yahoo! news had gotten so deep into propaganda, too.
Big Brother reminds you: Truth is what we say it is.

/hasn't anyone taken farking Logic 101? Anyone?
 
2007-04-11 03:16:43 PM  
FritzyvonFritz:

Since we're playing hypothetical games here, a trial of the living perpetrators, including alleged mastermind KSM would have gone a long way for this patriot.

Difficulty: No National Security classification of evidence BS. The government would have to lay its cards on the table.

Unfortunately, it didn't happen. Instead, this CRIME was conveniently converted to an act of WAR, which has NO requirements for rules of evidence, prosecutorial procedure, etc. Nevermind that the alleged perpetrator of the "ACT of WAR" was not a nation, but a shadowy group of individuals, financed by drug and oil money.

But instead, Khalid Sheik Mohammed never went to trial, and managed to confess anyway after years of solitary confinement and interrogation.
 
2007-04-11 03:16:56 PM  
Wow, the more I read of this, the more sick I get of people who know nothing of the applicable science claiming that the science "doesn't add up"

"but fires dont cause skyscrapes to collapse!"...

Fires fueled by a full commuter plane's tank of jet fuel do.

"But look at the perfect 45 degree 'cuts' on the steel support beams! That can't be natural"...

That's exactly how mechanical science predicts metal beams under compression break.

"But only the beams on the floors that were on fire would have been weakened! Why did the whole thing collapse?!"...

Once one floor collapses, the weight of every single floor above it comes down in freefall on the floor above it. Support beams can't break the fall of a multi-story building.

If you are going to come up with conspiracy theories, how about reading the official findings made by professional engineers and scientists first? Better yet, if you don't understand the science, how about sticking to pure reason. Here's an example to get you started: Someone flew airplanes into the buildings. This is undisputed fact. If the government was behind it, why would they bother performing an incredibly infeasible and covert demolition of the building to cause it to collapse? Don't you think the horror of two passenger-laden commuter airplanes being flown at speed into a pair of inhabited skyscrapers would generate sufficient outrage to get whatever point they were trying to make across?
 
2007-04-11 03:17:38 PM  
Faethe

Yeah and they got a great big list of possible who's
A really general something with planes among a thousand other hows

And JACK SHIAT on when and where

You're right I would've sounded the alarm

I surrender...Farking ridiculous
 
2007-04-11 03:17:39 PM  
I really wish I could contribute more to this thread than my repeated assertion that Rosie is fat, ugly and stupid, but regrettably I am so fixated on her girth, grotesque features and dearth of intellect that I am incapable of espousing a credible viewpoint on this 9/11 matter.
 
2007-04-11 03:17:53 PM  
The term "pull it" in the fire fighters world meens


1. Stop rescue operations. Past point of possible rescue of survivor


2. Stop fire fighting attempt... Past point of saving structure, or imminent collapse of structure
 
2007-04-11 03:18:00 PM  
Where are the positive gains for the Bush admin.?

OH yes, the Bush administration has only been held back from total domination by the actions of you brave truthers.

I'm convinced there must be a "critical thinking" gene, and somehow people like the truthers have theirs turned off. . .
 
2007-04-11 03:18:08 PM  
The US economy was wrecked by 9/11?

we had to bail out the airlines, the stock market dropped 1400 points, stocks lost $1.4 trillion in value, pension funds lost huge amounts of investments, the tourist industry suffered from lack of travel, insurance companies took a hit, manhattan took a huge hit, etc. it took a couple years to recover.
 
2007-04-11 03:18:31 PM  
A recent poll from the Scripps Research Center found that more than a third of Americans believe that 9/11 was an "inside job.

A recent study found half -- in fact, exactly half -- of Americans have less than average intelligence.
 
2007-04-11 03:18:52 PM  
elchip: CHENEY: No, Dick, we won't.

???
 
2007-04-11 03:19:42 PM  
albo: we had to bail out the airlines, the stock market dropped 1400 points, stocks lost $1.4 trillion in value, pension funds lost huge amounts of investments, the tourist industry suffered from lack of travel, insurance companies took a hit, manhattan took a huge hit, etc. it took a couple years to recover.

was that because of 9/11 or the American peoples childish response to 9/11?
 
2007-04-11 03:19:46 PM  
Paedophile_Deluxe: Besides the physical evidence supporting it, it's so much easier to believe that a group of people on the other side of the planet who have professed their hatred for us many times (as well as admitting to planning these attacks) attacked us. The idea that there are even 50 (a pretty low number) Americans who would know about a conspiracy and be able to keep quiet about it seems pretty ridiculous.

Strom Thurmond kept his second family a secret for like 80 years. THAT shiat amazed me :D
 
2007-04-11 03:20:06 PM  
DaseinDada It's a conspiracy by yahoo to discredit their own argument by throwing the holocaust in there for good measure?

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. On the other hand, the holocaust IS a testing ground to see how much you can limit free speech and still have the people believe that they are free to say what they want.

I believe the holocaust happened. But jesus H christ, talk about a STRAWMAN.
 
2007-04-11 03:20:47 PM  
Can anyone explain why WTC building 7 was reported by the BBC as down, when the building is clearly in sight behind the BBC reporter?

I don't think 9/11 was an "inside" job, I do believe the government is not telling us a lot of things about it. Like why we aren't sanctioning Saudi Arabia, why WTC 7 went down, and why we are in Iraq when it was the Taliban/Saudis who were responsible for 9/11.

I think the Bush Administration convenienty looked the other way on a lot of stuff- like flying the Bin Ladin family out of the US during the air travel ban.

9/11 was a tragedy and it is too bad our President seized upon it to push the PNAC agenda. If you don't know what PNAC is freepers, just look it up.
 
2007-04-11 03:21:16 PM  
""2007-04-11 02:39:06 PM Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Ok, ok, you got us, truthers. We admit it. It was us, the Jews. We destroyed the Towers.

What do you expect? We killed Jesus, after all. And we'd do it again.""

Hey Tatsuma....thanks for being an honest katsas and finally coming clean. Now can you get your buddy Sivan Kurzberg to do the same? Thanks.
 
2007-04-11 03:21:41 PM  
danielsan1701: ???

Yeah, typo.

iaazathot: Can anyone explain why WTC building 7 was reported by the BBC as down, when the building is clearly in sight behind the BBC reporter?

I already did.
 
2007-04-11 03:22:14 PM  
Can anyone explain why WTC building 7 was reported by the BBC as down, when the building is clearly in sight behind the BBC reporter?

look upthread. it's explained by the BBC

was that because of 9/11 or the American peoples childish response to 9/11?

that's a repulsive thing to say. you should be ashamed
 
2007-04-11 03:22:19 PM  
epoc_tnac, thank you!
 
2007-04-11 03:23:28 PM  

I guess the thing to do now is to compile a list of all those people who worked in or around the WTC complex who might have had access, and who weren't killed but have now moved to other countries to evade questioning. Especially those with specific knowledge of metallurgy and controlled demolitions, and possibly doughnut sales.

When the time comes, I want to broker that book deal.

 
2007-04-11 03:23:50 PM  
Yamagoo: Yeah and they got a great big list of possible who's
A really general something with planes among a thousand other hows

And JACK SHIAT on when and where

You're right I would've sounded the alarm

I surrender...Farking ridiculous


I agree with you - the stuff that was coming in, from what I read, was sketchy. This is the issue - we have a great many people in many different agencies that are paid quite well to know the difference between sketchy, and not sketchy. In 2001, ALL our intelligence agencies were then, and for years before, in a farking funding war that went like this:

I am not going to tell you shiat unless I get credit

Nuh uh. Well fine,fark you to. There's a terrorist in your underwear

**checks** that's not funny

Yes it is

No its not


***BOOM***

Oh farksomeoneisgettingfired....
 
2007-04-11 03:23:57 PM  
2007-04-11 03:13:58 PM Yamagoo
2007-04-11 03:13:26 PM elchip
2007-04-11 03:08:04 PM mikaloyd


And others...

I see that no matter WHAT the inconsistency you all are more than willing to mount a defense for the administration. So, please answer the question that probably bothers me the most.

Why did George W. Bush and Dick Cheney refuse to testify, under oath, in the case of the worst terrorist attack ever on American soil?

We all know their supposed account of what happend because you all seem to have a GREAT idea of what they knew and how they responded even though they never publically answered questions about the attack. They're allowing YOU all to tell their story for them. If you pooled the comments of all of the Non-conspiracy folks you'd see how many different justifications, excuses, and just plain bullshiat reasons have been given for these various 'coincidences'. PLease, other than the ridiculous, 'they didn;t want you to know they dropped the ball' argument that you all try to use. You can't use that one because the administration blames it all on intelligence failures and you all use that argument as well. If they were going about their presidential business when this totally unexpected catastrophe occured, why couldn't they tell that to the investigators under oath?
 
2007-04-11 03:24:12 PM  
Headso
was that because of 9/11 or the American peoples childish response to 9/11?

Because of 9/11. No childish response (apart from yours and those like you), but there were an awful lot of financial records, company executives, plans, and activities going on in the WTFC that abruptly came to a halt that day. And if you think losing confidence in air travel for a time after an attack like that is "childish," then I might suggest you never become a rape counselor.

Rape victim: "I have trouble trusting men, I'm working on getting better, but I still remember trusting him and he hurt me."
Probable Headso: "biatch, please. What you need is a good deep dicking. Bend over now, and don't make me hurt you."
 
2007-04-11 03:24:20 PM  
And why should I care what a fat washed up TV personality thinks of 911.

Just trying to get extra exposure for sure.
 
2007-04-11 03:24:30 PM  
Faethe

I graduated high school that year and spent most of the summer drinking. I was hungover when the attack happened and a friend of mine woke me up. I remember seeing footage of the F15s, but I don't remember it clearly. I read after the fact that they got there just in time to watch the plane hit the second tower.
 
2007-04-11 03:25:28 PM  
Boojum2K: "We deposed him, for our own good reasons, but they did not involve a physical attack on the U.S. Khalid Sheik Mohammed was linked through overwhelming evidence to 9/11 long before he confessed."

Nice. The government attacks Panama, but does not declare war. It then tries Noriega in Florida for I forget what.)No longer returning Poppy Bush's calls?) And then, the government declares 9-11 an "act of war", and now can do whatever it wants to whomever it wants, evidence and habeas corpus be damned. This in spite of the fact that NO NATION ATTACKED THE US. AL QAEDA IS NOT A NATION. If anything, it is a criminal gang.

Sorry you seem eager to support the destruction of liberty in America....
 
2007-04-11 03:25:33 PM  
Why did George W. Bush and Dick Cheney refuse to testify, under oath, in the case of the worst terrorist attack ever on American soil?

There was no need, because we already know what happened.

Funnily enough Tony Blair vetoed an independent inquiry into the London bombings for the same reason.
 
2007-04-11 03:25:45 PM  
Anyway, personally, I blame Corey Lidle.
 
2007-04-11 03:25:48 PM  
Fire needs more fuel.
alkali.colug.org
 
2007-04-11 03:26:37 PM  
Two jumbo jets filled with jet fuel slammed into tall, relatively skinny buildings at 300-600 MPH. Did you expect the planes to bounce off?
 
2007-04-11 03:26:40 PM  
iaazathot: Can anyone explain why WTC building 7 was reported by the BBC as down, when the building is clearly in sight behind the BBC reporter?

Because the BBC is a racist agency that thinks all buildings look alike.

Observatory: Hey Tatsuma....thanks for being an honest katsas and finally coming clean. Now can you get your buddy Sivan Kurzberg to do the same? Thanks.

The thread should have been over, right there.
 
2007-04-11 03:26:41 PM  
More conspiracy theory fodder:

"And I like how you're trying to distort the position again. No one said "fire" could not melt steel. What the experts said is that the fire in the building was not sufficiently HOT ENOUGH to melt the steel."

Guess what? It doesn't have to melt to break. It has the weight of all the floors above it to carry, and at about just 600 degrees F, the capacity of the steel beams to carry that load is diminished to 50%. Then there's the structural damage caused by a large jet flying into a building at hundreds of miles per hour.
 
2007-04-11 03:26:57 PM  
I love the argument "If bush knew, then why would he be in a class room with a stupid look on his face when it was hitting. Why not be close to NY to get in photo ops quickly?"
 
2007-04-11 03:27:35 PM  
Boojum2k: Because of 9/11. No childish response (apart from yours and those like you), but there were an awful lot of financial records, company executives, plans, and activities going on in the WTFC that abruptly came to a halt that day.


so a couple buildings being destroyed results in that much damage to our economy? I didn't know our national economy was fragile.
 
2007-04-11 03:28:17 PM  
robogun



A recent study found half -- in fact, exactly half -- of Americans have less than average intelligence.


Really? and how many have exactly average intelligence? I swear, you people and your math. This is why the CPI is never getting fixed...
 
2007-04-11 03:28:44 PM  
Mr.Churka: I graduated high school that year and spent most of the summer drinking. I was hungover when the attack happened and a friend of mine woke me up. I remember seeing footage of the F15s, but I don't remember it clearly. I read after the fact that they got there just in time to watch the plane hit the second tower.

farking awful :(

I never want to remember that shiat. That was room 101 - hello! You are screwed, day.
 
2007-04-11 03:28:46 PM  
Headso

now you know!
 
2007-04-11 03:29:08 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND

Why did George W. Bush and Dick Cheney refuse to testify, under oath, in the case of the worst terrorist attack ever on American soil?

It probably had less to do about a conspiracy than it did with the aftermath, second guessing, procedures, etc. If they were part of a conspiracy, they probably wouldn't think twice about testifying under oath and lying through their fangs. Just a guess.
 
2007-04-11 03:29:11 PM  
Faethe: Strom Thurmond kept his second family a secret for like 80 years. THAT shiat amazed me :D

True, but it's not like his family was paraded around on TV with an alternate story that they were actually Andy Griffith's children.
 
2007-04-11 03:29:24 PM  
Sorry you seem eager to support the destruction of liberty in America....

crypto, you are nuttier than a Planters warehouse and right about as often as a NASCAR race route. I mean seriously.
 
2007-04-11 03:30:20 PM  
BURN HER ANYWAY!
 
2007-04-11 03:30:22 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND

Are you ready for the "we shouldn't have to" argument? It's a comin'
 
2007-04-11 03:30:38 PM  
Was the gummint behind these plots in 2000 and 1995 as well or did these give the gummint the idea to conspire with Al Qaeda?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_millennium_attack_plots


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Bojinka
 
2007-04-11 03:31:23 PM  
Pimple I love the argument "If bush knew, then why would he be in a class room with a stupid look on his face when it was hitting. Why not be close to NY to get in photo ops quickly?"

Thats actually a pretty good argument. What the hell was THAT all about? How come secret services whipped Cheney away into his undisclosed location immediately, yet Bush was left gawping like a yokel in front of the cameras for what... 10-15 minutes? HELLO, THE COUNTRY IS UNDER ATTACK?

This was obviously explained in the 9/11 commission report though, because that report explained absolutely everything and there are no more questions to be asked, ever.
 
2007-04-11 03:31:40 PM  
a wonderful FAQ about different conspiracy theories and how they are debunked by the NIST 3 year investigation

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
 
2007-04-11 03:32:35 PM  
I can't be certain, but the name cryptozoophiliac implies one who enjoys studying mysterious, undiscovered creatures such as the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot.

Not that that should affect his credibility on 9/11 stuff. Just adding a little etymology to the discussion.
 
2007-04-11 03:32:40 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND

Why no testify?
National Security!

silly rabbit
 
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